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If it cheers you up, it is good i guess
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If it cheers you up, it is good i guess
Everything in moderation of course. Lately though Our Daily Red causes palpitations for me. weeerd. Could I become allergic or sensitive? I choose organic/no sulphites detected brands. What else could it be?
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Everything in moderation of course. Lately though Our Daily Red causes palpitations for me. weeerd. Could I become allergic or sensitive? I choose organic/no sulphites detected brands. What else could it be?
My motherinlaw can only drink a local grown red or she gets headaches. I swear it's in her head, but she can only drink a certain type of wine without getting headaches she tells me
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I can't drink any alcohol without tremendous sinus inflammation within an hour. However, this is diminished when I drink it with a meal. Not fair, but works for me.
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she gets headaches.I swear it's in her head
I am giggling...

Headaches no. Warmth, calm, an oooh, this feels good - then to bed and the palps begin. Harshing the mellow reallll bad. It's similar to when I first began the iodine and needed to do the salt pushes. The palps stopped quick. So I do the salt water now and they didn't stop. Didn't increase. They were subtle - but noticeable and a little worrisome. I normally don't get them and I do like my wine (alot. Two red goblets and I am sooooo relaxed). *Sitting in the back yard, watching the hummers....

White wine causes my nose to plug up real bad and my cheeks turn red. So, no more chardonnay for me!
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Dark grapes have all the benefit of red wine, without the negative effects of alcohol.

Better yet, a concentrated grape powder, with the sugar removed.
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Dark grapes have all the benefit of red wine, without the negative effects of alcohol.

Better yet, a concentrated grape powder, with the sugar removed.

You're right. Much easier on the liver.
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Dark grapes have all the benefit of red wine, without the negative effects of alcohol.

Better yet, a concentrated grape powder, with the sugar removed.
I thought the grapes were better than the concentrated stuff as the skin had the most benefit, which is why white wine isn't as healthy. I really like certain grapes, but just can't eat it daily like how I can have one glass of red wine with dinner a night.

Alcohol in the red wine raises your good HDL cholesterol levels of course in moderation. Webmd has an article below that it's an anti-inflammatory.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20120...good-for-heart
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I thought the grapes were better than the concentrated stuff as the skin had the most benefit
The benefit is not in the skin or the seeds, it is in the nutrients found in the skin and seeds.

When grapes are juiced, the seeds and skin do not end up in the final product, however, the nutrients (over 200 different types) do. The juice is then dried at room temperature, the sugar is removed, and the resulting powder contains most of the total nutrients, but in a concentrated form... much higher than you would find in several glasses of red wine.
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the sugar is removed
^ ^ ^ ^
THIS wins it for me.


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Grape health benefit Information, juice content of resveratrol and nutritional composition by Ray Sahelian, M.D. https://www.raysahelian.com/grape.html

Grapes are one of the most valued conventional fruits, worldwide. The flesh of grapes may be just as heart healthy as the skin. Does this mean that white wine offers as good cardiovascular protection as red wine? Researchers prepared grape skin and grape flesh extracts from four varieties of red grape and tested their cardioprotective effects in rats. They found that the flesh extract was just as protective as the skin extract. The skin of red grapes is a rich source of anthocyanins, potent antioxidants that contribute to the red color of the fruit. Red grapes are usually crushed whole, meaning the anthocyanins are transferred to resulting wine and juice. To make most white wine or white grape juices however the skins are separated from the flesh. That situation led to the conventional belief that red wines and red grape juice are healthier for the heart than white. It's possible that the antioxidant potential of skin and flesh of grapes are comparable with each other despite of the fact that flesh does not possess any anthocyanin activities. While grape skin has anthocyanin concentrations of about 128 milligrams per 100 grams, the flesh contains no such compounds. However, the radical scavenging abilities of both the flesh and skin extracts appear to be the same. The flesh of grapes contain polyphenols, but not of the anthocyanin type. Significant concentrations of caffeic acid, caftaric acid, and coutaric acid have been reported. Such compounds are also present in white grape varieties. Several organic acids and polyphenols possessing potent antioxidant activities present in the flesh of grapes are also found in white wines.
Grapes have a very important compound called resveratrol which has shown anti-aging benefit in rodent studies.
This site looks interesting, as well: https://www.grapescience.com/grape-ch...or-health.aspx
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Specific to grapes, Zern et al., (Journal of Nutrition) documented reductions of urinary measures of oxidative stress and plasma concentrations of inflammatory cytokines following daily consumption of grape powder mixed with water. This study involved 24 pre- and 20 postmenopausal women who were randomly assigned to consume either 36 grams of a grape powder or a placebo for 4 weeks. The authors suggested that the decreases in oxidative stress resulted, at least in part, from the grape polyphenols acting as free radical scavengers. Consumption of grape powder caused a significant reduction in the concentration of LDL-cholesterol, but LDL oxidation lag time did not change.7
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The benefit is not in the skin or the seeds, it is in the nutrients found in the skin and seeds.
Really not sure where you are going with that. So if I said it's not the banana that's healthy, it's the nutirents inside the banana. I'm just wondering if maybe you miswrote something? If somebody wrote that there are benefits to eating almonds, would you say the benefits aren't the almonds, but the nutirents in the almonds?
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No Sugar
The origninal topic was about red wine, so I'm not sure if the no sugar is comparing grape juice to powder now? The reason I'm bring it up is that there's no sugar in red wine. I've made wine for years and you do add sugar, but the yeasts turns the sugar into alcohol. Most red wine has no sugar, no fat and typically less than 1-4 grams of carbs. It's why some people on low carb diets will still consume red wine. If I was on a low carb diet I don't think I would consume red wine, but of course I do think it's the healthiest alcohol drink you can consume in moderation.
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I do think it's the healthiest alcohol drink you can consume in moderation.
I'll drink to that (sorry, couldn't resist )
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Really not sure where you are going with that. So if I said it's not the banana that's healthy, it's the nutirents inside the banana. I'm just wondering if maybe you miswrote something? If somebody wrote that there are benefits to eating almonds, would you say the benefits aren't the almonds, but the nutirents in the almonds?
No... I am talking about juicing.

If you juice dark grapes for example, the skin and seeds end up in the garbage side, however, the nutrients that were in the skin and seeds go through to the finished product side.

Why not just eat the skin and seeds you may ask? The answer is that the finished product is much more potent if it is juiced... Jack Lalanne knew this 60 years ago..

Normally you wouldn't juice a banana, however, if you did, you would juice the whole banana skin and all. The skin would not go through however, most of the nutrients in the skin would. Got it?
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The benefit is not in the skin or the seeds, it is in the nutrients found in the skin and seeds.

When grapes are juiced, the seeds and skin do not end up in the final product, however, the nutrients (over 200 different types) do. The juice is then dried at room temperature, the sugar is removed, and the resulting powder contains most of the total nutrients, but in a concentrated form... much higher than you would find in several glasses of red wine.
How is the sugar removed? AND - where do you find this concentrate? Is it just pure grapes? I found one grape sight from MI that will sell the skin/seed combo in dried form.
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