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I'm not that knowledgeable of The Bible, but even using my concordance I cannot find any references to electronics.
The Book of Revelation was written in 50AD and electricity had not been invented. The reference to a Mark, which everybody will be required to have in order to buy and sell, cant come about until cash is cancelled by the Banksters.
Revelation states there will be a World government headed by one man who is decribed as the anti-Christ, demanding world wide worship and the mark as a sign of spiritual ownership by him. Revelation also warns all who accept the mark are acknowledging this man as God incarnate, which is blasphemy to Christians, and means eternal consequences.

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But what is new is more dam tax! to pay for crap I dont want.

they didn't mention chips though, Mad Scientist? If it was there Mercola would have been all over it.
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I fail to see (and I read the bill) how this is really supposed to benefit anyone? I mean easier identification or whatever.. But really... I don't know...

I think it's more for control.. And to track you down after.. You ever saw the movie REPO MEN? They basically went after someone for payment of an organ they had transplanted and they used chips.. If you didn't pay for that new heart, liver etc, or missed a payment, they would rip it out of you and give it to someone else... A REALLY scary movie that might actually come to pass given the way things are going now...
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HR 3200 was a strawman. What about HR 3962 ?

Submitted by Lysiandad on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 21:56. Permalink
HR 3200 was a strawman. What about HR 3962 ?
Btw: careful, there are two distinct bills with unrelated content sharing the same 3962 number, strangely enough. I question only one of the two, see below.
HR 3200 was their first attempt. Snopes.com STILL mentions it as a fallacious excuse for "conspiracy theorists".
Folks, we focus a lot on either HR 3200 (obsolete, never passed) or HR 3590 (passed).
HOWEVER.
As it turns out I can read English and I did read ... HR 3962, which has passed the House :
https://housedocs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_Amer...
(What does "engrossed bill" mean, btw ? I'm not familiar with that part of the legalese. I'm not even a citizen yet, still learning about your texts and processes.)
And it's in this HR 3962 that the "class II devices" phrasing replaces the former of HR 3200 which was more explicit about RFID devices.
Read again, it's in plain English, after all :
"... may include, as the Secretary determines appropriate and specifies in regulation, a class II device that is life-supporting or life-sustaining."
As a software engineer, bear with me, I am extremely attentive to punctuation.
Two important commas above, and what's in between, in there.
How do you think the Secretary in charge will proceed to "determine appropriate" the above criteria ?
I don't know for sure if this has force of law but IT DOES rely on one specific individual's interpretation. In THEIR office.
What does this tell you :
1. WHY didn't they write, as another, oh so naive! alternative :
"as the doctor and/or patient determines appropriate"
?
(I'd have been PERFECTLY fine with that, assuming I also keep my freedom to choose my doctor, too)
But ... Er.. Sorry, no. Instead, it's gonna be the Secretary.
2. WHO defines the nomenclature of devices classes ? Well... the FDA. Is the FDA independent from the government ? I'm not sure.
(cf. FDA nomenclature on class II devices anyway)
PLEASE someone PROVE to me this version above of HR 3962 IS INDEED obsolete and without effect.
It is all I want ... To be really reassured.
Thanks.
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Hmmm....this is frightening - https://www.kuleuven.ac.be/fortand/MF...06_RFID_01.pdf

Embedding a chip in a molar - to make it easier to identify in the event of a bombing, tsunami...what are they planning?


Seems that it is very important for the government to know where each and every one of its citizens are--or will be in the future? Some people are going as far as to get rid of their citizenship: https://www.nationalrepublicregistry.....15.000001.pdf


Some very interesting reads in Popular Science concerning chips: https://www.popsci.com/taxonomy/term/25212/all

IBM's Digital Billboard Displays Individualized Ads By Reading the RFID Data in Your Wallet

By Clay Dillow Posted 08.02.2010 at 11:43 am 9 Comments

Japanese company NEC wowed technophiles and horrified privacy advocates earlier this year with electronic billboards that use facial recognition technology to identify the age and gender of passers-by, tailoring the ads they display to fit the demographic. Now IBM researchers in the UK are taking that notion even further, taking advantage of new technologies to delve deeper into the personal data of people on the street, tailoring advertisements that can even call the subject by name.

(I wonder if chips can alter the person. Can the person with the implant, somehow be programmed to go crazy and do crazy outlandish acts on demand?) Is it in the works now? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0706150626.htm Worms today - your neighbor tomorrow? Why all this technology for CONTROL? Does it somehow tie in with the proliferation of "cell" towers on just about every street corner? Yet your phone STILL DROPS A LOCAL CALL? Hmmm.....

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-01/mind-readers


May it ISN'T alzheimer's, ADD, etc., that some are troubled with. Testing of implants?
Scientists Use Precise Flashes of Light to Implant False Memories in Fly Brains https://www.popsci.com/science/articl...s-brains-flies



Now WHY would anyone need to implant false memories?
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Hmmm....this is frightening - https://www.kuleuven.ac.be/fortand/MF...06_RFID_01.pdf

Embedding a chip in a molar - to make it easier to identify in the event of a bombing, tsunami...what are they planning?


Seems that it is very important for the government to know where each and every one of its citizens are--or will be in the future? Some people are going as far as to get rid of their citizenship: https://www.nationalrepublicregistry.....15.000001.pdf


Some very interesting reads in Popular Science concerning chips: https://www.popsci.com/taxonomy/term/25212/all

IBM's Digital Billboard Displays Individualized Ads By Reading the RFID Data in Your Wallet

By Clay Dillow Posted 08.02.2010 at 11:43 am 9 Comments

Japanese company NEC wowed technophiles and horrified privacy advocates earlier this year with electronic billboards that use facial recognition technology to identify the age and gender of passers-by, tailoring the ads they display to fit the demographic. Now IBM researchers in the UK are taking that notion even further, taking advantage of new technologies to delve deeper into the personal data of people on the street, tailoring advertisements that can even call the subject by name.
You've never seen the movie "12 Monkeys" have you? They used the chip in the molar to track and to communicate.

Scary when you think that soon we'll all be able to have an app on our phone that allows us to see everyone else and where they are, what they are doing and their current actions..

Privacy my friends, is at an end.. Any privacy we currently have is kind of an illusion already, think about how much of your private information really isn't private anymore? This is just bringing it into the lime light so to speak.
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You've never seen the movie "12 Monkeys" have you? They used the chip in the molar to track and to communicate.

Scary when you think that soon we'll all be able to have an app on our phone that allows us to see everyone else and where they are, what they are doing and their current actions..

Privacy my friends, is at an end.. Any privacy we currently have is kind of an illusion already, think about how much of your private information really isn't private anymore? This is just bringing it into the lime light so to speak.
And many, sad to say, will welcome it with open arms...or mouths ;o

For it just WOULD NOT be used against us, or so they will believe. It's coming up fast, too.

(checking my dental xrays now. but I did have a filling AFTER the films were done. Need to check into this

And the "enemy" will be safely shrouded in their LEADED rooms -- read something once that the whole bruhaha over lead paint was to stop the use since many spy machines cannot "see" past it. Foods for thought - or just conspiracytheory ramblings. NOT mine, tho. Things I just find on the webs. That wireless will NOT work within LEAD rooms. Some people claim neither will EMF - in the event of an attack of some type with those frequencies. If you are in a leaded room/home/etc. Chances are you are ok. So they say.

Some claim there were NEVER children that ran around eating paint chips and becoming ill. But that it did help to say that in order for ALL LEAD to be banned from public use. Lead paint chips being eaten by children? Strange! But given fluoride and aluminum and THOSE are deemed safe. Strange, isn't it?

Interesting! Copper and silver-impregnated paints are available for those who wish to block EM frequencies.
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And many, sad to say, will welcome it with open arms...or mouths ;o

For it just WOULD NOT be used against us, or so they will believe. It's coming up fast, too.

(checking my dental xrays now. but I did have a filling AFTER the films were done. Need to check into this

And the "enemy" will be safely shrouded in their LEADED rooms -- read something once that the whole bruhaha over lead paint was to stop the use since many spy machines cannot "see" past it. Foods for thought - or just conspiracytheory ramblings. NOT mine, tho. Things I just find on the webs. That wireless will NOT work within LEAD rooms. Some people claim neither will EMF - in the event of an attack of some type with those frequencies. If you are in a leaded room/home/etc. Chances are you are ok. So they say.

Some claim there were NEVER children that ran around eating paint chips and becoming ill. But that it did help to say that in order for ALL LEAD to be banned from public use. Lead paint chips being eaten by children? Strange! But given fluoride and aluminum and THOSE are deemed safe. Strange, isn't it?

Interesting! Copper and silver-impregnated paints are available for those who wish to block EM frequencies.
Are you suggesting that the whole research and what-not into lead based paints being bad for you, was just a fairy-tale designed so that people would get rid of it so that we could be spied on

I wonder... I mean there have been other instances where they told us that somethign really wasn't good for us and this "medicine" was better, and the big pharmaceutical companies published it as gospel to drive sales, and then it was discovered by other research that the "something" was actually better and more effective than the medicine.. I guess time will tell, but I do know lead causes issues. I bet they were happy it did so they could keep their spy equipment running...
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Are you suggesting that the whole research and what-not into lead based paints being bad for you, was just a fairy-tale designed so that people would get rid of it so that we could be spied on

I wonder... I mean there have been other instances where they told us that somethign really wasn't good for us and this "medicine" was better, and the big pharmaceutical companies published it as gospel to drive sales, and then it was discovered by other research that the "something" was actually better and more effective than the medicine.. I guess time will tell, but I do know lead causes issues. I bet they were happy it did so they could keep their spy equipment running...
I sure was when I read a post suggesting the banning of lead paint in the US could have been due to the inability of certain technologies not being able to carry out their "missions" was a thinker for sure!!

When a test is done on a child *baby boomers were pretty much raised on/in lead, no?, does the SOURCE show up? Definite PAINT BASED traces of LEAD found in child? Of course the ITEM can be determined to have lead - maybe the child DID touch the item but how is lead poisoning actually determined by its source?

How many "chips" did the children ACTUALLY CONSUME and..why? I have a family member that grew up in a neighborhood of 100+ year old homes - just COVERED IN LEAD - and not ONE instance of any human actually EATING the paint chipping on window sills, walls, furniture. Nor any classmates becoming slow, learning disabled, held back a few grades. Where do they come up with this stuff? But how cruel one would be to argue with the Public Notice that Lead Paint is harming and killing our dear children!

Lead paint damages children (but NOT fluoride in water or mercury in teeth and vaccines? WTF) That Lead poisoning can cause learning disabilities, behavioral problems--IS THIS THE ISSUE NOW? For ld and behavioral problems are on THE RISE and there is NO LEAD PAINT to blame. So what is it now)https://www.cdc.gov/lead/

What about the dads/moms that LOVE HUNTING? Work with bronze/clay/stained glass in the home? Back yard radiator repairs where the children HELP out? Touch the clothing, breath the particles. (How many chips did these damaged kids eat for crying out loud? Really?)
And does anyone have their blood levels checked? BLL is ≥50 μg/dL means you have way too much lead...who even checks for this?

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) defines childhood lead poisoning as a whole-blood lead concentration equal to or greater than 10 micrograms/dL. So when are kids checked? Dx for ADHD, Autism, etc?? WHEN ARE CHILDREN CHECKED FOR LEAD? Was lead just conveniently blamed?

CDC recommends that BLL from work exposures be reduced to <25 μg/dL in all adults by 2010 as a preventive health measure--what about the other means?since it is estimated that 2%–3% of children with BLL ≥10 μg/dL reach those levels from “take-home”lead that is brought home from the workplace on the clothes or in the vehicles of their adult caregivers. But paint is BANNED because children just love EATING the paint chips?

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/programs/olpp...lt_testing.pdf

While trying to find some shred of input on HOW WERE THESE CHILDREN IN 1971 TESTED FOR LEAD? I came across the following when recently googling:

1303.5 Findings. - Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c...
(5) Former U.S. Surgeon-General Jesse L. Steinfeld, however, estimated in 1971 that 400,000 pre-school American children have elevated body lead burdens.

Screening for Elevated Lead Levels in Childhood and Pregnancy ...
www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/.../lead/leadsumap3.ht...
What Is the Prevalence of Elevated Lead in Children? The prevalence of elevated blood lead levels in the U.S. continues to decline ... of childbearing age, and over 400,000 pregnant women, had blood lead levels of >10 ....

PDF] Reducing Exposure to Lead - College of Engineering, Michigan ...
www.egr.msu.edu/tosc/dutchboy/factsheets/fs_lead.pdf
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Each year in the US, an estimated 3-4 million children under 6 years of age have blood lead levels over 15 ug/dl, and an estimated 400,000 fetuses are exposed to lead

I smell booship-- 400,000 piles of it.

A few months later, Timmy's doctor tested his blood during a routine checkup and found a high level of lead. His parents had not known that Timmy could get lead poisoning from lead dust as well as paint chips. Luckily, the problem was caught and treated early.

(My thoughts? Why in the heck did the doctor feel a NEED to test for lead in the first place? I was NEVER checked? Nor were any of my five siblings - even during the SCARE)
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Hmmmm, maybe that was the PLAN!!! (teasing, but you gotta wonder sometimes!) Didn't they use xray to fit kids' shoes? Way back when? Now? To test for cancer in our lady bits. MAKES NO SENSE!

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Oh tick - I remember- and I am not sure why - a girl bringing a dime to each class, that was coated in mercury. What that class was studying, I am not sure. I was in fourth grade and this was a sixth grader that brought it to our class.

All the kids
were allowed to hold the dime and feel how the mercury made it feel slippery. Learned absolutely NOTHING with that, lemme tell 'ya!!


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And here's a question, just WHY is BP dumping Mercury into lake Michigan???
It is a refinery. EPA allowed it. I just wonder how much BP paid to get this allowed?
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BP Permitted to Dump Mercury in Lake Michigan?


USA Today reports that BP has been given permission by the Indiana Department of Environmental Management (?) to continue to dump mercury into Lake Michigan. A 1995 federal regulation prohibits this; BP's Indiana permit is a continued exemption. BP reports dumping 3 POUNDS of mercury into Lake Michigan each year from 2002 to 2005. 3 POUNDS of mercury each of those years.
Mercury is a neurotoxin; our region already has warnings about consumption of our own fish, especially for pregnant women and children.

Lake Michigan has a retention period of 99 YEARS, according to EPA figures. This means that each year's dump of 3 pounds of mercury is added to BP's previous dumpings. None of us will live to see this mercury leave Lake Michigan to Lake Huron, then to Lake St. Clair, then Lake Erie, then Lake Ontario, then finally into the St. Lawrence river. After its 99 years in Lake Michigan, it'll spend 22 in Lake Huron, a "quick" 2.6 in Lake Erie, and 6 in Lake Ontario.

Four states in our region border Lake Michigan. No matter which you live in, or if you live in a state that will eventually have this toxin in its water, or if you're outside our region, it's time to speak up. Letters to the editor, facebook (where I first heard about the dumping), don't stay silent. A mercury-free Lake Michigan, with its current 1069 votes in our facebook poll, is worth some words, letters, postings. How about if each 1,069 voters (so far) writes a letter? THAT would send a message.

Written by Becky Hammond
https://sierraclubgreatlakes.blogspot...y-in-lake.html

More informing reads:
https://www.hgtech.com/Basic/back.html
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...-mercury_N.htm (I love this: "
Indiana officials said the amount of mercury released by BP was minor.
"The permitted levels will not affect drinking water, recreation or aquatic life," Indiana Department of Environmental Management Commissioner Thomas Easterly told the Chicago Tribune.
BP said it doubted that any municipal sewage treatment plant or industrial plant could meet the stringent federal standards." Whatev...)
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Hmmmm, maybe that was the PLAN!!! (teasing, but you gotta wonder sometimes!) Didn't they use xray to fit kids' shoes? Way back when? Now? To test for cancer in our lady bits. MAKES NO SENSE!



Oh tick - I remember- and I am not sure why - a girl bringing a dime to each class, that was coated in mercury. What that class was studying, I am not sure. I was in fourth grade and this was a sixth grader that brought it to our class.

All the kids
were allowed to hold the dime and feel how the mercury made it feel slippery. Learned absolutely NOTHING with that, lemme tell 'ya!!


Yes, I remember my grandmother telling me how they used to X-Ray to fit shoes as it was supposed to work better. However, if it was supposed to cause sterility, you woulda thought they would use it to fit underwear...

Anyway, one of the suspicions is that her addisons was attributed to the X-Rays they used to get for shoes... My big question to that is... How the F often did they get fitted for shoes, that it would be an issue?

Hmmm.... The thing with Mercury... That is strange...

Back to BP dumping Mercury into Lake Michigan, they probably paid a nice sum for that... Just makes you wonder though, maybe some kind of research too. There are levels of mercury in most seafood around the world, maybe they wanted a controlled study....
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I read that toothpaste was once contained in some lead tube? Must look for more info! The BEST way to STOP something? - concern for the babies.

My GOD, who would want to harm a child?

I read *in fact I have a Life Magazine from the 50s - LEAD paint was the STRONGEST, LASTING, MOST DURABLE paint on earth. Possibly why certain 'things' can't penetrate it. How is all this flaking, dust and chipping even possible? It is conceivable that a chip/flake could fall into a crib, playpen, etc., to be eaten--by hundreds of thousands. But what about LEAD solder on lead pipes? See any digging going on to CHANGE THAT?? mmmmm, I don't know...I believe there was a different reason for ALL THE LEAD to be removed from homes, businesses and possibly the very air. Other than it causes brain damage. I have read the inflammation from many childhood vaccines do too - and no one is pushing the end of those.

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child, fetuses, and pregnant women all had high levels of lead? Seems questionable, to me. I don't know. Red flags. Bells. Alarms. DOUBT.

Sorry this RFID chip is turning into a LEAD thing...I wonder if THOSE chips contain lead? ;0
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Not enough lead in paint to block anything. If one wanted metallic walls, aluminum foil would be the cheapest route.

Spying through walls is far more difficult than the MSM (even the alt media) would have you believe.
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Not enough lead in paint to block anything. If one wanted metallic walls, aluminum foil would be the cheapest route.

Spying through walls is far more difficult than the MSM (even the alt media) would have you believe.
I have seen heat signatures used pretty effectively by Military, Spec OPS and even local law enforcement.

While it doesn't give you facial details, it tells you what's warm and moving around. Of course, if you just decided to raise the temperature in the room to ambient body temperature they would be SOL and not be able to see squat lol.

But if they don't, then spying through walls by utilizing heat signatures works pretty well...

Of course, this is the big fear, by having the chip they won't need to "see" through the walls, they will be able to just pick up your signal and know what room of a house you are in.

One thing most people don't realize about these chips though is they have a limited range, you either need to be able to pick up the signal or be able to send a signal strong enough to pick it up.

So, in theory, they will need to be pretty damned close to you to read the thing. IE through an airport scanner, or maybe door scanner etc. In that way, I could see if being able to track your every move, but if you walked into a store say, and exited through a window, then they would think you are still in the store.

Lots of interesting things to think about... That, or I have seen too many movies lol.

However, I'll be more concerned when "Futurama" becomes more of a reality. The chips there were "career" chips. So when they say you need a chip to get a job, then we can effectively call it the "mark of the beast" I guess. I don't know.

On the one hand it will be incredibly convenient. And barring losing your hand (or whatever they chip) you don't need to worry about misplacing your banking, medical etc information. imagine not having to carry a wallet around? I think it would cut down on crime quite a bit, as they would have to take your whole hand in order to use it. And they can't very well walk into a store or wherever and use a severed hand to pay for something can they
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IR equipment doesn't see through walls, sorry.

Been using IR equipment for two decades.
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