This is incorrect. All drugs have poisoning effects, not side effects.
Time to call things by their true name.

White washing terms gets one nowhere.

H pylori responds beautifully to ozonated water. Ive seen two cases personally, cured.

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It is very unlikely you will find mainstream medical doctors who will use ozone in the U.S. even though it is very popular in Europe, especially Germany.

North American doctors use antibiotics for everything, and now we have super bugs that have become immune to antibiotics.

If you took away steroids and antibiotics from these doctors, they would have no treatment at all.

I don't have a problem with surgery, especially emergency surgery, because this is where doctors' shine. However, it is the other 95% of medicine that is a total disaster.

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Let Food Be Your Medicine And Medicine Be Your Food.(Hippocrates)

Everyone on the board has something to contribute and that includes you. People may not be happy with what everyone says (I personally do not believe in the MMS or in some things, other people do not buy my viewpoints on everything) but the purpose of this board is to post info and let the reader decide what is best for him or her. Or at least to put the info out there. I picked up a z-pack for my dad today, do I think he needs it, I do not know, but I know he has emphysema and I am not taking chances. 10 yrs ago a doc gave him a script for lipitor, I said no way and put him on a soluble fibre supplement (called profibe) and in 6 weeks his cholesterol went down 100 points.

The point being, everyone has different views on this board of the med profession (mine are quite negative, not against you, but against the system and greed in general)

Drack: look up Hydrazine sulfate and cancer. Look at it with an open mind.

Btw, I'd love to read Andrew Weil, but my reading list is so huge now I doubt I'll be able to get around to it.

If you do get around to it, please read his book spontaneous healing. there is another book (not by weil) called The Cancer Industry. I assure you these two books will open your mind.

As for surgical procedures, sugical means mechanical problem. yes, like I said before docs do a great job with that. As molecular bio gains more knowledge, I do believe there will be cures for diabetes, but overall, (not daibetes) but many degenerative disorders respond better to alternative medicine. If someone has asthma, yes, they need albuterol occasionally, but eating a better diet, fish oil, turmeric, ginger root will help lessen the frequency of attacks etc.

Yeah, about the surgery I was responding to pinballdoctor's remark.

If by molecular biology you mean biochemistry, then yeah that is the basis for the current treatment of diabetes. Maybe one day a drug would be able to cure diabetes type 2, but there is no way a drug, alternative or not, will be able to fix diabetes type 1. In type 1, the beta cells that produce insulin are gone, dead. I hope the stem cell approach will continue to show promise though, because that would be awesome.

As for astma, remember that there are different degrees. Some may only need albuterol, whereas other has more severe astma that will need more treatment. That said, We would probably have less astma in the first place if people went outside more and took care of themselves.

A good diet would benefit anyone, of course.

Drack: you have a nice day, I am getting ready to hit the st patricks day parade in Pittsburgh along with excessive alcohol consumption (and when I get into the city, I do drink european beer: Stella Artois The cure for everything!

Have fun, Stella is one of my favourite beers

Hello Drack,

I have been a nurse for 28 years and I am fully commited to alternative health. But I do not discount conventional medicine. It has its place..

It has its place in critical care and the emergeny room
and it has its place for those people who do not believe in alternatives.

Believing in what you are doing is essential to success as lack of belief will undermind
compliance and be a detriment to the spirit, which inhibits the body in its healing.

Conventional medicine is also essential to those who lack the will to eat right and really take care of themselves or to re-educate themselves to living in accord with the natural process and nutritional needs of their bodies, mind and spirit.

I have seen too many people die in my time from drug poisoning and lack of essential nutrients. And how many can I tell you died from constipation due to neglectful or ignorant doctors and nurses? Way to many. Such a basic thing... it is a shame.

Conventional medicine severely fails in regard to understanding and providing methods for the body to detox itself of heavy metals, pcbs, and other environmental toxins. It also severely fails to address a wide variety of pathogens that are detrimental to health, that they refuse to recognize, but are common knowledge to alternative practitioners as well as many physicians in Europe.

I will give you a heads up. Conventional medicine and alternative medicine will blend.. it is coming and you will do best to prepare yourself. I do think you will see it in your time.. it is already happening and it is what the people want.

So I am right now down here in Mexico. I had a health concern and had to go to a hospital..
I was so impressed! The compassion projected and the time spent with me was amazing. I had a sonogram and consult with two physicians. The songram was done by a physician also, not a tech. The bill was $200 US total. The treatment was almost entirely natural and the doctor was stunned to find out that US doctors do not use what he was recommending as it is widely used everywhere else in the world. I looked all the things up.. they are legal in the US but no doctor I know uses them anyway... they were prepared out of natural substances, by Merck, no less.. in highly absorbable particles.

Anyway, it will be good if you can stick with this forum as there are conventional medical questions that come up that are difficult for many of us to answer. This could be enlightening for all.

By sheer luck, I received this private message from another forum, by someone who is in exactly the same position I was in, regarding an H-Pylori infection. Since it illustrates what happens so often, I thought it would be of interest.

It is just an excerpt from the post, not the whole post in its entirely.

It was the patient who did not beleive the tests, not the doctors. I am quite sure they "humored" her request with much scoffing. But she was right and they were wrong. She will never again have the confidence in her doctors that she had before.

I also told her how I got rid of the infection, and if she chooses to try it, as she has the needed equipment, I am confident it will work. It certainly can be tested later to see if it does. If it does not work, it will do no harm, and she still has the harsher antibiotic route available to her.

We will see how this turns out.

Dan

I had a friend that said she solved her H. Pylori problem with yogurt and probiotic supplementation. Since h. pylori responds particularly well to Lactobacillus, I think VSL#3, which has strains that product lactic acid, would be good to completely overwhelm the system.

My recent experience with an Ear Nose Throat MD is clearly the action of the mainstream med world wanting to clear the symptoms and not treating the cause. Finally, we are working together on this, but initially she just wanted to find the right steroid or corticosteroid nasal spray that I could take for the rest of my life. All I wanted was allergy testing, but could not without going through her first. Of course, nothing worked for my 6 decades of sinus problems, even whatever I tried in the alt med world. Anyway, none of her sprays worked either. She did not testing, just guessing. I did tell her that I had a sinus infection, rare for me, and my GP gave me an antibacterial + antifungal which helped for 2 weeks. Then I ordered Diflucan (fluconozole) from out of the country (no prescription). That completely cleared the infection, but still lingering sinus congestion. She decided that I should be irradiated and get a CT scan. I agreed. It was chronic sinusitis. With my relating the story of flucozanole, she agreed that it must be due to fungus. After nebulizing with flucozanole and saline solution for 3 weeks, I am better than ever. Just occasional mild congestion that is easily managed. So, it takes a good diagnostician to figure these things out, then very good test equipment to confirm. After this, I will nebulize with colloidal silver, which I should have tried in the first place. I certainly drink enough of the stuff, and have for years.

My other recent MD experience was due to infrastructure, and I was not going to try alternatives for that. My 5 year internal hemorrhoids prolapsed with bleeding and oozing pus. Result hemorrhoidectomy, pain pills, and sitz baths. I think he used a meat grinder. After 11 days, still throbbing pain and difficult to do my business. But I'm happy to have MDs available for something like this, which became a crisis.

By the time I seek an MD, I am already desperate after personal study and trials.

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Life is just one damned thing after another - Elbert Hubbard

H. Pylori also responds to Mastica (known as gum mastic). You can get it in capsules, it takes like 6 weeks.

This will have to be a quick reply on the go.

It seems that in this thread there aren't really many questions, but rather people telling me the shortcomings of medicine. It seems to me, from what you tell me, that a lot of you have unfortunately had not too great doctors. That is too bad, but it shouldn't be a reason to dismiss conventional medicine entirely. And luckily, a lot of you don't. A lot of your problems seem also to be related to the absurd health care system in the US. Unfortunately, I cannot comment much on that.

Oh yeah, and "side effects" is a better term. You can call some of the side effects poisoning if you want the dramatic sound to it, but there are some side effects that aren't all that bad. One that comes to mind is a drug against pulmonary hypertension that was in the trial stages, and after the trial was over a lot of the subjects wanted to continue the drug as it had another effect no one anticipated. This drug is now known as Viagra

Pinballdoctor: You keep making accusations of how little we can do. What about insulin, aspirin, dialysis, cognitive behavioral therapy, endocrinology and all the hormones they can replace when there is a deficiency, vaccines and the eradication of smallpox?

And yeah, we too give advice on diet, lifestyle changes and exercise, and in a lot of cases that is the first line of treatment. But when patients are not able to follow through, are we still not obligated to help them?

Drack, you will have to be here for a while to find people who have questions. Right now you are dealing with the die hard members of this forum who have been into alternatives for a very long time, probably since you were in diapers.

We can spread word around that you are here as time goes by, and you will just have to jump in on threads as people come here with health issues. If you wait until you are asked it may never happen as people who come here don't know who is here nor exactly what to ask.

I will maintain that side effects are poisoning effects as they are signs of the disruption of normal physiology. Although a poisoning effect may not kill you there is a significant alteration, sometimes serious enough to have to discontinue the drug.

Avandia
Vioxx
statin drugs
warfarin
All Antibiotic drugs
all steroid drugs
celebrex
all antidepressants

I could go on and on... and for all the above diseases the above are or have been used for there are reasonable alternatives that have no side effects with good symptom management or cure.

So far physican recommendations on diet have been in error... how many years did we go about eating plastic margarine because physicians told us to? How many years have we packed in deadly carbs in excessive amounts because physicians told us to stay away from red meat? and the deathly food pyramid turned upside down to what it should be

Physicans have a severe credibility issue that they will need to overcome as time goes by. They are not there yet, not near. We now have a diabetic epidemic in our nation amongst our youth. Where have the doctors been in educating families how to eat. Why have they not been on a rampage? I will tell you why... they are to dam busy sucking up coka colas and eating donoughts or pizza at meetings and on breaks... and don't tell me no on this. I have watched this go on for 28 years.

and the biggest lie of all that they have promoted is that vitamins do nothing but make for expensive pee.

Appropriate use of vitamins and enzymes can roto rooter a vascular system and make a triple bypass unneeded... but what cardiac surgeon is going to tell you that? Dam few... yet the studies have been done, the results are out if one dares to look at them and confront their years of training and ego investment

Arthritis can be fully managed most of the time with alternative vitamins and enzymes yet they docs will load people with metholtrexate and celebrex to the patiients dying day, pushed forward by the "side effects" they endure( Poisoning effects)... and of course now they have all these new fangled arthritis drugs...Enbrel... danger I say! I have cured my own RA, psoric arthritis and psoriasis with alternative treatments...well, I could not say "cure" but my symptom management has been better than excellent.
all done with enzymes and vitamin D and CMO, a fatty ester acid derived from whale fat, but now made from plants.

and of course I insist that all my immue disorder dieseas was brought on by the injection of a measles vaccine... thats when it all started,,, I was in pain before I even got out of the clinic parking lot and it was down hill from there. I thank god I found a way to take care of it on my own,,,

my aunt, (by adoption) so not a blood relative has had the same diseases, she is 13 years older than me and she took every dam drug the doctor told her and she is still in pain, and looks like a blimp.. very sad. and now the list of her chronic diseases continues to increase over the last 20 years.

Perhaps we can mold you into a great physician... but make no mistake... you will not be molding us for we have already been through the medical fires.