Dissolving Prostate Cancer With UltraSound

Iggy Dalrymple · � #1 � 07-09-2007, 09:04 AM

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Dissolving Prostate Cancer

DURHAM, N.C. (Ivanhoe Broadcast News) -- For decades, ultrasounds have been used to determine the sex, size, and vitality of unborn children. Now, the same technology is being used to stop prostate cancer in its tracks.

You can usually tell whether Blaise Kielar is having a good day by the type of music he plays. The owner of the world�s only electric violin shop used his music as his primary means of escape when he learned he had prostate cancer.

�If you�ve got it in your mind that you�re having a good time, being expressive, I think everything works better,� Kielar says.

Doctors treated his cancer with HIFU, or high intensity sound waves.

�HIFU is new and different, and it�s very focused,� says Cary Robertson, M.D., a urologist at the Duke University Medical Center in Durham, N.C.

According to Dr. Robertson, HIFU is like an ultrasound machine used on pregnant women except it creates sound waves that are much more powerful and focused. A probe sends ultrasound waves through a patient�s rectal wall. The waves are so hot and intense, they actually kill cancer cells.

�It is possible to exactly target where one wants to give heat,� says Dr. Robertson.

Kielar says he could relate to the sound waves used by HIFU. �I took the ultra sound wave from the company and basically kept dividing by two,� says Kielar. �I brought it down to the audible frequency range, and I determined it was an F sharp.�

Although HIFU is a non-invasive treatment for prostate cancer, it can cause sexual dysfunction, and some men may experience incontinence. It is widely used in Europe but is still in clinical trials in the U.S. The latest studies show that 80 percent of men remained cancer-free seven years after treatment. For Kielar, HIFU proved to be a painless success. Dissolving Prostate Cancer | Ivanhoe's Medical Breakthroughs

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dawna · � #2 � 05-03-2009, 06:33 AM

Here is the info for HIFU from England; they are way ahead of us...

www.utlltd.co.uk/hifu-cancer-treatment/hifuclinical-trials.html

www.hifucancertreatment.co.uk/hifu.html

https://www.utlltd.co.uk/hifu-cancer-treatment/high-intensity-focused-ultrasound.html

In England they have HIFU clinical trials at the Oxford Radcliffe Hospitals on bone, liver, kidney & pancreatic cancer.

Royal Marsden Hospital for the Institiute of Cancer Research also does HIFU, oh heck in Europe all health facilites do HIFU for cancer, in America we are ruled by the surgical & radiation industry, which stands to lose zillions when we change to ultrasound.

If Obama wants to lower the cost of health care--here it is!!!

Arrowwind09 · � #3 � 05-14-2009, 08:36 PM

Was searching around on HIFU and came across this site.
Pine Street Foundation | Review

Was watching news this evening about Farrah Fawcett and it sounded like she may have had this treatment on tumors in her liver while she was in Germany. They talked about a probe being inserted into the liver, into the tumor, which used a heat, that dissolved the tumor. Hard to be sure by the description they gave... I think she will be dying soon.

BigAl · � #4 � 05-15-2009, 12:37 PM

About 10 or so years ago our time I went to Duke University Hospital to see about being treated for prostate cancer with ultra sound but when they said I would also have to have radiation treatment as well I said, "Thanks but no thanks, period end of sentence."

dawna · � #5 � 05-17-2009, 12:32 AM

BigAl,
and it just isn't true that you would need radiation also, unless they were just doing clinical trials for salvage radiation, then you would need radiation prior to HIFU to join the trial, but in fact....HIFU has worked for thousands of men as a stand alone procedure.....and in England they are doing HIFU for kidney tumors...and then no kidney diayslis is needed (humm, how do you spell di..ala..sis)

Our insurance companies are run by the AMA, they also run Canada's insurance companies, that's one reason why we cannot get HIFU, believe it or not they don't want to lower the cost of medicine costs....a guy who was the head of a well known hospital in NY told me this. Insurance companes get paid off for sticking to what the American Medical Association tell them to do.

It's pathetic. he said their are cancer chemo drugs you can take at home for a penny on the dollar, but the insurance companies won't pay for them, so you must go get drip at the hospital for much more $$

But, if we announced there is a cure for cancer....just think of everything that would collapse...like Race for the Cure! etc. etc.

Farrah, I understand was only treated with herbs and diet in Germany, she had stem cell transplant in the USA lately, that's why she is so sick, but there's still hope. I don't think they put anything inside you to do HIFU (it was a probe up the backside that did HIFU on my husband's prostate), as it doesn't hurt the surrounding tissue, it's all done from outside. My corrupt mind tells me that even Europe is corrupted by our AMA, or we would cut them off from something....however HIFU is available everywhere in Europe, but you must ASK for HIFU....which means you must knw about it....and now one does, and then I write about it on cancer forums and I get deleted and banned.

If I go missing someday...you'll know why.

China is our great hope, don't think we will shut them up! and they are doing HIFU on all tumors everywhere with incredible success! If you read my links above you'll find how England is busy with trials on all kinds of cancer....yeah!

liverock · � #6 � 07-02-2009, 02:38 AM

Looks like the British National Health Service is considering using HIFU after a succesful trial as reported in British Journal of Cancer.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/me...cientists.html

Quote:

Prostate cancer treatment 'more successful than surgery', claim British scientists
A pioneering treatment for the UK's most common male cancer is more successful than surgery or radiotherapy, according to a landmark study by British scientists.

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Published: 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009

Prostate cancer is the country's most prevalent cancer among men, with 10,000 deaths among 35,000 cases each year, affecting a third of men over 50.
Traditional therapies are invasive and require overnight stays in hospital, with multiple visits for further treatment.

They also have significant and long-lasting side-affects that put many men off.

However, new research shows that intensive ultrasound therapy matches the 92 per cent cure rate of traditional treatments - but dramatically reduces side effects.

The technique is also much simpler, involving a one off visit, with sufferers walking out of the hospital hours later.
Furthermore, those who undergo ultrasound can return to normal life in just a week or two compared with up to six months for the other treatments.

The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, the NHS rationing body, which has previously considered the results of similar tests "uncertain", has pledged to consider the new evidence as it assesses the technique for use in the health service.

It currently remains in clinical trials, but the results were described as "excellent news" by cancer charities.

"This technique needs careful evaluation to make sure that it can produce the same results as the proven treatments for early prostate cancer," said Professor Peter Johnson, chief clinician at Cancer Research UK.
"If the treatment can be shown to have less side effects then that will be excellent news, but more research is needed to show this."

Ministers have been considering whether to introduce a nationwide screening programme for prostate cancer, after the largest study of its kind suggested that it could save lives.
However, experts have warned that the risks associated with traditional surgery to remove some slow growing tumours, which can include incontinence, outweigh the risks posed by the disease for many men.

If caught early enough then treatments such as radiotherapy and surgery can stop the spread of the cancer but the side-effects severely damage the quality of life of the patient.
Of men treated with surgery or radiotherapy, up to 20 per cent usually suffer incontinence and half have impotence.

Radiotherapy can also cause other side effects in up to one in five patients, including pain and bleeding.

The new technique, known as High Intensity Focused Ultrasound (Hifu), focuses powerful soundwaves on an area about a tenth of an inch across. It effectively boils cancerous cells to death, killing tumours, and is far less invasive.

In the trial of 172 men, carried out by the University College Hospital and the private Princess Grace Hospital, both in London, less than one per cent had incontinence, none had any bowel problems and around 35 per cent had impotence.
All the men in the study, published in the British Journal of Cancer, were day cases, with almost all discharged from hospital in an average of five hours.

Dr Hashim Ahmed, who ran the trial, said as the preliminary results suggest the lack of side effects and short hospital stay made it "clearly advantageous to men with prostate cancer".

He hoped that Nice, the rationing body, would seriously consider allowing it to be rolled out across the NHS.

Professor Karol Sikora, an expert in cancer treatment, said: �It is very encouraging that new approaches to prostate cancer are being sought. I think anything that can reduce side effects is a good thing.�
John Neate, chief executive of The Prostate Cancer Charity, said it was "promising" and could be a "third way" in the treatment of the disease although more research was needed.

"As HIFU is a new technology, that data does not yet exist and longer term trials are necessary, but these are promising results," he said.
A spokesman for NICE said: "We will consider every piece of new evidence to see if it has impact on the guidance."

dawna · � #7 � 07-02-2009, 04:53 PM

I posted what liverock posted above at healingwell.com and they erased it and I've been banned. It must be owned by the AMA, so if you go there know that you will just hear what the doctors have decided is most profitable.

Land of the Free....bah hum bug

Arrowwind09 · � #8 � 07-09-2009, 09:42 PM

So I tried putting a post about HIFU on the HealingWell.
Take a look. Don't mess with it with replies. Lets see how long it lasts.

https://ehealthforum.com/health/prost...u-t191083.html

part of the agreement to posting on this forum is not to post links to products, studies, doctors, etc.
Of course if you don't follow the rules you will get booted...like on any other forum.
We shall see.

A simple search on HIFU will bring all the info anyone would need and that's all the post really needs to do.

Arrowwind09 · � #9 � 07-10-2009, 06:18 AM

Six hours later and the post is still there. Someone replied to it and left a link to find a physician in the US that does HIFU. Lets see how long his post lasts. Meanwhile we now get to have access to this convenient map.

https://www.hifuphysician.com/

dawna · � #10 � 07-10-2009, 07:15 AM

That isn't healingwell forum, that's ehealth forum. Here's healingwell: https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35

Try the same post there.....

I see that the guy who booted me has "retired" today, so maybe there's hope for this place, his name is Purgatory, TC LasVegas is awful too. I complained to Peter, the owner, he still won't let me back in, shucks he can't read my posts--they've been erased!

Arrowwind09 · � #11 � 07-10-2009, 07:59 AM

Oh well, just spreading the word around.

Here it is on the dastardly forum. Lets see how long it lasts here:
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35

Arrowwind09 · � #12 � 07-10-2009, 08:05 AM

Again, Healingwell is a forum that does not permit the posting of studies or links so maybe that is why posts did not stay on it long. We shall see

dawna · � #13 � 07-10-2009, 08:16 AM

You said there are 12 doctor doing this in the USA, but they aren't doing it in the USA, they must leave the country.
They can only do it after radiation in the USA as a salvage treatment, then it's successful 85% of the time. uuhhh, why not use it first instead of radiation if it's so successful after wards?? eh??

They will find you here...as you used "Arrowwind".

Arrowwind09 · � #14 � 07-10-2009, 09:43 AM

Trouble is starting at the above forum. They will figure it out when they check where people are coming from to read the post. Oh well.

We should not wish prostate cancer on them should we. Their ignorance and closed mindedness will take them far ... but to where, who can say.

dawna · � #15 � 07-10-2009, 10:21 AM

A friend posted after one of my posts that he knew me and I wasn't a saleman....he was attacked and called names.

Thing is everytime the word HIFU is posted maybe someone will look into it. That's all I want is to tell people is exists and it is good.

All those guys have prostate cancer (or say they do), and I think they will remove you because you don't--you just say you know someone who had it. I posted that I had prostate cancer and was cured with HIFU and they accused me of advertising for the machine.......crazy, they just don't know about HIFU (or they work for surgeons and radiologists), Purgatory said Dr. Scionti doesn't exist....they over react. They cheat the public of valuable information.

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