There are radical extremists everywhere in the world and especially within religions. They feed off of each other. The media and internet do not help. That preacher has had more than his share of exposure. What is it that these extremist want? Power? Popularity? Favor of God?
Ignorance abounds. Greed is uncontrolled.
DING DING DING We have a winner. Greed has destroyed this country. It is really sad that some MBA decides to move a profit making facility to china, so he can get a big bonus, while a few hundred people lose their livelihood.
Whooo hoooo look at all those American flags getting torched overseas by loving Muslims! Isn't it amazing how one nutjob can invoke such pandemonium?
But, the one thing we are touchy about is not having one's constitutional rights stomped on. And it IS the pastor's constitutional right to burn whatever book he wants. That being said, would it ever happen giving the consequences?
He'd be 'taken out' before he had a chance to light the match
It's pretty obvious by how shaken up he looks, he was 'talked' to. hahaha
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Whooo hoooo look at all those American flags getting torched overseas by loving Muslims! Isn't it amazing how one nutjob can invoke such pandemonium?
But, the one thing we are touchy about is not having one's constitutional rights stomped on. And it IS the pastor's constitutional right to burn whatever book he wants. That being said, would it ever happen giving the consequences?
He'd be 'taken out' before he had a chance to light the match
It's pretty obvious by how shaken up he looks, he was 'talked' to. hahaha
Hiya they normally burn an effigy of politicians or flags at the disgust of our foreign policy. They don't bring Christianity in to it normally - they have no reason to, its a pivotal part of their religion too. Lets face it, this war has been pants. Many many innocent people on both sides have died as a direct result. The war as had a knock on effect and many other events have happened as a result of it. i.e. 7/7 here in England. Kidnappings, beheadings...etc. George W Bush and Tony blair are war criminals I'm sorry to say. I gather the Irish egged him recently at his book signing. Anyway this whole event was just an attention seeking exercise, lets hope it quickly dissipates from the media and next time, they dont bother reporting it like they did. Thoughts should be with those who perished that day in September and their families.
Govt?????????? There is no govt! It is cabal of the ultra wealthy.
We do have a government but it is manipulated by a cabal of the ultra wealthy.
And yes �most people don't Want to believe Their Government could do such a horrible thing� but it is not really the government as such, rather those controlling it. While most people have no problem with the idea of a few corrupt politicians idea of a group of individuals so totally evil as to make the devil look like an ideal neighbor this is beyond comprehension.
Thus even when they see the imposable happening right before their eyes, like supposedly two planes flying into two buildings and then within minutes both building are reduced to powdery rubble, they cannot accept that this doesn�t make sense. Yet when the media comes out a short while latter telling us this was all the work of a few terrorists and here are their names this is somehow believable?
It appears that it is more comfortable to listen to a lie rather then look for the truth.
So this nut case has caused the incineration that has taken 6 lives so far.... he gets to wear that badge for the rest of his life....
I have been listening to the Sufi Islamic Imam on CNN this week. I did not realize that he was Sufi until then. I got to check him out on mainstream media while visiting my son. The Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf sounds like such a level headed man. They would like to make the center an inter-religious center where people from different groups can come together and work and worship. This was not the initial intent of the center but he feels that it would be of greater serivce than what was originally planned. This center is a mere two blocks from there home mosque, so they have a presence there already.
It is no wonder, he is a Sufi Muslim. Most people do not know what that is... they are the highest mystical order of the Islamic tradition.. and the teachings they focus on are different than mainstream Muslims. I am familiar with them to some extent. They endeavor to see the God in all things, in all ways, in all people. Some of the sects have disassociated themselves from traditional Islamic Muslims fully.
Now I am sure most of you realize the animosity between Jews and Muslims.. In one branch of the Sufi orders that are found in the US many practice the Jewish ceremony Shabbot on Friday evening.. They are a beautiful, open minded group, and generally very well educated.... different from the mainstream Muslim. More simiilar to Buddism, their goal is to find internal peace though the heart. They are esoteric, and basically seek enlightenment. They see that god has many names, and the word Allah is a representation for all the names of god found across the planet. They assert that there is only one god, with many names.
There are a number of different groups in the US. I certainly don't have a full and clear understanding of the development of sufism in the west and all the different Sufi sects. It is a growing path with a number of twists and turns. I have known a number of Sufis over the years from various different sects.
If this 2 block radius is such dam sacred ground they might do better ousting the strip clubs and other trash located in the vacinity that make a mockery of human life and potential, and sink the soul into delusion.
Quite a few muslims died in the 9/11 attach. Certainly many more percentage wise than found in the general population. Muslims have a very strong presence in NYC compared to other cities... I would assume that their grief is no less than any Christain or other.
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer Christopher Torchia, Associated Press Writer
ISTANBUL � About a week ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared to the United Nations that most people in the world believe the United States was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
To many people in the West, the statement was ludicrous, almost laughable if it weren't so incendiary. And surveys show that a majority of the world does not in fact believe that the U.S. orchestrated the attacks.
However, the belief persists strongly among a minority, even with U.S. allies like Turkey or in the U.S. itself. And it cannot be dismissed because it reflects a gulf in politics and perception, especially between the West and many Muslims.
"That theory might be true," said Ugur Tezer, a 48-year-old businessman who sells floor tiles in the Turkish capital, Ankara. "When I first heard about the attack I thought, 'Osama,' but then I thought the U.S. might have done it to suppress the rise of Muslims."
Compassion for the United States swept the globe right after the attacks, but conspiracy theories were circulating even then. It wasn't al-Qaida, they said, but the United States or Israel that downed the towers. Weeks after the strikes, at the United Nations, President George W. Bush urged the world not to tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories" that deflected blame from the culprits.
However, the subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan provided fodder for the damning claim that the U.S. killed its own citizens, supposedly to justify military action in the Middle East and to protect Israel. A 2006 survey by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found that significant majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan and Turkey � all among the most moderate nations in the Islamic world � said they did not believe Arabs carried out the attacks.
Two years later, a poll of 17 nations by WorldPublicOpinion.org, an international research project, found majorities in nine of them believed al-Qaida was behind the attacks. However, the U.S. government was blamed by 36 percent of Turks and 27 percent of Palestinians.
Such beliefs have currency even in the United States. In 2006, a Scripps Howard poll of 1,010 Americans found 36 percent thought it somewhat or very likely that U.S. officials either participated in the attacks or took no action to stop them.
Those who say the attacks might have been an "inside job" usually share antipathy toward the U.S. government, and often a maverick sensibility. Besides Ahmadinejad, high-profile doubters include Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Former Minnesota governor and pro wrestler Jesse Ventura has questioned the official account. Conspiracy theorists have heckled former President Bill Clinton and other prominent Americans during speeches.
Controversy over U.S. actions and policies, including the widely discredited assertions that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, reinforced the perceptions of conspiracy theorists. Iranians dug deeper into history, recalling the U.S.-backed coup in their country in 1953.
"Initially, I was doubtful about the conspiracy theories. But after seeing the events in later years, I don't have any doubt that it was their own operation to find a pretext to hit Muslim countries," said Shaikh Mushtaq Ahmed, a 58-year-old operations manager in a bank in Pakistan. "It's not a strange thing that they staged something like this in their own country to achieve a big objective."
In March, an editorial in The Washington Post harshly criticized Yukihisa Fujita, a lawmaker with the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, for saying in an interview that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers were alive and that shadowy forces with advance information about the plot played the stock market for profit. Fujita said the article contained factual errors.
The record shows that al-Qaida agents on a suicide mission hijacked four American passenger planes and crashed them into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 people. The evidence is immense: witness accounts, audio recordings, video and photographic documentation, exhaustive investigations and claims of responsibility by al-Qaida.
Yet every fact and official assertion only feeds into alternative views that become amplified on the Internet, some tinged with anti-Semitism because of the close U.S.-Israeli alliance. They theorize that a knowing U.S. government stood by as the plot unfolded, or that controlled demolitions destroyed the Twin Towers, and the Pentagon was hit by a missile.
"All this, of course, would require hundreds if not thousands of people to be in on the plot. It speaks volumes for the determination to believe something," said David Aaronovitch, the British author of "Voodoo Histories: the role of Conspiracy Theory in Modern History."
"This kind of theory really does have a big impact in the Middle East," he said. "It gets in the way of thinking seriously about the problems in the area and what should be done."
A U.S. State Department website devotes space to debunking conspiracy theories about Sept. 11, in the apparent belief that the allegations must be addressed forcefully rather than dismissed out of hand as the ruminations of a fringe group.
"Conspiracy theories exist in the realm of myth, where imaginations run wild, fears trump facts, and evidence is ignored. As a superpower, the United States is often cast as a villain in these dramas," the site says.
Tod Fletcher of Petaluma, California, has worked as an assistant to David Ray Griffin, a retired theology professor, on books that question the Sept. 11 record. He was cautious about the Iranian president's comments about conspiracy theories, suggesting Ahmadinejad may have been politically motivated by his enmity with the U.S. government.
"It seems like it's the sort of thing that could lead to further vilification of people who criticize the official account here in the United States," Fletcher said.
For a long time there were those who questioned the 9/11 attacks as being possibly US involved.
Remember all the questions/comments about Dubya's perceived reaction?
Then I wouldn't put it past them to have staged 9/11 as the Iranian President says.
Agree. Naturally one does not want to believe that the government would condone something like 911, still as more and more information keeps leaking out and logically watching the way these (three) buildings collapsed in a manner that couldn�t have been anything but a controlled demolition, it becomes hard to dismiss the obvious.
While great effort has been put forth to ridicule the skeptics as a bunch of conspiratorialists for me the real conspiracy is the official story.
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"All this, of course, would require hundreds if not thousands of people to be in on the plot.
Not necessarily so. On a smaller scale consider Bernie Madoff and his ponzi scam. Is it logical to assume that everyone that worked for his organization, right down to the janitor, knew that he was a fraud and con artist? Or were most just doing their job and total unaware of what was going on at the top?
Similarly a hand full of people in the right positions with enough money could have organized 911 for their own personal gain with their underlings unaware as to what they were doing.
If in fact 9-11 was staged as the Iranian President says, (which I do not believe it was.. just for the record) the UK was probably in on it as you're usually in bed with us on everything else.. https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ju...cover-up-claim
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