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\r\n \r\n At the top of my head, I\'ve warmed up to acupuncture and chiropractics. While I dont\'t believe their basic teachings at all ( and I\'m pretty sure a lot of chiropractors don\'t take that too seriously either), acupuncture has been proven effective. Chiropractics is more tricky, since there are good ones and bad ones. I know some of them are capable of doing effective manipulations, but others have done plain damage.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I am skeptical about all treatments, but I do not hate anyone as a result of that. I see fraudulent treatments on both sides of medicine.
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\nOne of the biggest in conventional medicine is Flu vaccination, which the unbiased studies demonstrate little to no benefit, with some risk. Plus the fact that no one ever compares the unvaccinated populations to the vaccinated to see if any benefit is actually experienced.
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\nI would be happy to have a doctor to bounce stuff of of. I may or may not believe you, but I can be convinced with solid evidence.
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\nHappy to have you here. I hope you are thick skinned, as most of us have been misled by doctors more than once in the past. It is nothing personal, as there are good an bad doctors, like anything else.
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\nDan\r\n

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\r\n \r\n This\'ll be a quick reply before bedtime. I\'m from Norway, and it\'s getting pretty late.
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\nI\'m not sure if you\'re thinking of the regular flu vaccine or the swine flu vaccine that has been all the rage lately. As for the first one I\'ll have to look through some proper studies, but here\'s what a quick check on pubmed got me: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17167134
\nIt shows benefit from vaccination, even against the mutated virus.
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\nAs for the swine flu, I can say that given the circumstances, they tried their best. The thing is, the swine flu is H1N1. H and N denotes two proteins the virus uses to attack the host, and the number denotes varieations of these proteins. That 1918 flu epidemic was also H1N1, and it killed a LOT of people. Now there was good reasons to expect this one to become as aggressive as the 1918 one, so they tried to make a vaccine ASAP. Now luckily, the flu outbreak didn\'t turn out to be so bad, and we can now discuss whether or not that vaccine was really necessary given the risk/benefit ratio.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I was thinking of any Flu vaccine. I will check out your link. I would like to get to the bottom of this, but I can find no convincing evidence that they do much at all. It is not like I have not looked, but possibly you have access to more studies than I have at hand.
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\nIt would be a simple matter to prove it one way or another, but it is never done. That makes it rather suspicious since this is not exactly a hard measure to make.
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\nDan\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Explain to me how they determine prevention of the Flu, when they only measure antibodies, or is there more to the study that is not reflected here?
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\nAntibody production is not the same as immunity. Maybe they measured clinical symptoms, but I do not see it in the study.
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\nAgain, there is no comparison to an unvaccinated group.
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\nDan\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack welcome. No, we are not upset you are here and are quite happy. Please try to understand a few basics about most of us.
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\n1) Some drugs are ok, but when it comes to serious diseases, we view big pharma as a whore with products that are forced.
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\n2) Statins: OK, they lower cholesterol, but not the heart disease rate. Even many experts behind the scenes say they are useful in less than 2 percent of the population.
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\n3) Antibiotics: a necessary evil, but way way overprescribed.
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\n4) Cancer: Chemo: nasty and makes things worse, Radiation the same.
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\n5) ALL of us are also upset about legislation to remove vitamins/herbs/control what we can grow and give away etc.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hello Drack,
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\nI do have an important question to ask you, and I am glad to have you here to comment on it.
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\nMy wife has some kind of problem with her left ovary. She has had this for years, and it pops up now and then when I treat her for Lyme Disease using an unapproved frequency treatment. When I run a certain frequency, she can feel it in her ovary, and it will bleed after the treatment. This can also happen without any intervention from me, but she does not always mention it to me.
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\nIt is likely some kind of infection that has been there for longer than ten years. I am going to try again to get her to a doctor to have it diagnosed, but she an be stubborn about things like that.
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\nWhat infections can affect the ovary, as far as what is most likely and what is not so likely. I do not believe it is cancer, as she would likely be dead already, if it was. I also made her take a pregnancy test, as that will sometimes give an indication of cancer. It was negative.
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\nThank you for any insight you can provide, or from anyone else for that matter.
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\nDan\r\n

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\r\n \r\n These are laws that would effectively ban the sale of all vitamins, herbs, etc. that are used in natural medicine.
\n This is done supposedly to insure public safety, which of course sounds good, but the effect is that gives the drug companies a monopoly on the sale of all drugs.
\n You can check out Liverock�s post for a little more info.
\n https://www.natmedtalk.com/general-di...ne-europe.html
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\n Regarding the use of chemo and radiation to cure cancer, well yes they will definitely kill cancer cells. But they are also known to cause cancerous cells. So how do we determine if they are killing more cancer cells then they are creating?
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\n It is my understanding that we all have cancer cells sloshing around in our bodies all the time. However our immune system is "hopefully" busily at work searching them out and destroying them. It is only when the immune system becomes overwhelmed that we say a person has cancer. But here is were I have a problem it would seem to me that if a person has cancer the very last thing that should be done for them is to kill off what is left of their immune system, which is what chemo apparently does. So the patient is left with the prospect of seeing if the chemo will kill his cancer cells before it kills him.
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\n Oh yes by the way to the forum. I�m sure your insight will be appreciated.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n My understanding of Cancer comes from what once was researched regarding Cancer, but no longer is in fashion.
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\nCancer is often, but possibly not always, caused by a pleomorphic pathogen that can have characteristics of a virus, and a bacteria. Cryptococcus neoformans could be the actualfungus, or at least it closely resembles what has been described by researchers that have actually seen it under a microscope. I am not going by my own research. but past and present researchers that delve in this stuff.
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\nWhat I do know is that there are people treating cancer with specific frequencies that greatly reduce the amount of cancer, and previous work indicate it is a pathogen on some kind that causes at least some types.
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\nOnce a person has Cancer, they are likely to have it reoccur as this pathogen is common, and only when it enters a certain stage is it a cancer causing agent. It likely is a metabolic problem that causes it to enter this stage, and as long as that metabolic problem exists, the Cancer will reform, even if it is all eliminated by whatever means, at one time.
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\nThat is where I am at on this, but I am not an expert.
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\nMost of this work was done by Gruner, Glover, Rife, and Livingston quite some time ago. It is still being investigated by one person in Germany, who has the ability to observe the pathogen under a microscope.
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\nDan\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I don\'t have access to the full article at the moment, but they way I see it they didn\'t use antibodies to determine immunity, but rather as an indicator of whether a person had gotten the disease or not. They also used a few other methods, like isolating the virus in cultures (most likely from swab samples of the throat) and test their RNA.
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\r\nHere is a good study, if you can access it: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/o/coc...269/frame.html
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\r\nIt shows that the flu vaccine has an effect, but a minimal one. For that reason it shouldn\'t be used for mass vaccination, but considered for higher risk individuals. And that\'s how it\'s generally done in Norway, at least. Please also take note that it addresses the issue of pharma-funded studies being less reliable. I want to mention this because some peole seem to think we\'re just the puppets of the pharma industry.
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\r\n@saved1986:
\r\n1: Big pharma is certainly evil, but I\'d like to hear some more specifics about what drugs you approve/disapprove of.
\r\n2: Statins lower cholesterol, and yeah, the role of cholesterol in heart disease is somewhat debated. While high cholesterol IS correlated with high risk of cardiovascular disease, one can argue whether it truly is causetive or not. But statins do something else as well, it turns out. They appear to stabilize the insides of the arterial wall, reducuing the risk of a atherosclerotic plaque rupturing and causing myocardial infarction, stroke, or clots elsewhere.
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\r\n3: Agreed about overprescription. Dunno why it\'s evil, though, after all it saves lots of lives when used correctly.
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\r\n4: Chemo is nasty. But it is nastier to cancer cells than the rest of the body, and can potentially rid cancer completely, depending on the type. Most often though, it only serves to prolong life. Thing is, chemo kills cancer cells very effectively, something like 99,99%. But cancer is not like bacteria, where the remainder can be taken out by the immune system. All it takes is one single cancer cell to be left behind, and it will multiply and the cancer will return.
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\r\n5: I am unfamiliar with this, care to explain?\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack, I have seen an alternative form of therapy called macrobiotics work in cancer. I have heard from highly educated people about something called Hoxsey therapy work also. Chemo is actually useless against many types of cancers, it works great on testicular cancer and a few other rare cancers, but for lung, colon, pancreatic, it has little effect.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Unfortunately most Doctors dispensing drugs appear to rely on what Pharma reps tell them and dont bother to check studies themselves. Blood pressure drugs are a case in point.
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\nThe ALLHAT Study testing various types of BP drugs, had to withdraw Doxazosin, an Alpha Blocker blood pressure drug. The organisers quoted, " It increased CHF by 200% and cardiovascular disease by 25% and was no more effective than a diuretic." Ace Inhibitors where also found to be no more effective than diuretics as well in the same study.
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\nOther studies have also shown that Calcium Blockers can increase heart failure.
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\nWhat bothers me is doctors still merrily prescribe these drugs that are meant to prolong life, and in most instances are shortening patients lives by causing heart failure. Thats a pretty serious side effect.
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\nThe BMJ did an article on all this including an interview with the Doxazosin publicity chief who agreed the drug can increase heart failure but laughed it off saying, "Doctors will still prescribe it, they never prescribe diruretics these days!"
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\nHe was dead right they still do.
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\nhttps://www.bmj.com/content/326/7381/170.1/suppl/DC1\r\n

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\r\n \r\n if you\'re really a medical doctor, I assume you won\'t be spending too much time in the nutrition section of this forum....
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\nseriously, though, welcome to the forums. I\'m pretty new here myself.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n You and I will never see eye to eye as we are on opposite sides. You believe in vaccines and I am totally against them. Same goes for chemo, radiation, mammography, bypass, and the whole system of treating symptoms rather than repairing the cause.
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\nYou believe in prescription drugs because that is what you were taught, while I think that makes you a drug pusher.
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\nAccording to Dr. Joel Wallach, the average American doctor lives to the ripe old age of 56. Why should we take advice from someone who lives to age 56?
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\nYes doctor, if you really are a doctor, you\'re in the wrong forum.
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\nNo hard feelings.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack, you are more than welcome on our forum and it is very nice to have you. As for the negative feelings towards MDs on this forum, please to understand:
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\n1) For every article you can pull up on chemo, we can pull one up against it.
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\n2) Many alternative medicines that have been shown to work and which are natural are pulled from the market. We had something available in the US until 8-10 months ago called Kombucha *(a specific brand called GT) which was great and helped many people. If you drank 1/2 bottle you noticed a normalizing effect, but the govt forced it off the market (they said there was alcohol in it, but it was like 1 percent). They brought it back on the market, but it is basically a dead vs an alive product.
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\n3) MY PERSONAL VIEW: I have had 2 aunts dies of cancer. One was a chain smoker and died at 71. She was having some problems and they wanted to giver her chemo. She was not thrilled with the idea, she gets a first dose, gets worse the next day and dies a couple days later. The other aunt was on prednisone for asthma and came down with cancer (prednisone knocks out the immune system). They said it spread and gace her radistion. After 3 days of radiation she quit it and was dead in 3 weeks.
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\n4) Statins: nasty, side effects, and a huge money maker for the drug companies.
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\nPlease keep in mind, the US is not Norway and many many people here are on multitudes of different pills for everything. The drug companies are happy.
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\nAlso, there is book you must read: Spontaneous Healing by Dr. Andrew Weil. He is a harvard MD who decised to pursue alternative medicine and he says in his practice he uses prescription drugs in less than 10% of cases and advocates lifestyle changes, herbs, vitamins etc.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n https://www.naturalnews.com/030987_Mi...at_cancer.html\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Wow, lots of replies, it gets hard to keep up. I don\'t have time to answer them all right now, but I\'ll get on it tonight \r\n

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\r\n \r\n Ok, I\'ll start with the issue of cancer.
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\nCancer is caused by mutated DNA in your own cells. Mutations may happen every time cells replicate, when they have to copy their DNA and an error happens. This error can happen simply because our DNA replication system is not perfect, or because of DNA damage by agents that are known to cause cancer. Usually a muation won\'t do much, if anything it will render the cell useless. But once in a while a mutation happens that causes the cell to divide rapidly. In normally conditions the cells will divide orderly and in a controlled fashion, but these cancerous cells will divide wildly, eventually forming a lump.
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\nThe idea that microcancers happen all the time is as far as I know a theory, but it does make some sense as immunocompromised patients tend to have a higher risk to some cancers. In any case, cancer cells aren\'t as easy for the immune system to target, since they are essentially the cells of the host, which the immune system is programmed to NOT kill.
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\nThere\'s a lot of more details to it than this, but I hope this gives a good general idea. Please ask if something is unclear.
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\nThen there\'s chemo. Chemo DOES kill cancer cells effectively, but as I mentioned, it doesn\'t cure you if it only kills 99,99% of cancer cells, because it only takes one surviving cell for it to return. And that one cell would logically be one of the most resistant ones. So when it keeps growing and the tumor returns, there\'s a good chance the second round of chemo will have less effect, since the new cells are grown from the resistant one. And so the cycle continues, until chemo no longer has an effect.
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\nNow I want to be clear on one thing: Chemo is hard on the body. Really hard, to the point where it kills people. All doctors know this. That\'s why we always have to try and determine if the patient will be able to handle it, and whether the good effects will outweigh the bad. And in the end, it will be all up to the patient if he or she will want to go through it. It can offer complete cure in some cases, but most often it is used to prolong life.
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\nhttps://www.squidoo.com/dangersofstatindrugs
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\nAlso, in the US at least they use to load menopausal and post menopausal ladies up with estrogen. Many issues occurred with that.
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\nThe drug companies come up with new drugs when their older ones go ex-patent and then they also suddenly after 17 yrs, have found side effects so they can pull their older drugs off the market.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Ok, some more about chemo and radiation: Yeah, they increase risk of getting cancer. But when they are used, the patient already has cancer, and will die from it if nothing is done. So the increased risk of developing some other cancer in the future is not a major concern in those circumstances. It\'s not like chemo/radiation creates lots of cancer cells every time it\'s used.\r\n

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\nWhy do most patients not respond to chemo in a positive way.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Do you mean why most people get such horrible side effects? It\'s because chemo is a toxin that hurts the whole body, but it hurts the cancer cells more. Not very nice, but the problem is that cancer cells are very similar to the normal cells of the body - hell, they are created from normal cells! Because of this similarity it\'s extra hard to make a drug that targets only cancer cells and not normal cells.
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\r\nTo compare with antibiotics: In the case of a bacteria, for example, they have their own metabolic system that differs from ours, so you can make a drug that blocks an enzyme found in the bacteria, but not in the human body. This will kill the bacteria, but leave the human cells unhurt.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Cancer cells do have differences there is no reason why they cannot come up with drugs to target those differences. Except that treating cancer is a huge multibillion dollar industry.
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\nAnd I do not mean just the side effects of the chemo drugs but there effectiveness. What percent of patients actually respond in a positive manner (and I mean how many get better for an extended period of time, please ignore childhood leukemia and testicular cancer from this). (And yes, they have done better with breast cancer recently.)\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack, the debunk of alternative medical claims is highly financed by the drug companies and AMA. Please read Andrew Weil, he is an MD that will use meds but preferes alternative.
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\nAs an MD you are great at sewing up people hurt in an accident.
\nTreating many bacterial infections.
\nDiagnosing
\nKeeping diabetes under control (to an extent)
\nImmunizing against certain diseases.
\nControlling hypertension and regulating heart rhythm
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\nModern medicine fails at
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\r\n \r\n As for the debunk, fair enough, but in that case I\'d have to hear some source from Wallach, since he\'s making an absurd claim. After all, he himself has financial interests in sowing doubts about conventional medicine.
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\r\nThat list you provide seems reasonable enough. It\'s no secret that there is a lot left to discover. Not so sure about prevention though, as vaccination does that pretty well. And I\'m hesitant to say medicine fails completely at the other areas, but it\'s certainly not perfect.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Another thing: I\'m not going to debate every individual drug you find side effects of, because that will take forever. All drugs have side effects, that\'s why they\'re not over-the-counter. Our guidelines are always changing, and based on the studies that are continually made. These guidelines are there to ensure that drugs are given to patients where the positive effects would outweigh the bad. And once you get a drug, there\'s a little paper in the box that will inform you of the potential side effects.
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\nI\'m also aware that statins have a bunch of side effects. That\'s why you should be followed up when using them, and if you experience side effects, one can try a different type, or cut it out completely. And also, they should not be prescribed to just anyone, just the ones that may have benefit, like those with cardivascular disease.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n This is incorrect. All drugs have poisoning effects, not side effects.
\nTime to call things by their true name.
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\nWhite washing terms gets one nowhere.
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\nH pylori responds beautifully to ozonated water. Ive seen two cases personally, cured. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n It is very unlikely you will find mainstream medical doctors who will use ozone in the U.S. even though it is very popular in Europe, especially Germany.
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\nNorth American doctors use antibiotics for everything, and now we have super bugs that have become immune to antibiotics.
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\nIf you took away steroids and antibiotics from these doctors, they would have no treatment at all.
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\nI don\'t have a problem with surgery, especially emergency surgery, because this is where doctors\' shine. However, it is the other 95% of medicine that is a total disaster.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Everyone on the board has something to contribute and that includes you. People may not be happy with what everyone says (I personally do not believe in the MMS or in some things, other people do not buy my viewpoints on everything) but the purpose of this board is to post info and let the reader decide what is best for him or her. Or at least to put the info out there. I picked up a z-pack for my dad today, do I think he needs it, I do not know, but I know he has emphysema and I am not taking chances. 10 yrs ago a doc gave him a script for lipitor, I said no way and put him on a soluble fibre supplement (called profibe) and in 6 weeks his cholesterol went down 100 points.
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\nThe point being, everyone has different views on this board of the med profession (mine are quite negative, not against you, but against the system and greed in general)\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack: look up Hydrazine sulfate and cancer. Look at it with an open mind.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Btw, I\'d love to read Andrew Weil, but my reading list is so huge now I doubt I\'ll be able to get around to it.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n If you do get around to it, please read his book spontaneous healing. there is another book (not by weil) called The Cancer Industry. I assure you these two books will open your mind.
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\nAs for surgical procedures, sugical means mechanical problem. yes, like I said before docs do a great job with that. As molecular bio gains more knowledge, I do believe there will be cures for diabetes, but overall, (not daibetes) but many degenerative disorders respond better to alternative medicine. If someone has asthma, yes, they need albuterol occasionally, but eating a better diet, fish oil, turmeric, ginger root will help lessen the frequency of attacks etc.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Yeah, about the surgery I was responding to pinballdoctor\'s remark.
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\r\nIf by molecular biology you mean biochemistry, then yeah that is the basis for the current treatment of diabetes. Maybe one day a drug would be able to cure diabetes type 2, but there is no way a drug, alternative or not, will be able to fix diabetes type 1. In type 1, the beta cells that produce insulin are gone, dead. I hope the stem cell approach will continue to show promise though, because that would be awesome.
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\r\nAs for astma, remember that there are different degrees. Some may only need albuterol, whereas other has more severe astma that will need more treatment. That said, We would probably have less astma in the first place if people went outside more and took care of themselves.
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\r\nA good diet would benefit anyone, of course.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Drack: you have a nice day, I am getting ready to hit the st patricks day parade in Pittsburgh along with excessive alcohol consumption (and when I get into the city, I do drink european beer: Stella Artois The cure for everything!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hello Drack,
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\nI have been a nurse for 28 years and I am fully commited to alternative health. But I do not discount conventional medicine. It has its place..
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\nIt has its place in critical care and the emergeny room
\nand it has its place for those people who do not believe in alternatives.
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\nBelieving in what you are doing is essential to success as lack of belief will undermind
\ncompliance and be a detriment to the spirit, which inhibits the body in its healing.
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\nConventional medicine is also essential to those who lack the will to eat right and really take care of themselves or to re-educate themselves to living in accord with the natural process and nutritional needs of their bodies, mind and spirit.
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\nI have seen too many people die in my time from drug poisoning and lack of essential nutrients. And how many can I tell you died from constipation due to neglectful or ignorant doctors and nurses? Way to many. Such a basic thing... it is a shame.
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\nConventional medicine severely fails in regard to understanding and providing methods for the body to detox itself of heavy metals, pcbs, and other environmental toxins. It also severely fails to address a wide variety of pathogens that are detrimental to health, that they refuse to recognize, but are common knowledge to alternative practitioners as well as many physicians in Europe.
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\nI will give you a heads up. Conventional medicine and alternative medicine will blend.. it is coming and you will do best to prepare yourself. I do think you will see it in your time.. it is already happening and it is what the people want.
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\nSo I am right now down here in Mexico. I had a health concern and had to go to a hospital..
\nI was so impressed! The compassion projected and the time spent with me was amazing. I had a sonogram and consult with two physicians. The songram was done by a physician also, not a tech. The bill was $200 US total. The treatment was almost entirely natural and the doctor was stunned to find out that US doctors do not use what he was recommending as it is widely used everywhere else in the world. I looked all the things up.. they are legal in the US but no doctor I know uses them anyway... they were prepared out of natural substances, by Merck, no less.. in highly absorbable particles.
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\nAnyway, it will be good if you can stick with this forum as there are conventional medical questions that come up that are difficult for many of us to answer. This could be enlightening for all.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n By sheer luck, I received this private message from another forum, by someone who is in exactly the same position I was in, regarding an H-Pylori infection. Since it illustrates what happens so often, I thought it would be of interest.
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\nIt was the patient who did not beleive the tests, not the doctors. I am quite sure they "humored" her request with much scoffing. But she was right and they were wrong. She will never again have the confidence in her doctors that she had before.
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\nI also told her how I got rid of the infection, and if she chooses to try it, as she has the needed equipment, I am confident it will work. It certainly can be tested later to see if it does. If it does not work, it will do no harm, and she still has the harsher antibiotic route available to her.
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\nWe will see how this turns out.
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