Go Back   Natural Medicine Talk > Health > Cancer

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-12-2011, 01:51 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7
'Niiter n' me is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi again everyone!

jfh, I am so very sorry to hear about your friends. I know that Non-Hodgkins is often much more aggressive than Hodgkins. We're certainly hoping that alternative medicine will hold the key to this, at least before trying the conventional (/while we're waiting because it seems to take forever. No sense wasting time).

Thank you all again for more great suggestions! We always include lots of raw garlic and coriander (cilantro - thank you for making sure that was clear! "Two countries divided by a common language" as they say ) in our diet. He has only had one filling, but we don't know what they used because he was much younger and doesn't remember. Thank you also for clearing up the vitamin D question. I'll have him take it daily from now on. His exposure to sun was not lacking in the months before this appeared (we were in Central America, outside constantly); could it be that he is lacking something else, in order to process it properly? He is taking Ubiquinal CoQH, which seems to have a role in that. Is there anything else?

He is taking the Essiac now, twice daily.

I did not intend for the vegan topic to get out of hand. I only mentioned it to indicate that many of the things on the "Do not eat/reduce" lists for cancer diets (such as refined/processed foods, red meats, and others) are already things that we don't eat for many, many reasons. Conventional and alternative literature speaks of a "whole foods, plant-based diet" as being the most beneficial for cancer prevention and treatment. I understand this doesn't mean "NO animal products," but it seems he has a good start on a healthy diet.

Now on the other hand, I don't want to hear from the vegan police when I say that he has been taking fish oil for the EPA/DHA and other benefits for about 3 weeks. He is considering some dairy products (though we haven't been able to find truly natural ones around here), especially if he needs to be taking in more fat and calories. Thank you for keeping things positive and helpful! I'm really grateful to have this place to get feedback!

We are in Northeastern Alabama. It's fairly easy for us to get to Birmingham, Chattanooga, TN, and Atlanta, GA...

Thank you all and may you be well!
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-12-2011, 02:06 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7
'Niiter n' me is on a distinguished road
Default

Another quick question...I just looked at the website provided by Arrowwind09 for the Hoxey formula, but it looks like they just have the potassium iodide available. Does anyone know of another reliable place to get it? Or a recipe for me to make it?
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-12-2011, 03:51 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7
'Niiter n' me is on a distinguished road
Default

Sorry, I have another question. I've read in many places "cancer cannot live in an alkaline body". My fiancee measures his pH regularly (his saliva) and it is always at least 7.4 or higher. (If anything, I'm the acidic one.) What does this mean? Are we not measuring the right body fluid?
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-12-2011, 03:58 PM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,449
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Niiter n' me View Post
Sorry, I have another question. I've read in many places "cancer cannot live in an alkaline body". My fiancee measures his pH regularly (his saliva) and it is always at least 7.4 or higher. (If anything, I'm the acidic one.) What does this mean? Are we not measuring the right body fluid?
Not sure, but I habe heard of measuring saliva. Different body fluids have different pHs. The idea of alkalization has many proponents, but if you raised your blood pH (if you raise pH, you increase alkalinity) more than 0.05 units (or lower it for that matter) you will run into all sorts of problems.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-15-2011, 01:02 PM
jfh jfh is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 3,349
Blog Entries: 16
jfh will become famous soon enoughjfh will become famous soon enough
Default

I just found this info while searching for info on mushrooms.

Quote:
Lymphoma Regression of gastric large B-Cell lymphoma accompanied by a florid lymphoma-like T-cell reaction: immunomodulatory effect of Ganoderma lucidum Reishi?
Int J Surg Pathol. 2007. Department of Pathology, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Wylie Road, Kowloon, Hong Kong.

Complete regression of high-grade lymphoma is extremely rare. We report 1 such case that might have been conceivably mediated by reishi. A 47-year-old man presented with epigastric pain. Endoscopy revealed a large gastric ulcer, which on biopsy was diagnostic of large B-cell lymphoma. At gastrectomy 11 days later, no evidence was found of large B-cell lymphoma despite thorough sampling. Instead, there was a dense and permeative infiltrate of CD3(+) CD8(+) cytotoxic small T lymphocytes spanning the whole thickness of the gastric wall. In situ reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction for T-cell receptor beta-chain family did not detect a monoclonal T-cell population. We postulate that the cytotoxic T cells may represent an active host-immune response against the large B-cell lymphoma that resulted in a complete regression. On questioning, the patient had taken megadoses of reishi, which might have triggered the successful immune reaction.
Sorry. That's all I found. One small quote. It does not say how much reishi was taken.
__________________
-
- Jim
"A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something." —Wilson Mizner
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-16-2011, 05:08 PM
HeavyTZM's Avatar
Reader
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NC
Posts: 170
HeavyTZM is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree with Arrowwind about the hemp oil, it's the most convincing treatment I've ever heard of. I've also watched a couple documentaries on the Gerson Clinic operating out of Mexico. If I ever developed cancer, that is where I would go.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-16-2011, 05:10 PM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,449
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavyTZM View Post
I agree with Arrowwind about the hemp oil, it's the most convincing treatment I've ever heard of. I've also watched a couple documentaries on the Gerson Clinic operating out of Mexico. If I ever developed cancer, that is where I would go.
1940s Gerson had tremedous success with his protocaol, send it some govt agency. Home gets raided by govt agents a few days later who destroy his files.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-17-2011, 01:19 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7
'Niiter n' me is on a distinguished road
Default

We're looking into the hemp oil to see if that might be effective. The Gerson clinic is another good option, though we don't really have any resources to pay for that. That is crazy that they raided his house! I was just glancing through a book, "Informed Decisions" (a dauntingly dictionary-sized tome on conventional cancer treatments), and saw a bit about the Gerson therapy..."has never been proven effective...not scientifically sound...diet isn't enough..." all the typically dismissive (yet vague) comments used to delegitimize alternative medicine.

We just got Andrew Weil's book Spontaneous Healing from the library today. As soon as I saw the cover, I realized he was the amazing doctor who gave a wonderful commencement speech at my graduation last year! I remember being very impressed by his speech, surprised to hear so many "radical" things I whole-heartedly agree with at a speech from an institution...Long story short, I can't wait to start the book!!!

A friend of ours at a Natural health clinic nearby suggested the book "Cancer is not a Disease, it's a Survival Mechanism" by Andreas Moritz, and that has proven to be an excellent book. It's full of information, new perspectives, and hope. Even just reading a few pieces of it has completely changed my fiancee's feelings towards this whole experience, himself, and his life. I can't praise it highly enough...I would recommend it to anyone and everyone who's interested in their well-being.

Again, thank you all for your suggestions and support...I'm following up on them as fast as I can!

Be well,
Niiter
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 12-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: San Diego / Joshua Tree
Posts: 5
zephyr66 is on a distinguished road
Default

hi... my partner has stage 4 melanoma and we just went to the Hoxsey clinic in mexico. we were very impressed. you can stay in an inexpensive but nice hotel in San Ysidro (US border town below San Diego) and there is a free shuttle that takes you to the clinic in the morning. blood tests, xrays, urine tests were completed and a personalized protocol was given with all the tonic, herbs needed for 3 months. the ones that weren't all there we were given contact info where to get it and he faxed in herbal prescriptions to two places and they were mailed to us in just a few days. the cost is a lot better than many and we know people first and second hand that were given not much time to live and did and are doing very well on hoxsey. gerson is good, but EXTREMELY expensive ($10K for two weeks and you must bring a caretaker). hoxsey only asks for about $1300 and you go back in 3 months. i believe their policy is to never turn anyone away if they don't have the money. so, i vote for hoxsey. i also like the gerson juicing and coffee enemas to accompany. hope this helps!
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 12-04-2011, 04:38 AM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,449
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zephyr66 View Post
hi... my partner has stage 4 melanoma and we just went to the Hoxsey clinic in mexico. we were very impressed. you can stay in an inexpensive but nice hotel in San Ysidro (US border town below San Diego) and there is a free shuttle that takes you to the clinic in the morning. blood tests, xrays, urine tests were completed and a personalized protocol was given with all the tonic, herbs needed for 3 months. the ones that weren't all there we were given contact info where to get it and he faxed in herbal prescriptions to two places and they were mailed to us in just a few days. the cost is a lot better than many and we know people first and second hand that were given not much time to live and did and are doing very well on hoxsey. gerson is good, but EXTREMELY expensive ($10K for two weeks and you must bring a caretaker). hoxsey only asks for about $1300 and you go back in 3 months. i believe their policy is to never turn anyone away if they don't have the money. so, i vote for hoxsey. i also like the gerson juicing and coffee enemas to accompany. hope this helps!

GOOD INFO

THANK YOU

Was is pretty safe there?
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 12-04-2011, 06:51 AM
Observer
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: San Diego / Joshua Tree
Posts: 5
zephyr66 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by saved1986 View Post
GOOD INFO

THANK YOU

Was is pretty safe there?
yes, VERY safe. the hotel is in a fine part of town and i walked to get something to eat. the shuttle takes you right to the clinic so you don't have to worry about navigating anywhere and they bring you back. the Hoxsey bio-medical center is beautiful and you won't want to leave. they have a restaurant (foods catering to the Hoxsey compliant diet and food for those who aren't on it) and the food was delicious and you pay in a basket with the honor system. for your first appt., you'll be there most of the day and will need to eat. many of the herbs are from mexico, so after the doc writes your prescription, one of their employees goes to the mexican pharmacies to get the herbs. that's why you leave with most of what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 12-04-2011, 07:27 AM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,449
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zephyr66 View Post
yes, VERY safe. the hotel is in a fine part of town and i walked to get something to eat. the shuttle takes you right to the clinic so you don't have to worry about navigating anywhere and they bring you back. the Hoxsey bio-medical center is beautiful and you won't want to leave. they have a restaurant (foods catering to the Hoxsey compliant diet and food for those who aren't on it) and the food was delicious and you pay in a basket with the honor system. for your first appt., you'll be there most of the day and will need to eat. many of the herbs are from mexico, so after the doc writes your prescription, one of their employees goes to the mexican pharmacies to get the herbs. that's why you leave with most of what you need.
AWESOME! never had an issue in mexico, I do not know why people slam the place. I almost moved there in 06.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 12-04-2011, 05:48 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 7
'Niiter n' me is on a distinguished road
Default

Wow! That sounds amazing! How long was your stay? How can I contact that clinic? We are looking at a clinic in Oklahoma that does DMSO, but we are having a hard time finding enough money ($13,000). About how much were your expenses there total? That really sounds like a wonderful place...I just read in Andrew Weil's book about a man who went to a Hoxey clinic in Mexico and loved it! Thank you soooo much for the information!

Blessings,
'Niiter
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 12-04-2011, 08:00 PM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,449
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Niiter n' me View Post
Wow! That sounds amazing! How long was your stay? How can I contact that clinic? We are looking at a clinic in Oklahoma that does DMSO, but we are having a hard time finding enough money ($13,000). About how much were your expenses there total? That really sounds like a wonderful place...I just read in Andrew Weil's book about a man who went to a Hoxey clinic in Mexico and loved it! Thank you soooo much for the information!

Blessings,
'Niiter
Spontaneous healing is a great read and will open your mind up on this stuff. Also, there is a book called The Cancer Industry Make sure your partner is taking 2g vit C with every meal and before bed. Also, fish oil and turmeric.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 12-04-2011, 09:11 PM
Observer
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: San Diego / Joshua Tree
Posts: 5
zephyr66 is on a distinguished road
Default

the phone number is:

011 52664 684 9011

there is a US phone number on the card that we never called and it is:

619-407-7858 and 619-704-8442.

the Mexico number is usually answered by 7am PST and a nurse answers and can give general information. The doctor is in at 8am I believe. They are very nice and will answer any questions you have.

The total cost was probably about $2000 and that included the visit, tests, 3 month protocol and all herbs and supplements for 3 months. The hotel was $75 and you ask for the "clinic rate" and that includes the shuttle across the border to the clinic and back to the hotel. You are there most of the day when you initially go and then come back in 3 months.
Reply With Quote
Reply Bookmark and Share

Tags
hodgkin lymphoma, hoxey clinic

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Alternative Cancer Treatment Center in Denver rdwhitaker Alternative Therapies 4 10-10-2011 09:06 PM
High cost of alternative treatment astonishann Cancer 10 07-13-2011 11:33 PM
MMS Help and Suggestions Xiomara Alternative Therapies 0 10-04-2010 06:02 AM
Alternative Treatment Website kind2creatures Cancer 2 09-26-2010 07:41 AM
Superbugs - alternative treatment Marcus General Discussions 3 07-09-2006 03:34 PM