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\nAre they ready to articulate exactly what that problem is and how to address it? No, not yet. But neither are Congress or the president who, in thrall to corporate America and Wall Street, respectively, have consistently failed to engage in anything resembling a conversation as cogent as the many I witnessed as I strolled by Occupy Wall Street\'s many teach-ins this morning. There were young people teaching one another about, among other things, how the economy works, about the disconnection of investment banking from the economy of goods and services, the history of centralized interest-bearing currency, the creation and growth of the derivatives industry, and about the Obama administration deciding to settle with, rather than investigate and prosecute the investment banking industry for housing fraud.
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\nI\'ve made my opinion known a couple of times in pryor threads about this with concerns about the source, people like Soros, Bill Ayers, Michael Moore, and Richard Trumka, but let it go quickly because the I don\'t like to trample threads I disagree with. Being that this one is about the protests being exposed, here\'s another little diddly, one of their demands, that gets conveniently overlooked in the media. Warren Buffet\'s name keeps being thrown out as backing higher taxes for the rich, yet strangely he doesn\'t seem too keen on paying them himself....Obama\'s buddy GE is another that comes to mind. Hmmm.
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CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50\'s and 60\'s
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\nThis is not like any other time these things have occurred...
\nyes, just another protest...yes, just regular folks...yes, similar happenings have come and gone...but...
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\nThis is creating a moment by moment push on the bell curve...and the bell is about to ring and not stop this time.
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\nBeing in Madison, I saw the counter protests the Tea Party brought in, including Sarah Palin, and as opposed to the tens of thousands of liberal protesters, the tea party on 2 seperate times brought in maybe 5-10 thousand, most trying to instigate, drinking beer on the capitol lawn, carrying weapons etc. We cleaned up after ourselves, not that we had to because we had the right to protest, but because we are citizens of this state. I have seen many videos of tea partiers also having no idea why they are protesting. And the unions are there to keep the gop from getting rid of all competition to them. GOP has the big business, rich folk money, the Dems have the Unions, get rid of Unions and then what...I guess we will see.
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Grandma this country will never come out of debt as long as our currency is debt based. The federal reserve, national banks, and fractional reserve lending system are the largest contributors to our economic instability. Trump and drilling? give me a break. Once people stop thinking in terms of economic success, and start thinking in terms of sustainable human values, then we will have progress.
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Yes, I do believe we can and will come out of debt. Trump knows how to create jobs and drilling would make us independent of foreign rule. Economic success creates both.
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Although I disagree with Ron Paul on some issues, he is the only hope of ending the mass corruption and theft of trillions of the taxpayer dollars.
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\nThe FED is a central bank. Central banks are supposed to implement a country\'s fiscal policies. They monitor commercial banks to ensure that they maintain sufficient assets, like cash, so as to remain solvent and stable. Central banks also do business, such as currency exchanges and gold transactions, with other central banks. In theory, a central bank should be good for a country, and they might be if it wasn\'t for the fact that they are not owned or controlled by the government of the country they are serving. Private central banks, including our FED, operate not in the interest of the public good but for profit.
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\nThere have been three central banks in our nation\'s history. The first two, while deceptive and fraudulent, pale in comparison to the scope and size of the fraud being perpetrated by our current FED. What they all have in common is an insidious practice known as "fractional banking."
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\nFractional banking or fractional lending is the ability to create money from nothing, lend it to the government or someone else and charge interest to boot. The practice evolved before banks existed. Goldsmiths rented out space in their vaults to individuals and merchants for storage of their gold or silver. The goldsmiths gave these "depositors" a certificate that showed the amount of gold stored. These certificates were then used to conduct business.
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\nIn time the goldsmiths noticed that the gold in their vaults was rarely withdrawn. Small amounts would move in and out but the large majority never moved. Sensing a profit opportunity, the goldsmiths issued double receipts for the gold, in effect creating money (certificates) from nothing and then lending those certificates (creating debt) to depositors and charging them interest as well.
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\nSince the certificates represented more gold than actually existed, the certificates were "fractionally" backed by gold. Eventually some of these vault operations were transformed into banks and the practice of fractional banking continued.
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\nKeep that fractional banking concept in mind as we examine our first central bank, the First Bank of the United States (BUS). It was created, after bitter dissent in the Congress, in 1791 and chartered for 20 years. A scam not unlike the current FED, the BUS used its control of the currency to defraud the public and establish a legal form of usury.
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\nThis bank practiced fractional lending at a 10:1 rate, ten dollars of loans for each dollar they had on deposit. This misuse and abuse of their public charter continued for the entire 20 years of their existence. Public outrage over these abuses was such that the charter was not renewed and the bank ceased to exist in 1811.
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\nThe war of 1812 left the country in economic chaos, seen by bankers as another opportunity for easy profits. They influenced Congress to charter the second central bank, the Second Bank of the United States (SBUS), in 1816.
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\nThe SBUS was more expansive than the BUS. The SBUS sold franchises and literally doubled the number of banks in a short period of time. The country began to boom and move westward, which required money. Using fractional lending at the 10:1 rate, the central bank and their franchisees created the debt/money for the expansion.
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\nThings boomed for a while, then the banks decided to shut off the debt/money, citing the need to control inflation. This action on the part of the SBUS caused bankruptcies and foreclosures. The banks then took control of the assets that were used as security against the loans.
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\nClosely examine how the SBUS engineered this cycle of prosperity and depression. The central bank caused inflation by creating debt/money for loans and credit and making these funds readily available. The economy boomed. Then they used the inflation which they created as an excuse to shut off the loans/credit/money.
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\nThe resulting shortage of cash caused the economy to falter or slow dramatically and large numbers of business and personal bankruptcies resulted. The central bank then seized the assets used as security for the loans. The wealth created by the borrowers during the boom was then transferred to the central bank during the bust. And you always wondered how the big guys ended up with all the marbles.
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\nNow, who do you think is responsible for all of the ups and downs in our economy over the last 85 years? Think about the depression of the late \'20s and all through the \'30s. The FED could have pumped lots of debt/money into the market to stimulate the economy and get the country back on track, but did they? No; in fact, they restricted the money supply quite severely. We all know the results that occurred from that action, don\'t we?
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\nWhy would the FED do this? During that period asset values and stocks were at rock bottom prices. Who do you think was buying everything at 10 cents on the dollar? I believe that it is referred to as consolidating the wealth. How many times have they already done this in the last 85 years?
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\nSeveral years back, after certain central banks said they would be selling large quantities of gold, the price of gold fell to a then 25-year low of about $260 per ounce. The central banks then bought gold. After buying at the bottom, a group of 15 central banks announced that they would be restricting the amount of gold released into the market for the next five years. The price of gold shot up $75.00 per ounce in just a few days. How many hundreds of billions of dollars did the central banks make with those two press releases?
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\nGold is generally considered to be a hedge against more severe economic conditions. Do you think that the private banking families that own the FED are buying or selling equities at this time? (Remember: buy low, sell high.) How much money do you think these FED owners have made by manipulating the money supply?
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\nGovernments and politicians do not rule central banks, central banks rule governments and politicians. President Andrew Jackson won the presidency in 1828 with the promise to end the national debt and eliminate the SBUS. During his second term President Jackson withdrew all government funds from the bank and on
January 8, 1835, paid off the national debt. He is the only president in history to have this distinction. The charter of the SBUS expired in 1836.
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United States experienced unprecedented growth for 60 or 70 years, and the resulting wealth was too much for bankers to endure. They had to get back into the game. So, in 1910 Senator Nelson Aldrich, then Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, in collusion with representatives of the European central banks, devised a plan to pressure and deceive Congress into enacting legislation that would covertly establish a private central bank.
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\nThis bank would assume control over the American economy by controlling the issuance of its money. After a huge public relations campaign, engineered by the foreign central banks, the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was slipped through Congress during the Christmas recess, when many members of the Congress absent. President Woodrow Wilson, pressured by his political and financial backers, signed it on
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\nThe act created the Federal Reserve System, a name carefully selected and designed to deceive. "Federal" would lead one to believe that this is a government organization. "Reserve" would lead one to believe that the currency is being backed by gold and silver. "System" was used in lieu of the word "bank" so that one would not conclude that a new central bank had been created.
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\nIn reality, the act created a private, for profit, central Banking Corporation owned by a cartel of private banks. Who owns the FED? The Rothschilds of London and
Berlin; Lazard Brothers of Paris; Israel Moses Seif of Italy; Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg of Germany; and the Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs and the Rockefeller families of New York.
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\nDid you know that the FED is the only for-profit corporation in
America that is exempt from both federal and state taxes? The FED takes in about one trillion dollars per year tax free! The banking families listed above get all that money.
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\nAlmost everyone thinks that the money they pay in taxes goes to the US Treasury to pay for the expenses of the government. Do you want to know where your tax dollars really go? If you look at the back of any check made payable to the IRS you will see that it has been endorsed as "Pay Any F.R.B. Branch or Gen. Depository for Credit U.S. Treas. This is in Payment of U.S. debit." Yes, that\'s right, every dime you pay in income taxes is given to those private banking families, commonly known as the FED, tax free.
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\nLike many of you, I had some difficulty with the concept of creating money from nothing. You may have heard the term "monetizing the debt," which is kind of the same thing. As an example, if the US Government wants to borrow $1 million, and the government does borrow every dollar it spends, they go to the FED to borrow the money. The FED calls the Treasury and says print 10,000 Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) in units of one hundred dollars.
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\nThe Treasury charges the FED 2.3 cents for each note, for a total of $230 for the 10,000 FRNs. The FED then lends the $1 million to the government at face value plus interest. To add insult to injury, the government has to create a bond for $1 million as security for the loan. And the rich get richer. The above was just an example, because in reality the FED does not even print the money; it\'s just a computer entry in their accounting system. To put this on a more personal level, let\'s use another example.
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\nToday\'s banks are members of the Federal Reserve Banking System. This membership makes it legal for them to create money from nothing and lend it to you. Today\'s banks, like the goldsmiths of old, realize that only a small fraction of the money deposited in their banks is ever actually withdrawn in the form of cash. Only about 3 or 4 percent of all the money that exists is in the form of currency. The rest of it is simply a computer entry.
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\nLet\'s say you\'re approved to borrow $10,000 to do some home improvements. You know that the bank didn\'t actually take $10,000 from its pile of cash and put it into your pile? They simply went to their computer and input an entry of $10,000 into your account. They just created, from thin air, a debt, which you have to secure with a real asset and repay with interest. The bank is allowed to create and lend as much debt as they want as long as they do not exceed the 10:1 ratio imposed by the FED.
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\nIt sort of puts a new slant on how you view your friendly bank, doesn\'t it? How about those loan committees that scrutinize you with a microscope before approving the loan they create from thin air. What a hoot! They make it complex for a reason. They don\'t want you to understand what they are doing. People fear what they do not understand. You are easier to delude and control when you are ignorant and afraid.
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\nNow to put the frosting on this cake. When was the income tax created? If you guessed 1913, the same year that the FED was created, you get a gold star. Coincidence? What are the odds? If you are going to use the FED to create debt, who is going to repay that debt? The income tax was created to complete the illusion that real money had been lent and therefore real money has to be repaid. And you thought Houdini was good.
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\nIf "We the People" don\'t take some action, there may come a time when "We the People" are no more. Our elected representatives need to know that we want change and in this case real change. It is reasonable to assume that many of our elected representatives do not understand how the FED works, we need to inform them. Thus once informed they will not be able to plead ignorance and remain silent. To start with:
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\nArticle 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution specifically says that Congress is the only body that can "coin money and regulate the value thereof." The US Constitution has never been amended to allow anyone other than Congress to coin and regulate currency.
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\nAsk your representatives, in light of that information, how it is possible for the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and the Federal Reserve Bank that it created, to be constitutional. Ask them why this private banking cartel is allowed to reap trillions of dollars in profits without paying taxes. Insist on an answer.
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\nThomas Jefferson said, "If the
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Default Wall Street protests

Remember the hippie movement of the 60s - early 70s? Remember that everyone maintained the vision of anti-establishment? Did that work? Did that really change anything?

Now the current hippies have the vision of anti-capitalism. Will that work? I doubt it. Greed prevails. What is the opposite of capitalism? Socialism. Not going to work.

The Wall Street protest is the far left's Tea Party.

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