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Maybe you could give an example of such differences?

I would be interested in knowing. And I recall a university professor eating nothing but junk food and strictly counting calories and he lost weight based on just counting the calories... Of course, again, who knows how reliable that was...

You can lose weight on a starvation diet, but you tend to lose muscle mass too. Problem is, when people decide they have lost all the weight, they return to their regular eating plan, but with less muscle mass.

Muscle does two things; Burns calories (fat or glucose) and stores glycogen. Once we saturate with glycogen, we produce insulin and store the remaining sugar as fat.

Extreme case: You drink a diet soda, your body creates insulin because it senses the incoming 'sugar'. Your blood sugar drops, so your liver releases glucose to feed your brain, and also incites your appetite, because your running out of glucose stores. Even the most disciplined eater will crave something sweet, because replacing the vital sugar for your brain is priority one. So, when the hungry person gorges down more sugar, the insulin cycling continues.

The cycle started with something that had no calories.

Meanwhile, the guy who ate three bacon strips isn't insulin cycling and his appetite is sated.

Furthermore, when your system is making insulin, it's not making other hormones your body could be using for other things.

Dr Bary Sears 'Enter The Zone' is a great resource to understand how your endocrine system works.
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You can lose weight on a starvation diet, but you tend to lose muscle mass too. Problem is, when people decide they have lost all the weight, they return to their regular eating plan, but with less muscle mass.

Muscle does two things; Burns calories (fat or glucose) and stores glycogen. Once we saturate with glycogen, we produce insulin and store the remaining sugar as fat.

Extreme case: You drink a diet soda, your body creates insulin because it senses the incoming 'sugar'. Your blood sugar drops, so your liver releases glucose to feed your brain, and also incites your appetite, because your running out of glucose stores. Even the most disciplined eater will crave something sweet, because replacing the vital sugar for your brain is priority one. So, when the hungry person gorges down more sugar, the insulin cycling continues.

The cycle started with something that had no calories.

Meanwhile, the guy who ate three bacon strips isn't insulin cycling and his appetite is sated.

Furthermore, when your system is making insulin, it's not making other hormones your body could be using for other things.

Dr Bary Sears 'Enter The Zone' is a great resource to understand how your endocrine system works.
I did a search on Dr Bary Sears.. Interesting read. Also goes back to that "protein power plan" you always hear about.

Just make sure you get enough fiber on that diet!

Yes, some people try and cut fat out entirely when they are dieting, unfortunately, our bodies do need fat to function properly. I know that

I was reading up on the "Bulletproof Coffee" thing, and it seems to go on the same principles. You drop a stick of cocoa butter in your coffee or some coconut butter and away you go...
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I thought he was using unsalted organic pasture butter, but either way, starting the day off with fat is what I do.
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I thought he was using unsalted organic pasture butter, but either way, starting the day off with fat is what I do.

Well, I'm not going to start churning my own butter lol... Too much work.. We did do that in Kindergarten I remember. Took 30 of us over an hour to churn butter... Not something I feel like doing every morning LOL..

Although, it would help to burn off the calories you would be consuming afterward..

But you want to start your day off right, fry up some bacon and make some bacon grease toast of course, you can't do that everyday.
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No I can't imagine that having bacon grease toast every single day can be very good for you.

Like everything, it's all about moderation.

Some great conversation here

edit: as a side note, that guy that did the junk food diet... he must of had some great will power, because as far as I understand it, sugar creates the craving for more sugar (simplified explanation of the post above I guess)
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No I can't imagine that having bacon grease toast every single day can be very good for you.
I try to limit my grains to one serving a week.
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I try to limit my grains to one serving a week.

Once a week... Hmmm... Damn... Well, wait a second... I suppose I could do that too if I wanted.

It sounds really difficult, but not really when you break it down. I don't eat a lot of bread, or rice. just wheat tortillas, and I don't eat those everyday...

Oh wait.. The cereal..

Ok.. So, can you give an example menu that lets you stay away from grains but once a week? (I even like to eat nachos etc as well.. I admit I'm not a big vegetable fan...)
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Breakfast: Cottage cheese and fruit, or Whey shake.

snack: nuts or cheese and a raw veggie

Lunch: Meat and a salad, or some hot meat dish with veggies.

snack: nuts or cheese and a piece of fruit

Dinner: Hot or cold meat and some veggie with same temp as the meat.
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Get top quality olive oil and balsamic vinegar to top your salads.

Saute veggies in olive oil, coconut oil, red palm oil or organic pasture butter; Depending on what dish they'll be served with.

Sauteed veggies: Peppers (both sweet and hot), an onion, garlic, little carrot and celery, mushrooms.

Veggies for:

Chilli = red palm oil
Curry = coconut oil
Marinara = olive oil
Steak or chicken = Cow or goat butter, respectively.
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Get top quality olive oil and balsamic vinegar to top your salads.

Saute veggies in olive oil, coconut oil, red palm oil or organic pasture butter; Depending on what dish they'll be served with.

Sauteed veggies: Peppers (both sweet and hot), an onion, garlic, little carrot and celery, mushrooms.

Veggies for:

Chilli = red palm oil
Curry = coconut oil
Marinara = olive oil
Steak or chicken = Cow or goat butter, respectively.
Some good suggestions there. Thanks

Quick question.. Do you miss the grain products at all on that? Or do you just get used to not eating them and don't really notice?

I guess aside from sandwiches, hamburgers, and wraps (wraps mainly for me) we really don't have access to a lot of grains in our diets besides cereals and most of us only eat that for breakfast...
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Some good suggestions there. Thanks

Quick question.. Do you miss the grain products at all on that? Or do you just get used to not eating them and don't really notice?

I guess aside from sandwiches, hamburgers, and wraps (wraps mainly for me) we really don't have access to a lot of grains in our diets besides cereals and most of us only eat that for breakfast...
Yes, I miss grain. Bread is a great carrier for butter. Dave's Organic 21 grain bread with organic pasture butter sliced thick like cheese is better than any doughnut on the planet.

Noodles with marinara, or alfredo.

Rice with curry.

The flip side is being able to lose or maintain a healthy weight, better digestion, fewer aches in your joints, etc. When I feel better and my energy level is higher is when I reflect on why I eat the way I do.

Grain is delicious, but the types and forms most people consume them in is junk food.

Bought a bag of non GMO organic sprouted spelt flour the other day. Hopefully Living Food will help evaluate my purchase.
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Yes, I miss grain. Bread is a great carrier for butter. Dave's Organic 21 grain bread with organic pasture butter sliced thick like cheese is better than any doughnut on the planet.

Noodles with marinara, or alfredo.

Rice with curry.

The flip side is being able to lose or maintain a healthy weight, better digestion, fewer aches in your joints, etc. When I feel better and my energy level is higher is when I reflect on why I eat the way I do.

Grain is delicious, but the types and forms most people consume them in is junk food.

Bought a bag of non GMO organic sprouted spelt flour the other day. Hopefully Living Food will help evaluate my purchase.
Well yes, of course we all miss the foods that we have become accustomed to, or those which we can no longer eat...

I have noticed this a lot.. I mean, I used to love eating "healthy" and then just letting lose on weekends... Know what I mean? However, apparently "binge" anything is actually worse than if you had actually done the same thing for the whole week?

Is there any truth in that? "Binge" whatever, is actually way worse for you, than actually doing it in moderation in the first place?
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Each morning you imbibe a trinity of unhealthy items:
coffee -- promotes acidity, addictive, lots of caffeine that jolts that central nervous system
creamer/milk -- also promotes acidity and it actually causes your body to leach out calcium from the bones because of all the acidity, promotes cancer, it likely contains rBgh in the USA if is not organic and cow puss
sugar -- promotes tooth decay, it leeches nutrients from the body, etc.

What I do instead of this is drink Teeccino, which is a coffee replacement made largely of barley, figs, etc., with almond milk and Nunaturals white stevia powder(this brand is non-bitter). It tastes just like coffee, actually even better, and it does not promote disease or cause addiction. Sadly alot of posters in this forum want to pretend what they do out of habituation is healthy, rather than actually doing what is more healthy.
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1) coffee -- promotes acidity, addictive, lots of caffeine that jolts that central nervous system
2) milk -- also promotes acidity and it actually causes your body to leach out calcium from the bones because of all the acidity, promotes cancer, it likely contains rBgh in the USA if is not organic and cow puss
sugar -- promotes tooth decay, it leeches nutrients from the body, etc.

3) Sadly alot of posters in this forum want to pretend what they do out of habituation is healthy, rather than actually doing what is more healthy.

1. Cold brewed, shade grown organic coffee is what I drink. Much lower in acid than hot brewed.

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What makes coffee research so confusing is that a lot of it is actually caffeine research. You see, researchers love isolating whole food constituents to avoid confounding variables. It�s easier to get a definitive result about caffeine than it is to get one about coffee, because coffee contains huge and diverse levels of antioxidant compounds. If you don�t, and coffee has a health effect, how do you know if it�s the caffeine or something else in coffee causing the effect? That�s helpful, but most of us are drinking coffee � not popping caffeine pills. So, while caffeine is definitely one of the main active compounds in coffee, it�s not the only one. Adjust your interpretation of �coffee� research accordingly.

That said, both caffeine and coffee have been shown to exert negative effects on insulin sensitivity. Not on insulin itself, though. As standalone substances (without a meal to accompany them), neither caffeine nor coffee have an independent effect on insulin secretion.
But insulin sensitivity, the efficiency with which your body handles incoming glucose? Yeah. Caffeine tends to reduce it. It�s not necessarily a terrible thing, though, when you consider why this occurs. Caffeine increases adrenaline, which increases lipolysis � the liberation of fatty acids from body fat. The increased sense of energy you get from coffee is partly caused by the increased availability of energy in the form of free fatty acids. Of course, an increase in free fatty acids shooting around your body causes a subsequent � and necessary � drop in insulin sensitivity to allow you to actually burn the fat. It all makes perfect sense when you consider the entire picture, but it sounds pretty scary out of context.

Despite all the clinical trials showing that acute intakes of caffeine and coffee tend to reduce insulin sensitivity, the overwhelming majority of the observational literature finds that coffee is linked to lower body weight and protection from type 2 diabetes. Heck, heavy coffee drinking is even linked to protection against non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, an affliction characterized by insulin resistance. And although what I�ve said about correlation and causation in the past holds true in this case (even though it�s supporting something that we might like), the connection is undeniably interesting, especially when you consider that heavy coffee drinking is universally lauded as unhealthy and that habitual coffee drinkers are probably more likely to smoke, stay up late, and eat bad food. Perhaps there is a mechanism there (one suggestion in the NAFLD paper is the antioxidant content of coffee).
People love to make brash judgements against coffee. Read more here.


2) Healthy milk is healthy provided you're not allergic to dairy or lactose intolerant, which I'm neither.

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Clean raw milk from pastured cows is a complete and properly balanced food. You could live on it exclusively if you had to. Indeed, published accounts exist of people who have done just that (5)(6). What's in it that makes it so great? Let's look at the ingredients to see what makes it such a powerful food (7).
Proteins

Our bodies use amino acids as building blocks for protein. Depending on who you ask, we need 20-22 of them for this task. Eight of them are considered essential, in that we have to get them from our food. The remaining 12-14 we can make from the first eight via complex metabolic pathways in our cells.
Raw cow's milk has all 8 essential amino acids in varying amounts, depending on stage of lactation (8). About 80% of the proteins in milk are caseins- reasonably heat stable and, for most, easy to digest. The remaining 20% or so are classed as whey proteins, many of which have important physiological effects (bioactivity) (9). Also easy to digest, but very heat-sensitive (10), these include key enzymes (11) (specialized proteins) and enzyme inhibitors, immunoglobulins (antibodies) (12), metal-binding proteins, vitamin binding proteins and several growth factors.
Current research is now focusing on fragments of protein (peptide segments) hidden in casein molecules that exhibit anti-microbial activity (13).
Lactoferrin (14), an iron-binding protein, has numerous beneficial properties including (as you might guess) improved absorption and assimilation of iron, anti-cancer properties and anti-microbial action against several species of bacteria responsible for dental cavities (15). Recent studies also reveal that it has powerful antiviral properties as well (16).
Two other players in raw milk's antibiotic protein/enzyme arsenal are lysozyme and lactoperoxidase (17). Lysozyme can actually break apart cell walls of certain undesirable bacteria, while lactoperoxidase teams up with other substances to help knock out unwanted microbes too.
The immunoglobulins, an extremely complex class of milk proteins also known as antibodies, provide resistance to many viruses, bacteria and bacterial toxins and may help reduce the severity of asthma symptoms (18). Studies have shown significant loss of these important disease fighters when milk is heated to normal processing temperatures (19).
Not to mention vitamin K2, which is nearly impossible to obtain outside of a supplement. Read more on raw milk here.


3) Yes there is. The high carb breakfast crowd comes to mind for me.
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Is there any truth in that? "Binge" whatever, is actually way worse for you, than actually doing it in moderation in the first place?
I think as a whole, yes.

Thankfully, there is research supporting the occasional 'carb re-feed' after a strenuous workout.


Read about it here.

Part of the allure of the Primal eating plan is that it’s effortless. There’s no calorie counting, no stressing over macronutrient intakes – eating PB simply means choosing to eat real, whole foods that man has been eating for tens of thousands of years. You can go higher carb or lower carb (I initially recommend low carb, just because it makes losing weight and stabilizing your metabolism incredibly easy, especially for folks coming off the SAD), and as long as you’re eating real foods you’ll be getting healthier and losing body fat.


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