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\nI have a friend who works for BC/BS and right now he is training indians they have brought here. Basically training him so they can go back and work for 1/5th the amount. (And then my friend loses his job).\r\n | \r\n
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\n \nMy BC/BS plan is a high deductible of $5000, to keep my premium reasonable. This is the second year of my life that I had to depend upon health insurance. It seems that health issues, requiring mainstream meds, have become a priority this year. I have already exceeded the deductible this year. So obviously I needed health insurance. \n \nBiggest problem for me, is that the new national health reform left out the possibility for me to buy insurance out of state. This was done to appease the party of NO, but they did not vote for the bill anyway. I was not looking for a hand-out, like a public option. I just want more competition. \n \nSince there is no competition, the pharmaceuticals and the health insurance companies hold all the cards and holds all the politicians. That includes all political parties.\r\n \r\n __________________ \r\n <!-' + '- / sig -' + '->\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n - \n- Jim \nLife is just one damned thing after another - Elbert Hubbard \n \n\r\n | \r\n
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\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Blue Cross Blue Shield Lawsuit\r\n \r\n \r\n <!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n I\'ve been reading into this investigation on Blue Cross Blue Shield and they have been making deals with hospitals in a number of states that violates antitrust laws. They were making deals with more than half of the hospitals in Michigan to assure that the rates through BCBS were the best around. In doing so, they forced smaller insurers to hike up their rates making us pay top dollar for our insurance! This just isn\'t fair at all! I hope the investigation works in favor of the consumer!\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n | \r\n
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\n \nIn their video, they use a white powder to regrow every body part. They use old printers to dispense the stuff that grows bladders, heart values, kidneys and even the doctor\'s finger. \n \nMannatech research is now 17 years old and they keep adding the products that have ingredients like you and others who have knowledge on the body talk about. \n \nPeople can find these items as they are on the label but they need to make sure they are plant based predigested and add the inner lining of aloe and the middle to get the results. (Must not cut aloe except every four hours) If they really have issues, they need to add every four hours as aloe only works about four hours once cut. \n \nNow that I know from experience that people can live solely on these products, if I have the money one day, I will open a place that people come for eight weeks and dispense only their products with water that I can\'t explain right now. \n \nIt was a wake up call but even my uncle who had nueropathy and they show 3 strokes is back to work with my son and he is mid seventy. One by one he is off almost every drug as this seems to be very important for the cells to regenerate. \n \nI am also watching close about the FDA and Pharma trying to stop them through people in Texas who get their political money through pharma. Sure hope people see through Rick Perry too. \n \nI can\'t work it as a job but I helped a few people who did and much of my products are paid for which can help someone on a fixed income. I also do not try to work with anyone outside my area as they won\'t stay the course. I tell them to ask around their area. Otherwise they detox and say they are allergic to the products especially if they really have issues with chemicals. Say a beautician or mechanic. \n \nI am also working with a six month old baby who could not gain weight. I had her Mom put her on the same stuff as my daughter and she is gaining 7-8 ozs a week. The doctors want to test her for down syndrome. They did open heart surgery and sent her home the same day.\r\n | \r\n
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Has anyone been following this? I can not believe what they have been doing to the competition! Forcing hospitals to raise rates and costing people coverage! The greed of these health insurance companies never ceases to amaze me. And now we are gonna HAVE to give them our money!?!
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