\r\n \r\n Welcome to the forum diana1955. I can just say that a friend of mine, an elderly woman, found some relief from her fibro with Magnesium Malate (Source Naturals). Here\'s some older threads on the Marshall Protocol that may be helpful.
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\r\n \r\n Fibromyalgia is caused by fungus, not by bacteria, and antibiotics won\'t kill fungus, since most antibiotics are made from mold, which is a fungus.
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\r\n \r\n I have tried everything for this "fibromyalgia", ? triggered by back surgery.
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\nIn my four years + of research on this matter, the "Marshalls Protocol" makes the most sense to me, if fibro is caused by a "fungus", then why are so many people being treated with this protocol and are greatly improved, if not cured.
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\nTry researching Marshalls Protocol, it is a series of antibiotics, low Vit D, as this study states the "bug" thrives off the Vit D receptor, btw, my D level was 11, now taking Rx Vit D, 50,000 IU every 3 weeks, that explains to me why i feel worse.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Indeed no human should take the plant form of vitamin d.
\nThe case against vitamin D2 explains how D2 speed up the use of Vitamin D so you end up worse than ever.
\nChange to D3 and you stand a chance of improvement.
\nBut please don\'t base your experience of using the LEAST EFFECTIVE, LEAST SAFE, SHORTEST LASTING, MOST EXPENSIVE form of vitamin D as any reflection on how you would feel after using the NATURAL HUMAN FORM vitamin D3.
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\nThe Marshall Protocol and other fairy tales
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\nBy the way 50,000 IU every 3 weeks is a totally useless way of taking vitamin d.
\nJust open you eyes and look at the graph
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\nWhat is your position 21 days after taking 50,000iu of D2.
\nARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN WHEN YOU STARTED OR WORSE OFF?
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\nIF YOU KEEP ON GETTING WORSE OFF THAN WORSE OFF WHEN WILL IT STOP.
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\r\n \r\n My, but we all have our own theories on this: So here is mine! Fibromyalgia is a generic term used by MDs for an autoimmine disorder they do not understand.
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\r\n \r\n Yes but we do have to apply a modicum of common sense.
\n50,000iu/d2 over 21 days = 2 380iu daily.
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\nGranted this is the plant form and not the human form and so generally does more harm than good, if it\'s absorbed, and used but assuming (erroneously) that is as good why would anyone with any common sense think that taking half the average humans daily requirement will correct a vitamin deficiency scenario.?
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\nIf you are in debt and have to get into financial surplus surely EVERYONE has sufficient common sense to understand that you have to earn more than you are spending daily to even start to accumulate sufficient savings to pay off the debt.
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\nTo begin to store vitamin D you have to be above 40ng/ml.
\nTo have adequate stores requires 60ng/ml+
\nRoughly 6000iu/daily will be required maybe up to 10,000iu/d.
\nTaking less than half the daily average needs and expecting that to correct your deficit is as plain stupid as thinking that if you continue to spend twice what you earn you will save huge amounts of money.
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\nIt so contrary to the basic principles of common sense that it beggars belief that any doctor should think otherwise.
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\nBut in practice D2 speeds up the catabolism of VITAMIN D and sets people on an ever increasing spiral of escalating vitamin D consumption.
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\nThis should not be taken as being in any way contrary to saved1986\'s sensible suggestions though I think Heliobacter pylori is a likely candidate for FMS.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I would try treating for Lyme Disease before you come to the conclusion you have Fibromyalgia.
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\nTry a natural antibiotic such as Cumanda or Samento from Nutramedix. You have a good chance at finding out that way. If you feel like you have been run over by a truck, when using it, you will be about 90% positive you have Lyme Disease.
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\nLyme often attacks after an injury or a surgical procedure such as you described.
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\nYou cannot go by a negative Lyme test. they simply are not accurate enough.
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\nI would not use the Marshall Protocol unless it is your last resort.
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\r\n \r\n But it is still the case that Vitamin D deficiency is frequently seen in patients diagnosed as fibromyalgia and nonspecific musculoskeletal pain in our population. Although the sample size of the study is small, but the figures are so alarming that it is an eye opener towards the need of a population based study, including normal population as well as those presenting with musculoskeletal pain.
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\nIf you make another new hole in the bucket every day the water will run out faster and you will be able to run faster and get more water.
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\nIf that\'s too complicated try this analogy.
\nIf you have a hole in you pocket and you put money in, the larger the hole the more likely it is you will lose the money you put in the pocket.
\nIf every day the hole gets bigger then the chances of ever saving any money gets smaller.
\nSo we have a person with serious vitamin D deficiency.
\nShe takes the form of vitamin D that speeds up the loss of vitamin D.
\nWill the deficiency get cured or become worse?
\nHow can you correct vitamin D deficiency with the form of vitamin D that accelerates it\'s catabolism any more than you can fetch water with a bucket that has more holes every day or save money in pants pockets that have bigger holes every day.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n i have been doing all of that plus for several years.
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\r\n \r\n Most diseases are caused by pathogens. There are certainly many co-factors that also contribute.
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\nI agree with your doctor that a pathogen is behind the disease, but finding that pathogen can be a daunting task.
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\nWhen you do not know what pathogen is causing a problem, you basically have two choices. You either use a broad spectrum method of killing the unknown pathogen. MMS works for many pathogens, but not all of them. It has resolved many unknown conditions when nothing else would. I use this to directly kill pathogens that I cannot identify.
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\nYou could also use Ozone which is similar in that it is an oxidizing treatment.
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\nThe other method is to boost the immune system which often is dampened by the pathogen, or multiple pathogens. I use Low Dose Naltrexone for this very reason. I do not know all of the pathogens involved with my disease, but I know there are more than one. LDN lets my immune system decide what to get rid of, and it gives it the boost to do it.
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\nAnother low risk thing you can try is standardized Rhodiola Rosea. This has helped some with similar problems. It also increases immune response to a degree. If nothing else it can help with fatigue and depression related problems.
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\nAny or all of these can help, and I have used all of them except Ozone.
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\nI would use all of them before I would consider the Marshall Protocol.
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\r\n \r\n What you wrote was
\r\nI\'ve shown you the science explaining why it is that RX Vitamin D 50,000iu every 3 weeks inevitably speeds up the rate at which your body consumes vitamin D.
\r\nIf instead of using the Rx form of Vitamin D2 ERGOCALCIFEROL you used the HUMAN form of the vitamin D3 cholecalciferol EACH month would see an INCREASE in 25(OH)D and eventually your levels would reach the NATURAL level HUMAN DNA evolved to work best with.
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\r\nTopping up your vitamin D tank Dr Davis finds his patients generally take 10,000iu/daily of D3 in an oil gel cap form for 3 years before they reach 60~70ng/ml and he is able to reduce their daily intake to 8000iu.
\r\nBear in mind fullbody non burning sun exposure naturally creates 10-20,000iu in a few minutes so Dr Davis is merely replacing what happens naturally with a form of vitamin D that is bio identical to the form human skin naturally creates.
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\r\nIt is misleading to other readers for you to claim you have been doing all that when you still have a vitamin D level that clearly indicates deficiency status. This is a NATURAL MEDICINE FORUM and NATURAL means replicating as near as possible the forms of micronutrients human bodies naturally synthesise.
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\r\nUsing Rx vitamin D2 is NOT NATURAL, humans don\'t NATURALLY make D2 and that is why some people, like you and the people in the research I\'ve linked to, clearly can\'t handle it and don\'t respond to it.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n It is not my intention to "mislead" anyone, I am not a scientist, I am a 55 yr.old female who has worked in the medical field for 30 years.
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\nWith skin cancer on my face, i was told to "stay out of the sun", that was before the diagnosis of FM, and the years previous i did not "doctor", my gallbladder was removed when i was 15, then several years of of "misdiagnosis", I was thin, sickly,jaundiced, as i had a stone in the intrahepatic duct of my liver.
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\nI am wheat free, gluten free, dairy free, egg free, citrus free as now i have developed many food intolerances, said to be typical of FM.
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\nI have tried red clover combination, ginger, fresh fruits, vegtables, lean meat, {if any,} bake my own gluten free breads, green tea, as I try to stay as alkaline as possible as this makes me feel better.
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\nCod liver oil just didn\'t fly with me, so I at least get unproteced sunlight every chance I get, reguardless of "doctors" orders.
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\nMy foods of choice are home cooked, not canned or processed.
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\nIgnorance in my mind is "not bliss", I find it sad that my M.D. {good man} and my Rheumatologist {good man} as you put it, are in fact making my condition worse with there dosing of Vit.D, are they truly that lacking in knowledge of their profession???
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\nI only drink almond milk, enriched with "vit d" and calcium as i can not tolerate dairy.
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\nIf this is not considered "natural", with the exception of a prescribed Rx of Vit.D which comes from the pharmacy, and a low dose antibiotic prescribed by my Rheumatologist for anti-inflammatory effect, as I am not able to take asa in any form, then I am at a loss.
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\nI was truly looking for help, instead you have bombarded me scientific formulas that have seemed to be an insult to my IQ and really are of no use to me. I shall "spare" my doctors this "information", but I still may present them with Marshalls Protocol, thank you for your input.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n This is a forum for discussing what we know or what we have seen or read. You slam us, but your doctors have not done any better. Try and have patience and try some of the things people have presented for a few months first.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I, with CFS, too stayed out of the sun for several years thinking it was bad. Getting sun now as you do is good, but the problem is that you have to supplement in order to get your D levels back where they should be since if you were like me they got really low from not going in the sun or supplementing for the time that I did.
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\nTed was just trying to steer you away from D2 and take D3 instead.
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\nHe was just giving you the backup for his statements. You don\'t have to understand every scientific detail, I don\'t.
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\nIt can be scary finding out that the mainstream doctors don\'t know certain things about health often because they don\'t have time to research or do know but can\'t use them in their profession due to the rules they have to follow or get in trouble but hopefully you will keep searching and learning and get closer to helping yourself. We just want to help people.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Dianna, if you can do it, try a water fast (nothing but purified water) for 36 to 48 hrs.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Kind2creatures, your post to Diana is absolutely tops. It is without doubt very, very well put. I hope she sticks around. I am anxious to learn how the treatment offered would affect her condition.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I use Low Dose Naltrexone myself for Crohn\'s Disease. You will see, in the link provided, that it has already been used to treat your condition.
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\nIt is probably one of the safest treatments that exists for any autoimmune type disease.
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\nI also agree that a proper vitamin D level is important to maintain health, with one warning. If there is the possibility you have Lyme Disease, you have to be careful. For whatever reason, probably tied to Marshalls Theory in some way, people with Lyme do not respond to a lot of vitamin D in a positive way.
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\nI have seen this in my own wife, who has Lyme, and more recently in my sister in law which breaks out from D-3 supplements. She recently found out her past bout with Lyme Disease is not over with. She has symptoms again, and her odd response to D-3 was one tip off.
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\nOnce Lyme is reduced to a minimal level this negative response goes away, or at least it has for my wife. If a lot of sun exposure, or vitamin D supplements have a negative effect on you, it is highly likely it is Lyme that is causing it.
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\nTalking the middle road as it concerns the Marshall Theory, I did not supplement her D, nor with hold vitamin D from her, but let her natural level prevail. I just knew that having none, had risk, and supplementing or excess sun exposure had risk also. I am glad I made that decision in retrospect.
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\r\n \r\n I suffered with fibromyalgia for years. Doctors at Kaiser insisted it was psychosomatic and tried to get me on Neurontin, which I refused. I saw an ad from an upper cervical specific chiropractor near me. He\'s been treating me for nearly a year now and the improvement has been nothing short of miraculous! Less pain, less sick feeling, more energy. A regular chiropractor won\'t do. Not easy to find these specialists, but worth the effort. They use infrared thermography and X-rays to find the exact problem(s).\r\n

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\r\n \r\n One other possibility is really new. So new I have not even known about it for very long, and it is my specialty.
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\nI do not know if you have ever heard of Rife frequency treatments before, but it is basically the concept of using specific frequencies, to weaken or kill specific pathogens.
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\nI use it all the time for my wife\'s Lyme Disease. It is what brought her from having crippling Arthritis, mental problems, swollen ankles, to normal. It is how I came to use this method, but it is not limited to Lyme Disease. It originally was used for many conditions, although curing cancer is the one most people are aware of.
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\nThe technology is old, but it has only recently been clarified as to how it was used specifically, in the thirties, when it was invented. It is technical so I will not get into that part here, but we now can exactly duplicate his method of killing pathogens, which he could do, and verified quite thoroughly.
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\nThe drawback to this method has always been that you needed to know specifically what pathogen you were targeting, and a working frequency, as the frequency is very specific.
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\nNow that the workings of his machine are understood, a person can run a close duplicate machine that is made today, for two hours, and effectively treat every pathogen Rife ever worked with. Also many he did not, that lie within that range of frequencies. For instance, Lyme frequencies are in that range, although Rife never dealt with Lyme.
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\nThis is accomplished by sweeping through the range of frequencies slowly. I have the machine that can do this, and I have not even tried this yet.
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\nI would not suggest you buy this set up as this has never been done for your condition, and actually has not been done much at all yet, as it is a new method.
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\nWhat you could do is try find someone near you that already has the needed equipment, and that is willing to let you try it out. Some people will allow you to use it in there home or wherever it is. It fairly expensive stuff, so they will likely not let it leave their sight.
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\nIt is one option that might work, assuming there are pathogens behind this illness. I would be shocked if there were not more than one.
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\nIn any case, it would likely remove many pathogens that may not directly be responsible for your disease, but contribute to it.
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\nHow is that for cutting edge antique technology!
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\r\n \r\n There may well be numerous causes of fibromyalgia. However, Dr. Tom Gibson, the upper cervical chiropractor who\'s been treating me for almost a year, says that he\'s completely cured EVERY case of fibromyalgia he\'s worked on. Now, you might respond that of course he\'d say that, but he is truly an incredible doctor, the most concerned, caring doctor I\'ve ever dealt with. He\'s not just interested in my chiropractic problems, but has improved my overall health enormously. He\'s like a ray of sunshine in the blackness of my Kaiser medical care. It\'s too bad I\'ve had to spend thousands on top of my $764/mo Kaiser premium to get some relief. I\'ve just changed doctors at Kaiser again, so hopefully this new doctor will have a better attitude and be less incompetent than the previous ones have been. I\'ll do some checking into the Rife. I\'m always looking for ways to help myself and others.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I have run across a site that has a Chiropractor that uses this same method for Parkinson\'s Disease. Never tried it, but maybe worth a try.
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\r\n \r\n Dr. Gibson cures all sorts of problems with upper cervical adjustments. He actually specializes in migraines, but has great success with fibro, arthritis, sciatica, all sorts of chronic pain conditions, even multiple sclerosis. Says my diabetic neuropathy and hearing loss may also go away as my nervous system heals. He\'s in the Sacramento, CA area.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n But someone with a 25(OH)D of 11ng is VITAMIN D deficient and however clever Dr Gibson is the only way to cure vitamin D deficiency is with the human form of vitamin D3. You can ignore the obvious for as long as you want but the simplest, cheapest, most effective way of treating vitamin D3 deficiency as indicated by a 25(OH)D level of 11ng/ml is with vitamin d.
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\nAll that happens if you persist in making ever more extreme alternative suggestions is to bring natural medicine into disrepute by suggesting expensive treatments when the obvious way to correct a 11ng/ml vitamin d3 deficiency scenario is effective amounts of an effective form of vitamin D3.
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\nIn exactly the same way it is criminal negligence to provide a form of vitamin D that speeds up the rate at which vitamin D is metabolised it\'s also criminal negligence to ignore the fact that someone with a 25(OH)D level of 11ng/ml ~ 27.5nmol/l is seriously short of vitamin d3.
\nIt is indeed true that diabetic neuropathy and hearing loss are curable conditions that will show some improvement when the factors causing the inflammation that drives the neurodeneration are removed but when it is absolutely clear that someone is lacking the anti inflammatory properties of vitamin d3 the first, the simplest, the cheapest, the most effective, the safest, the most NATURAL way of correcting that deficiency is with the NATURAL human form of vitamin d3 CHOLECALCIFEROL orally in MCT oil based capsules or Biotech 50,000iu D3 or natural full body midday non burning sun exposure.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n You are assuming that bringing D levels up to normal will be the end of the problem. It may prevent many problems from occurring in the first place, but I have yet to witness a cure for anything, by bringing levels up to normal.
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\nOf course it would make sense to do this regardless, but if it does not resolve the problem, I would hope any person would methodically try the various suggestions until improvement is experienced. The options left are for the most part going to be alternative, since conventional treatments have not resolved the problem.
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\nTrial and error is really the only way to resolve a problem like this, in which no established successful treatment exists.
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\r\n \r\n The last 5 years have been a lot of "trial & error", not to mention a lot of down time.
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\nIf Rx vit d is of no use, what would u recommend and how much?
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\r\n \r\n Strange, I don\'t recall anything in my posts saying that upper cervical chiropractic will cure a Vitamin D deficiency! I was talking about my personal experiences with fibromyalgia. What do others think of Dr. Mercola\'s Vitamin D SPRAY which is taken sublingually? Is it more beneficial than other delivery systems?\r\n

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\r\n \r\n That is exactly my point. You have ignored the obvious factor that as is the case with MOST people with Fibromyalgia this thread is concerned with one individual with a vitamin D level around 11ng/ml DEFICIENCY STATUS.
\r\nSurely the priority for someone with such a deficiency status is to correct that deficiency ASP. Only when that deficiency is sorted would it be appropriate to investigate other avenues.
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\r\nWhile I do have a lot of time for Mercola and am prepared to contribute to his comments section from time to time I do think he overhypes some of his products.
\r\nI prefer the Country Life Vitamin D3 5000iu capsules that are in MCT oil. One advantage of these is that if you wanted it would be possible to bite the capsule and chomp it in your mouth to extract the MCT oil carrying the vitamin D3. You could then allow the vitamin d/ mct to absorb through the oral cavity if you felt (Crohn\'s/IBS) your digestive system was pretty crap and you were worried the D3 wouldn\'t be absorbed.
\r\nI don\'t think it\'s NECESSARILY a good thing for all vitamin d to be sourced externally (from skin) or internally )from food or orally through absorption from oral cavity.
\r\nI think we need to use ALL these methods as Vitamin D will directly affect bacteria whereever it contacts with them. So you need it on the skin surface (so you need some sun exposure, ideally full body as the skin least exposed previously makes most vitamin D3 and because that skin is soonest covered that vitamin d stands the best chance of NOT being degraded by UVA exposure (vitamin d on face and hands will generally be lost to degradation)
\r\nIf you just swallow a vitamin d capsule without chomping it in your mouth then you miss out on the antimicrobial actions on pathogenic bacteria in oral cavity. It\'s often the case that those bacteria causing trouble in the mouth, go on to cause trouble in the rest of the digestive system and invade the urinary tract as well.
\r\n It\'s one of the reasons why something like xylitol can improve health generally (because it reduces pathogenic bacteria) even though the intention is only to prevent tooth decay.
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\r\nNutrition and Alzheimer\'s disease: The detrimental role of a high carbohydrate diet
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\r\n The problem isn\'t just the carbohydrates it\'s the pro-inflammatory bacteria that feed on them that contribute to the inflammatory damage they cause both in the mouth and add to the inflammation/damage to the digestive system.
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\r\nI\'ve got nothing against Mercola\'s vitamin D3 spray except the price. I\'d rather people went for the cheapest option as that is most sustainable in the long run and vitamin d3 supplementation will ideally be required daily for as long as you live.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Thank you for the information!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I was tested for Vitamin D deficiency, apparently not what was/is causing my fibromyalgia. Kaiser just insisted it was psychosomatic and I continued to deteriorate until I was practically bedridden. Dr. Gibson has made enormous improvement. Here are other conditions that chiropractic may be able to help:
\nAllergies and Asthma
\nAnxiety and Phobias
\nArlthritis
\nArm Pain
\nAthletic injuries & car accidents
\nAttention Deficit Disorder
\nAutism
\nBack Pain
\nBed wetting
\nBell’s Palsy
\nBipolar Disorder
\nBladder Retention
\nBlindness/Visual Disorders
\nBlood Pressure
\nCancer
\nCarpal Tunnel Syndrome
\nCerebral Palsy
\nCervical Dystonia
\nChronic Fatigue Syndrome
\nChronic Pain
\nCirculation Problems
\nColic
\nConstipation
\nCrohn\'s Disease
\nDeafness
\nDegenerative Joint Disease
\nDepression
\nDiabetes
\nDifficulty Concentrating
\nDigestive Problems
\nDisc Disorders/Herniated Discs
\nDizziness
\nEar infections
\nEpilepsy/Seizures
\nEye infections
\nFemale Issues
\nFever
\nFibromyalgia
\nFrequent Colds/Infections/Cough/Flu
\nHay Fever
\nHeadaches (all types)
\nHead Injury/Traumatic Brain Injury
\nHerniated disk
\nHigh Blood Pressure
\nHip pain
\nHot Flashes
\nHyperactivity
\nImmune Function
\nIndigestion
\nInfantile Colic/Reflux
\nInfertility
\nInsomnia/Sleep Disorders
\nIrritable Bowel Syndrome/Ulcerative Colitis
\nKnee/ankle problems
\nLearning disabilities
\nMenstrual Disorders
\nMigraines
\nMultiple Sclerosis
\nMuscle spasms
\nNeck/Back Pain
\nNervousness
\nNeuralgia
\nNeuritis
\nNeuropathy
\nNumbness in arms and legs
\nOtitis Media
\nParkinson\'s Disease
\nPoor vision
\nRestlessness
\nRheumatoid Arthritis
\nSciatica
\nScoliosis
\nShoulder Pain
\nSinus Problems
\nSleep apnea/sleep problems
\nSore throat
\nSpinal Allignment/Cervical Curve
\nStress
\nTemporomandibular Joint
\nTendonitis
\nThyroid Disorders
\nTight Muscles
\nTingling sensations
\nT.J.M./Jaw Problems
\nTorticollis
\nTourett’s Syndrome
\nTrigeminal Neuralgia
\nVisceral Disorders
\nVertigo and Balance
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\r\n \r\n Again, Thank you! for all the replys. At this point, I am not sure what came first, the Vit. D deficency or the fibro,along with ALL the food intolerances I now have, I think wheat/gluten is causing a malabsortion problem, maybe thats why I am deficient in D.
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\r\n \r\n JanH, I take back what I said about it seeming doubtful that an upper cervical chiro could cure Fibromyalgia. Everyone is always saying that FMS & CFS are similar but just different symptoms, but they\'re not. They\'re two completely different things. I understand now that FMS can have one cause.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I can speak only for myself, but it\'s been miraculous the improvement in me. Not only are my pain levels about 85% improved since he\'s been treating me, but also I have a lot more energy and don\'t have that flu-like feeling nearly constantly. My headaches are gone as well as the vertigo. He\'s given me back my life, no kidding! I hope other fibro sufferers will at least consider chiropractic treatment.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n JanH, have you tried anything else that has worked at all, in conjunction with the chiro treatment? Minerals/nutrients, thyroid/adrenal/endocrine system, hormone balancing, digestive/intestinal, detox, stress reduction/rest, viral/pathogen killers, etc?\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Fibro is a constant balancing act between doing too little and too much. For me, staying in bed a fair amount of the time was essential to get through the few activities I did manage to do. Stress reduction is essential as there is nothing that set off super bad fibro pain like being particularly stressed over something. I still take a lot of supplements, but the ones that help the most seem to be Zyflamend, turmeric, glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM. When a joint (my knees, hips, right shoulder, and left elbow were the worst) was particularly bad, rubbing MSM cream into them helped. I buy mine from Blue Mountain Herbs. My thyroid is also weak so I supplement for that too. A good probiotic never hurts either. One thing I suggest is looking deeply into any possibly side effects of any prescription drugs you might take. I found that lisinopril was greatly adding to my pain, yet never once did my doctor at Kaiser suggest side effects. The side effects I was having weren\'t the most common ones, so they weren\'t listed on the info sheet, but when I went into the less common ones, I had every one, while my doctor insisted it was all just psychosomatic!!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Uh oh! I just closely checked the ingredients in the Blue Mountain Herbs\' MSM cream. Parabens!! Might want to order from someone else!\r\n

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