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\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n <!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n I agree with you Roxie that aluminum may not be the cause of Alzheimer\'s or MS. Could it be that in some people a certain type of inflammatory response in certain kind of tissues might hold aluminum? What was of most interest to me in the above article was the information about the test for aluminum and the reported treatment of BioSil, two ideas I had not heard of before. \r\n <!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n \r\nI might guess that the causes of Alzheimer\'s is not single but that multiple factors might be involved. I am quite drawn to the theories that there is a microbe involved, especially for MS as there are some reports of improvement for some people using colloidal silver or Rife treatments. \r\n \r\nAlzheimer\'s, in most cases of diagnosis, actually fails to have a definitive diagnostic procedure for individuals. Dementia can be caused by a number of factors and the old term, and the generally no longer used diagnostic term, Organic Brain Syndrome use to cover a whole host of dementia problems. Autopsy is the only procedure that allows for a firmly definitive diagnosis that I am aware of for Alzheimer\'s. \r\n \r\nIn our highly toxic world why could it not be that Alzheimer\'s is more of a syndrome than an actual specific disease? Can it just be the result on a lifetime of toxic onslaught? I wonder sometimes wonder if this disease is something made up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell drugs with. If you are diagnosed with Alzheimer\'s what is the definitive diagnostic test? They certainly have definitive and specified medications at a hefty price! Ever since diseases and approved treatments have been standardized by the ICD code system every condition must have a specific name and a routine or standardized treatment. This is one reason new diseases keep getting invented. \r\n \r\nArrow\r\n | \r\n
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\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n <!-' + '- icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n Calcium blocks aluminum absorption\r\n \r\n \r\n <!-' + '- / icon and title -' + '->\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message -' + '->\r\n \r\n \r\n The connection between calcium, aluminum, and sunlight are as follows: Higher latitudes=less UVB=less vitamin D = less calcium = more aluminum = less manganese, etc = cell problems = MS. This is the simple explanation, and of course there is more than one factor. Body chemistry is a complex chemical equation involving thousands of factors. Disease is multicausal. \r\n <!-' + '- / message -' + '->\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n <!-' + '- message, attachments, sig -' + '->\r\n\r\n \n \nAnother example is Zinc. Too much zinc causes excretion of manganese. Look at the effects of manganese deficiency. Ataxia is one of the effects, same as MS.\r\n | \r\n
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\r\n \r\nRaised levels of inflammation are probably a reflection of poor anti inflammatory reserves. For the past 60yrs the association between low vitamin D status and MS incidence and prognosis has regularly appeared in the published research. Nothing will be done to correct vitamin D deficiency either in people with MS or indeed in the general public basically because there is a lot more money to be made treating the condition than preventing it. We all know human skin creates 10,000#20,000iu given full body sun exposure but health professionals will try to keep D3 supplementation levels below the effective amount (5000iu/daily) for as long as they are allowed to get away with it. \r\nVitamin D is anti inflammatory AND reduces the number of MMP9\'s that actually cause the damage to the mylene sheath. Low vitamin D status is also associated with the poor cognitive function that becomes a feature of the development of both MS and Alzheimer\'s. \r\n \r\nDirest MS org has a list of recommended supplements here from which you can see Vitamin D, omega 3 and magnesium (all anti inflammatory) feature in effective amounts. Similar suggestions would also help those with Alzheimer\'s or wishing to prevent such a diagnosis.\r\n | \r\n
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\n \nI think the remission that some CCSVI treatments have provided is probably temporary (though much to be welcomed by those fortunate few) as it\'s only addressing the symptom but not the cause of blocked veins. Stenting arteries is only a temporary measure for many, The approach Dr Davis uses at Track your Plaque is solving the problem that causes the blockages. Those with MS/AD caused by poor blood flow through brain (and consequent build up of iron) need to understand what is causing the poor blood flow (hence links to Uprightdoctor) and work on strategies to improve that scenario. \n \nI think MS could be prevented and I think the progression of the condition may be slowed and I\'m sure that most people with MS would have greater muscle strength, less chronic pain and better cognitive function when Vitamin D status is improved so that they have a stored reserve of D3. \nBefore I learn\'t about the late effects of polio I was attributing my symptoms to being potentially MS as many of the symptoms of MS apply equally to PPS, so I\'ve been following the topic for many years. I don\'t think anyone who has had polio expects ever to be cured of the condition or cured of the late effects, I think the best we can hope for is to prevent further deterioration as best we can while doing our utmost to be as fit as our damaged bodies allow. \nWe know sufficient about the role of vitamin D for chronic pain not to suffer unnecessary pain. \n We can all improve our pain threshold, in the same way we can improve the ability of our skin to tolerate UV exposure.\r\n | \r\n
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Multiple Sclerosis - Aluminum toxicity?
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************************************************** **** Major Breakthrough in Multiple Sclerosis Research What if I told you that the cause of many multiple sclerosis cases is the same culprit that�s implicated in Alzheimer�s disease? Since both are brain diseases, it might not surprise you. But it might surprise you to find out that we�re all susceptible to it. For years, alternative doctors have suspected toxic metals as a cause of MS. Until now, we�ve primarily focused on mercury and iron as the primary suspects. Now we need to broaden our horizons. If you have MS, new research suggests aluminum might be the culprit! Keele University researchers in England have found very high levels of aluminum in the urine of MS patients. The levels were particularly high in the relapsing-remitting form of MS. The researchers also found lower levels off silicon excreted by MS patients. Silicon is a necessary mineral. It�s aluminum�s natural antagonist in your body. The implications of this study are tremendous. It indicates that MS could have a previously unrecognized environmental factor. And it also means there�s a simple treatment for it. If you have MS (or any brain illness), I recommend you take this article to your alternative doctor. He can give you a challenge test for aluminum. A good test is to receive an injection of the aluminum-binding drug deferroxamine (500 mg). You then collect your urine for 24 hours to measure for aluminum. The same drug is also an excellent chelator of iron. You also can remove aluminum with specific chelating agents. Silicon, which is very safe, is one of the best nutrients for doing so. My favorite brand is BioSil (orthosilicic acid). It�s available in most health food stores and on the Internet. Shop for the best price. I recommend you take six to 20 drops in half a cup of water per day. There�s no reason to have aluminum in your body. It has no known role and we know it�s toxic. Its presence in flu vaccines is associated with a heightened risk of dementia and Alzheimer�s! And now we know the metal plays a role in MS. Yours for better health and medical freedom, Robert Jay Rowen, MD Ref: Medical News Today, February 17, 2006. ************************************************** Second Opinion Health Alerts are a complimentary e-mail service from the Second Opinion health newsletter written by Robert J. Rowen, MD. |
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