911 & the burning of the Koran

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Arrowwind09

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saved1986

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This is the thing that really gets me. I was watching the reruns just last night (hard to miss) of the whole event and it was just so incredibly obvious as the videographers just before each tower fell said they heard an explosion. You just cannot look at those towers collapse in the manner that they do and not wonder how a plane crashing into them could cause that kind of \'implosion\' which looked exactly like the controlled implosion of other buildings we have watched such as hotels in Vegas. And....you are never allowed to SEE the actual plane that crashed into the pentagon or that crashed in Pittsburg. All you see is the hole in the ground....what happened to the planes?\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n Scientists from Brigham Young Universty and from overseas as well found explosives material in the dust from the WTC. The newest version of LOOSE CHANGE , available from Netflex tells the story of the science behind it.
\nOne man who spoke to loudly about the explosions he heard in building number 7 is now dead.... kinda like Matt Simmons talking about the gulf current not moving anymore. Those who rattle the wrong cage and too loudly don\'t last long.
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\nThere is plenty of video footage of puffs of smoke coming out of the buildings way down low, as the towers start to collapse.
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But where are there pictures of the plane that crashed into pentagon and in PA?

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Shortly after the plane(?) hit the pentagon a CNN reporter is filmed saying that there is a small hole in the building and very little wreckage to be seen. Much latter when asked what he recalled seeing that day he said that there was wreckage scatter all over. Was his first observation in error? Or was he now just following the official story?

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\nA large twin engine plane crashes into the building and the relatively thin and light fuselage punches a hole into the wall, but the heavy engines just bounce off and are sucked into the hole. Where upon the entire plane we are told is virtually consumed in the fire. But the passengers were identified by their fingerprints.

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\nThere was a picture of a couple cleanup guys standing next to what is obviously the turbine of a jet engine. This turbine was maybe knee high to these workers.
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\nI have also seen a picture of the same type of plane with a maintenance guy working on one of its engines, he was standing inside the air inlet shroud with plenty of room to spare. We seem to be looking at two different engines, how can that be?

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\r\n \r\n Apparently that jerk of a "christian" minister called the buring off. The death threats were probably getting hot and heavy. Could someone so profoundly stupid see the light? Maybe it takes being inundated with a couple million objections for him to review his conscious?
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Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n Really, mountainrain, get the movie "Loose Change." Older versions that do not discuss the thermite explosive materials found are available on youtube.\r\n

Kelly Thundercloud

\r\n \r\n I think it is wrong to burn any holy book, regardless of the religion. But eveyone still has a right to their opinion. I am a strong Catholic and I once dated someone who liked to burn bibles. Of course, it bothers me...but he had a right to his opinion and I was not going to tell him not to do it if it was something he believed in.
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\nFreedom of speech means that everyone is allowed to voice their opinion. This freedom is taken away when you are told to be "politically correct." If you are allowed to voice your opinion, then why are you being told not to? If someone comes up to me as a Christian and tells me "Happy Haunikkah", I have a choice to either say it back or to say nothing at all...and if I want to say "Merry Christmas" to someone, they don\'t have to like it and they don\'t have to respond. I will respect their opinoin. If somebody wishes to do the "Happy Holidays" thing, that\'s cool with me...but when you try to FORCE Happy Holidays down my throat, tell me that I don\'t have the right to express my views for my religion...then you are hindering my freedom of speech! If I told you that you must use a specific religion when greeting people, I would be hindering your freedom of speech.
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\nWe should not force people to say or not say anything, we should not force people to express or not express an opinion! Yes, I believe that burning the koran is wrong. It\'s very wrong and I have the right to express that I feel this way. But whoever decides to burn korans has a right to do so because he is expressing his opinion. He can tell me I am out of my mind for not hating the muslim religion...that\'s fine.
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\nOn another note: Islam itself, along with any religion, is not bad. It is certain people who make it bad. You can take religion either way. You can make it bad or you can make it good. I choose to make mine good and not to bother anybody. You can choose to make yours bad and kill people because of it. It\'s not the religion, it\'s you.\r\n

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On another note: Islam itself, along with any religion, is not bad. It is certain people who make it bad. You can take religion either way. You can make it bad or you can make it good. I choose to make mine good and not to bother anybody. You can choose to make yours bad and kill people because of it. It\'s not the religion, it\'s you.

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I would have to disagree. If you study the Koran or read about what those who have studied it have to say about it, the consensuses is that it is any thing but a peaceful religion. The true follower, the fundamentalist, the one who is accurately following its teaching is taught that it is OK to kill anyone that will not convert to Islam. Fortunately not all Muslims are fundamentalist.
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In the Muslim religion, first off, a Koran is viewed as a sacred object. People die to protect it, as obsurd as that would seem to the Christian mind, who would just not worry and go out and buy a new bibile. The OBJECT is viewed with extreme revernace.
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\nIt is more comparable to the holy sacred euchrist found in every catholic church acorss the nation in the tabernacle on the alter. Many people have died over the ages to protect this Euchrist as it is believed by many catholics to be the actual body of chirst. To assault this sacred object or just let it be subject to fire or other distruction is incomprhensible. this object, unlike the American Flag by our government or the Bible by any church that I know of, is deemed of such great value by the church that a priest is expected to protect it with his life. So it is with the Koran by Islam religion.
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\nWhere does ones personal freedom to blab off cross the line in the face of the death and distruction it may cause? If you go into a crowed auditorium and start screaming murder or rape or fire you Will go to jail.
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\nIn our nation hate crime bears a greater weight than just plain assault. If a crime is done out of hate the the sentence is much more severe.
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\nObviously this minister guy is getting the message that words can be like weapons and they can cause massive distruction, and probably the biggest concern he is lately developing is for his own destruction and that of his family.
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\nTo me he has had no ethical or moral compass in this situation and the weight of public opinion is bearing upon him and so it should be. Although he may in this nation have the right to do this act all the peoples in this nation have the right to bear down upon him and try to silence him and this act is being moved forward though just about every media and public forum available to thinking people across this nation. Thank god we are being successful.
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\nIf you had a small child saying racist comments in the middle of a crowed park filled with black people you would take him by the hand and drag him out of the park. You would not just stand there and say he has the right to say these words.
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\nThe weight of saying Merry Christmas or not does not compare in gravity. You have thousands of muslim terrorists willing to make a cause of this and they will kill, they will move into action and they will kill and many innocents will die and the flames of war will rage.... and I do feel that this is the intent of this man.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Whooo hoooo look at all those American flags getting torched overseas by loving Muslims! Isn\'t it amazing how one nutjob can invoke such pandemonium?
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Whooo hoooo look at all those American flags getting torched overseas by loving Muslims! Isn\'t it amazing how one nutjob can invoke such pandemonium?
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Hiya they normally burn an effigy of politicians or flags at the disgust of our foreign policy. They don\'t bring Christianity in to it normally - they have no reason to, its a pivotal part of their religion too. Lets face it, this war has been pants. Many many innocent people on both sides have died as a direct result. The war as had a knock on effect and many other events have happened as a result of it. i.e. 7/7 here in England. Kidnappings, beheadings...etc. George W Bush and Tony blair are war criminals I\'m sorry to say. I gather the Irish egged him recently at his book signing. Anyway this whole event was just an attention seeking exercise, lets hope it quickly dissipates from the media and next time, they dont bother reporting it like they did. Thoughts should be with those who perished that day in September and their families.\r\n

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I think it\'s because most people don\'t Want to believe Their Government could do such a horrible thing, Arrow.

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Govt?????????? There is no govt! It is cabal of the ultra wealthy.

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We do have a government but it is manipulated by a cabal of the ultra wealthy.
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\n Thus even when they see the imposable happening right before their eyes, like supposedly two planes flying into two buildings and then within minutes both building are reduced to powdery rubble, they cannot accept that this doesnï¿½t make sense. Yet when the media comes out a short while latter telling us this was all the work of a few terrorists and here are their names this is somehow believable?

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\r\n \r\n So this nut case has caused the incineration that has taken 6 lives so far.... he gets to wear that badge for the rest of his life....
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\nI have been listening to the Sufi Islamic Imam on CNN this week. I did not realize that he was Sufi until then. I got to check him out on mainstream media while visiting my son. The Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf sounds like such a level headed man. They would like to make the center an inter-religious center where people from different groups can come together and work and worship. This was not the initial intent of the center but he feels that it would be of greater serivce than what was originally planned. This center is a mere two blocks from there home mosque, so they have a presence there already.
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\nNow I am sure most of you realize the animosity between Jews and Muslims.. In one branch of the Sufi orders that are found in the US many practice the Jewish ceremony Shabbot on Friday evening.. They are a beautiful, open minded group, and generally very well educated.... different from the mainstream Muslim. More simiilar to Buddism, their goal is to find internal peace though the heart. They are esoteric, and basically seek enlightenment. They see that god has many names, and the word Allah is a representation for all the names of god found across the planet. They assert that there is only one god, with many names.
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\nIf this 2 block radius is such dam sacred ground they might do better ousting the strip clubs and other trash located in the vacinity that make a mockery of human life and potential, and sink the soul into delusion.
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\nQuite a few muslims died in the 9/11 attach. Certainly many more percentage wise than found in the general population. Muslims have a very strong presence in NYC compared to other cities... I would assume that their grief is no less than any Christain or other.\r\n

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\n ISTANBUL ï¿½ About a week ago, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared to the United Nations that most people in the world believe the United States was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
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\n Compassion for the United States swept the globe right after the attacks, but conspiracy theories were circulating even then. It wasn\'t al-Qaida, they said, but the United States or Israel that downed the towers. Weeks after the strikes, at the United Nations, President George W. Bush urged the world not to tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories" that deflected blame from the culprits.
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\n Controversy over U.S. actions and policies, including the widely discredited assertions that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, reinforced the perceptions of conspiracy theorists. Iranians dug deeper into history, recalling the U.S.-backed coup in their country in 1953.
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Agree. Naturally one does not want to believe that the government would condone something like 911, still as more and more information keeps leaking out and logically watching the way these (three) buildings collapsed in a manner that couldnï¿½t have been anything but a controlled demolition, it becomes hard to dismiss the obvious.
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Not necessarily so. On a smaller scale consider Bernie Madoff and his ponzi scam. Is it logical to assume that everyone that worked for his organization, right down to the janitor, knew that he was a fraud and con artist? Or were most just doing their job and total unaware of what was going on at the top?
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Its the same on this side of the pond too. We\'ve become disillusioned with our government(s) too. I think its time we colonised the moon and procreated better a better global community?

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Ouu! Lets go here instead!

\nhttps://news.ucsc.edu/2010/09/planet.html\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n I didn\'t know that the US government gave syphillus to all those guatemalan people. I did know that they funded the the organizations that murdered about 30,000 freedom seeking peasants in the 1980\'s. CIA backed black box operations.\r\n

Arrowwind09

\r\n \r\n Not only that but we have done immense damage with depeted uranium weapons in Iraq. They will have deformed babies for many many years there, and that crap keeps blowing over to England. Karma I guess\r\n

Mad Scientest · ï¿½ #1 ï¿½ 09-10-2010, 09:05 PM

Burning the Koran.

Isnï¿½t it interesting the outcry over the Florida pastors plan, of a 50 member church, to burn a few Korans? Oh the moral indignation the outrage from the MSM is just amazing. AP and Fox wonï¿½t cover it. Obama says call it off and sends his ï¿½best wishesï¿½ to Muslims. Their website is shut down. Commentators from around the world are fearful that this could incite violence from this peaceful religion of Islam. But of course this is just the sort of thing we have come to expect from this so called ï¿½peaceful religionï¿½.

Meanwhile in Afghanistan a soldier was prevented from passing out Christian bibles send to him from his church and translated into the local language. They were confiscated and destroyed, burned I believe. Of course even the thought of building a Christian church in some Islamic countries could get you beheaded. And even privately practicing Christianity can be a death sentence.

So while burning a few Korans is obviously not one of this pastors better ideas still it is equally obvious that we have a very serious double standard working here. Freedom of speech is meaningless if you are not allowed to say something that someone else might not like.

But is there more going here than just some crazy pastor coming up with a dumb idea? Could he have been recruited to promote this idea? If so what has this controversy accomplished? Has it not focused everyone attention around the supposed fact that ï¿½radicalï¿½ Muslims were solely responsible for the 911 attack? Thus if the majority of people can continue to be convinced that someone hiding in a cave was able to plan and carry out this attack then all other possibilities will be ignored. We certainly do not want people to start questioning the governmentï¿½s official story and to me this seems like a perfect way to keep the public diverted from asking embarrassing question of government.

Cause imagine what would happen if large numbers of people became fully aware of just some of the information that the 911 truthers and architects & engineers for 911 truth have uncovered. If this were to become widely known it would probably result in something like the Nuremburg Trials and that in turn could cause the elites entire hidden power structure to collapse.

Thus I believe to prevent that from happing during this yearï¿½s anniversary that the Koran burning and the flap over the ground zero mosque are being exploited as a way to keep everyone from thinking about the alternatives.

https://www.ae911truth.org/en/home.html

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