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Oxidants & Anti-oxidants, is there proof they cancel each other out in the body or is this just a postulate? There are both in several powder meal supplement/replacements formulas I have.
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Oxidants & Anti-oxidants, is there proof they cancel each other out in the body or is this just a postulate? There are both in several powder meal supplement/replacements formulas I have.
Antioxidants work by getting oxidized as opposed to something important, so they do cancel each other out to some extent
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You have both in some supplements? That is interesting.

Oxidants, like hydrogen dioxide, is an oxidizing agent. I can produce free radicals, and causing a chain reaction. It removes electrons. MMS does the same thing, removing electrons. To stop an oxidant, you would take an antioxidant such as ascorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is well know for stopping the action of MMS. As Saved says, they do this by being oxidized themselves. Seem complicated. They just have to stop that free radical chain reaction, stop the oxidizing process. So essentially, they do cancel each other out, depending upon how much you take of each. The body produces oxidants too. The body produces hydrogen peroxide for example.
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You have both in some supplements? That is interesting.

Oxidants, like hydrogen dioxide, is an oxidizing agent. I can produce free radicals, and causing a chain reaction. It removes electrons. MMS does the same thing, removing electrons. To stop an oxidant, you would take an antioxidant such as ascorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is well know for stopping the action of MMS. As Saved says, they do this by being oxidized themselves. Seem complicated. They just have to stop that free radical chain reaction, stop the oxidizing process. So essentially, they do cancel each other out, depending upon how much you take of each. The body produces oxidants too. The body produces hydrogen peroxide for example.
Vitamin C is an antioxidant and iodine is oxidant, they are both in a couple different power mixes I have and I figured if they were together there are probably others too.
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Vitamin C is an antioxidant and iodine is oxidant, they are both in a couple different power mixes I have and I figured if they were together there are probably others too.
Yup, you need to take vitamin c away from iodine. Vitamin E and iron also
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That is a problem that I have with multi-vitamins/minerals. I think you will not get enough iodine to worry about. Actually, I suspect you won't get enough vitamin C to worry about either. You'll probably get enough selenium, and men should definitely avoid iron. I take a multi, but take separate supplements to make sure I get them.

Sometimes multi-vitamins will include herbs and extracts, like green tea extract. That is bad, because the tannin will prohibit the availability of other herbs. My problem is that I have to beware of bromelain. It is a great enzyme, but it comes from the pineapple. I'm allergic to pineapple. That's too bad, because I understand that it is the best for sinuses and swimmer's ear.
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and men should definitely avoid iron.
Why should men avoid iron? I have read many people are iron deficient.
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Why should men avoid iron? I have read many people are iron deficient.
Men get plenty of iron from food. Plenty. From meat and vegetables. Unlike women, men have no way to get rid of excess iron. Not unless we donate blood. It would be a surprise to find you are deficient in iron. Remember that the greatest metal of the Earth's crust is iron. Aluminum is up there too. These metals rise to the surface naturally, or due to volcanic dust which travels the planet.

Iron has been found in most all cancer cells.
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Iron acts as a cancer-promoting agent by two separate yet synergistic mechanisms: 1) by producing "free radicals," and 2) by feeding cancer cells. Iron increases the production of free radicals, and-in fact-the production of free radicals is largely proportionate to the level of iron.4 This means that the more iron there is in the body, the more free radicals will be produced and thus the greater the risk of disease, in this case, cancer. Free radicals are oxygen-containing molecules which damage (oxidize) the DNA of cells. Since DNA controls the activities of the cell, once the DNA is damaged, the cell becomes "out of control." Essentially, all cancer cells are out of control. These cancer cells then replicate and grow rapidly and eventually infiltrate and damage the body's organs. Additionally, cancer cells consume many nutrients and thereby starve the host. One of the nutrients cancer cells need most is iron. In fact, researchers now think that iron may be a "rate-limiting" nutrient for cancer cell growth.5 This means that the more iron that is available, the more the cancer cells will divide and flourish, and the better chance they have of killing the host. Recent research has shown that people with high levels of iron have an increased risk for cancer.
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I had a hair mineral analysis done a couple months ago and it showed iron (for one thing) being low, is the hair analysis a correct indicator of this or not.
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I put very little trust in hair analysis. What shows up in hair is not necessarily what is found in the body. Remember that the hair is absorbent. It is prone to contamination. It can absorb shampoos, municipal water, hair sprays, conditioners, etc.

I'm surprised that you are low in iron, if you are a guy. Iron accumulates. Unless your are chelating. IP6 is the best chelator of iron. It is why IP6 should be used along with other cancer treatments.
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I used inositol and IP6 for "immune enhancement" it did seem to help with my allergies, I don't use it anymore and will discontinue my iron supplement even though I don't eat much red meat...and after reading about "pink slime" (it's disgusting) I may eat even less.
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Oh. CyberJ, you do not need meat to get iron. It is everywhere. Remember what I said about our planet being mostly iron in its crust.

check the charts on this page:
https://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...trient&dbid=70

Excellent food sources of iron include asparagus, chard, spinach, thyme, turmeric and cumin seeds.
Very good sources of iron include romaine lettuce, blackstrap molasses, tofu, mustard greens, collard greens, turnip greens, leeks, oregano, and black pepper.
Good sources of iron include lentils, Brussel sprouts, venison, garbanzo beans, broccoli, kale, and scallops.
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Oxidants & Anti-oxidants, is there proof they cancel each other out in the body or is this just a postulate? There are both in several powder meal supplement/replacements formulas I have.
Rather than thinking one cancels the other, think about it this way... Just breathing in oxygen (which is an oxidizer) causes free radical damage to the cells, and is the very reason why we don't live forever. This action cannot be prevented, however, it can be slowed down by taking antioxidants.

So instead of cancelling each other out, one cancels the damage caused by the other, by trapping the free radicals before they damage the cells, which are "hit" thousands of times each in any given day. This is why it is so important to take antioxidants after running, powerwalking, or working out. The exercise provides the benefit but the antioxidants cancel out the side effects.
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Rather than thinking one cancels the other, think about it this way... Just breathing in oxygen (which is an oxidizer) causes free radical damage to the cells, and is the very reason why we don't live forever. This action cannot be prevented, however, it can be slowed down by taking antioxidants.

So instead of cancelling each other out, one cancels the damage caused by the other, by trapping the free radicals before they damage the cells, which are "hit" thousands of times each in any given day. This is why it is so important to take antioxidants after running, powerwalking, or working out. The exercise provides the benefit but the antioxidants cancel out the side effects.
So can I take it that you see no harm or perhaps an actual benefit in taking both at the same time?
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So can I take it that you see no harm or perhaps an actual benefit in taking both at the same time?
I would suggest taking antioxidants about 20 minutes after exercise, or 20 minutes after taking an oxidizer, such as iodine, ozone, or MMS.
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