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My father has declining kidney function (high creatine). Is there anything that reverses this? (I have read ginger root workks a little)
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Are his kidneys failing only due to high creatine? Or does he have diabetes, congestive heart failure, or an overuse of NSAIDs?

Uncontrolled high blood pressure, uric acid damage, infection, severe electrolyte imbalance, and medications are a few other problems that can be severe to the kidneys. I think excessive use of protein can affect the kidneys too.

Ginger does improve circulation, which will help to cleanse the bowels and kidneys.

Nettle leaf is one of the best kidney tonics; especially due to the vitamin C and silica, which strengthen the blood vessels and tubules in the kidneys.

Schisandra berry is also very good for the kidneys (and several other things as well). https://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_schisandra.htm

And don't forget water. Elderly people do not seem to drink enough water. That will help to flush the kidneys.

Meanwhile, I'm interested to know how creatine and damage the kidneys. I've taken that as a supplement off and on for several years. Mostly off. I take it with CoQ10.
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Vitamin d is protective in Chronic Kidney Disease
A 25(OH)D status above 42ng/ml is required for maximum Bone Mineral Density.
Cost price 25(OH)D testing by post

One daily until 25(OH)D is above 55ng/ml Although 42 ng/ml sorts BMD it doesn't provide a store of Vit d reserves so more is needed for people who are fighting a chronic condition.

Have a word with his doctors about possibly using Niacin
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Thanks guys. I looked at his blood test, Vit D 66 (was in the teens 4 -5 months ago before Vit D therapy).

His BUN is 30 and his Creatinine (sp?) is also elevated (I cannot remember the number). Right now I have him on crystallized ginger root and the shou wu chih drink. I am reading a book called modern miracle foods and it talks about asparagus also.
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Thanks guys. I looked at his blood test, Vit D 66 (was in the teens 4 -5 months ago before Vit D therapy).

His BUN is 30 and his Creatinine (sp?) is also elevated (I cannot remember the number). Right now I have him on crystallized ginger root and the shou wu chih drink. I am reading a book called modern miracle foods and it talks about asparagus also.
You don't say where you are from so I haven't a clue if that is 66ng/ml (in which case well done carry on doing what you are doing) or if you are talking about 66nmol/l in which case you need to take SIGNIFICANTLY MORE vitamin D3 sufficient to raise status to above 65ng/ml for someone with chronic illness.

There is a new piece of research out showing the form of vitamin D3 we previously thought of a precursor of the active form is indeed active in it's own right. So your current 25(OH)D status is important and anything below 40ng/ml 100nmol/l is DEFINITELY TOO LOW and these don't provide sufficient Vitamin D3 or 25(OH)D to do much good. Higher levels will be more effective so aim for at least 58ng/ml 145nmol/l as that is the natural primitive level at which human breast milk is replete with D3, surely a bio marker of sufficient status.

50,000iu/week will probably be required to keep 25(OH)D around the 60ng/ml mark but be aware that up to 10,000iu/daily is absolutely safe.
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Well done Ted. You have extraordinary up to date knowledge of Vit D. Are you on a vitD council or something that keeps you so knowledgeable?
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Well done Ted. You have extraordinary up to date knowledge of Vit D. Are you on a vitD council or something that keeps you so knowledgeable?
No just a nerd who has access to a medical library. I started reading about omega 3/vitamin d3 years ago and every week there is new stuff and new discoveries and it's just so exciting to be at the cutting edge of all this new information. There have been roughly 12 papers published every single day this year, I can't say I've read them all but i do read some of the newly published stuff where I can get it every day. Where I can't get it I email the author and ask if they have a authors copy to spare and most are delighted to attach a pdf. So I've a hard drive full of stuff that I can draw on as necessary.
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I found some infor from a naturaopathic publication. Vit D, Coenzyme Q (60 mg 3x a day) and essential fatty acids (I am assuming fish oil). I am trying all of these on my dad and he has another blood test in a month. He already is on the 50k D from the doc and I am giving supplemental D3 a few times a week. I have increased his fish oil. Other things I have found are dandelion greens (we will have to wait until summer), marshmallow tea, increased silica (horsetail tea) and pureed cooked asparagus.
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https://www.luckyvitamin.com/healthLi...03_07_17_1.cfm
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He already is on the 50k D from the doc and I am giving supplemental D3 a few times a week.
Getting vitamin D right
Rather than use the 50k the doctor prescribed which is almost certainly Vitamin D2 ERGOCALCIFEROL

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What this graph is showing is that ergocalciferol, (where it is absorbed in this case it clearly is being absorbed) tends to speed up the catabolism, (rate of depletion) of Vitamin D so it doesn't last as long so 25(OH)D levels are not rising or being maintained as high for as long.
With the 50k + a bit extra D3 total about 10,000iu/daily he should be up towards the 80's which is ideal for somone with chronic health problems.

If you look at this graph you see where most folks taking 10,000iu/daily end up and that is a healthier place to be if the system is being challenged.
Using Ergocacliferol Vitamin D2 is as daft as trying to fill the bath with the plug out.
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A significant proportion of patients with symptomatic and asymptomatic heart failure will undergo a rapid decline in kidney function over a period of approximately three years, even among those with relatively preserved baseline kidney function
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A significant proportion of patients with symptomatic and asymptomatic heart failure will undergo a rapid decline in kidney function over a period of approximately three years, even among those with relatively preserved baseline kidney function
Indeed that may be so but this post from Nephropal shows that improving Vitamin D status improves kidney function maybe only an extra 5-6% but in the circumstances it's a cheap move in the right direction.

We found that the highest levels of serum 25OHD were associated with a 43% reduction in cardiometabolic disorders

It's my view that doctors/health professionals who don't check 25(OH)D3 status and raise that promptly with effective amounts of Vitamin D3 will soon be having claims for negligence being made against them.
The amount of vitamin D3 required to raise status to the natural level our DNA evolved to work best with 60~80ng/ml is no secret.
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A significant proportion of patients with symptomatic and asymptomatic heart failure will undergo a rapid decline in kidney function over a period of approximately three years, even among those with relatively preserved baseline kidney function

He does have mild CHF
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Ted you are so optimistic! Doctors should have claims against them for not checking D3 levels but alas, no one has bothered to go after them for not supplementing with CoQ10 in cardiac disease. Tons of evidence out there on how it improves outcome in many many chronic disease, especially cardiac... but no suits yet, alas. Not only do they not give CoQ10 they give their cardiac patients medications that more rapidly depleat CoQ10 in the form of statin drugs hence pushing them faster off the cardiac cliff.

Best to watch out for oneself and supplement based on ones own knowledge than wait for them, or need to or think about sueing.
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This is becoming an interesting (and useful) thread. CoQ10 has been shown to reverse chronic kidney failure to a degree and it is also widely used in Japan for CHF. Maybe there is a correlation.

Ted, if increasing Vit D will increase his kidney efficiency 5 % and CoQ10 the same, that would be great. I will give you guys updates when he has his next blood test for creatinine and BUN
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