H. Pylori also responds to Mastica (known as gum mastic). You can get it in capsules, it takes like 6 weeks.

This is incorrect. All drugs have poisoning effects, not side effects.
Time to call things by their true name.

White washing terms gets one nowhere.

H pylori responds beautifully to ozonated water. Ive seen two cases personally, cured.

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It is very unlikely you will find mainstream medical doctors who will use ozone in the U.S. even though it is very popular in Europe, especially Germany.

North American doctors use antibiotics for everything, and now we have super bugs that have become immune to antibiotics.

If you took away steroids and antibiotics from these doctors, they would have no treatment at all.

I don't have a problem with surgery, especially emergency surgery, because this is where doctors' shine. However, it is the other 95% of medicine that is a total disaster.

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Let Food Be Your Medicine And Medicine Be Your Food.(Hippocrates)

This will have to be a quick reply on the go.

It seems that in this thread there aren't really many questions, but rather people telling me the shortcomings of medicine. It seems to me, from what you tell me, that a lot of you have unfortunately had not too great doctors. That is too bad, but it shouldn't be a reason to dismiss conventional medicine entirely. And luckily, a lot of you don't. A lot of your problems seem also to be related to the absurd health care system in the US. Unfortunately, I cannot comment much on that.

Oh yeah, and "side effects" is a better term. You can call some of the side effects poisoning if you want the dramatic sound to it, but there are some side effects that aren't all that bad. One that comes to mind is a drug against pulmonary hypertension that was in the trial stages, and after the trial was over a lot of the subjects wanted to continue the drug as it had another effect no one anticipated. This drug is now known as Viagra

Pinballdoctor: You keep making accusations of how little we can do. What about insulin, aspirin, dialysis, cognitive behavioral therapy, endocrinology and all the hormones they can replace when there is a deficiency, vaccines and the eradication of smallpox?

And yeah, we too give advice on diet, lifestyle changes and exercise, and in a lot of cases that is the first line of treatment. But when patients are not able to follow through, are we still not obligated to help them?

Drack, you will have to be here for a while to find people who have questions. Right now you are dealing with the die hard members of this forum who have been into alternatives for a very long time, probably since you were in diapers.

We can spread word around that you are here as time goes by, and you will just have to jump in on threads as people come here with health issues. If you wait until you are asked it may never happen as people who come here don't know who is here nor exactly what to ask.

I will maintain that side effects are poisoning effects as they are signs of the disruption of normal physiology. Although a poisoning effect may not kill you there is a significant alteration, sometimes serious enough to have to discontinue the drug.

Avandia
Vioxx
statin drugs
warfarin
All Antibiotic drugs
all steroid drugs
celebrex
all antidepressants

I could go on and on... and for all the above diseases the above are or have been used for there are reasonable alternatives that have no side effects with good symptom management or cure.

So far physican recommendations on diet have been in error... how many years did we go about eating plastic margarine because physicians told us to? How many years have we packed in deadly carbs in excessive amounts because physicians told us to stay away from red meat? and the deathly food pyramid turned upside down to what it should be

Physicans have a severe credibility issue that they will need to overcome as time goes by. They are not there yet, not near. We now have a diabetic epidemic in our nation amongst our youth. Where have the doctors been in educating families how to eat. Why have they not been on a rampage? I will tell you why... they are to dam busy sucking up coka colas and eating donoughts or pizza at meetings and on breaks... and don't tell me no on this. I have watched this go on for 28 years.

and the biggest lie of all that they have promoted is that vitamins do nothing but make for expensive pee.

Appropriate use of vitamins and enzymes can roto rooter a vascular system and make a triple bypass unneeded... but what cardiac surgeon is going to tell you that? Dam few... yet the studies have been done, the results are out if one dares to look at them and confront their years of training and ego investment

Arthritis can be fully managed most of the time with alternative vitamins and enzymes yet they docs will load people with metholtrexate and celebrex to the patiients dying day, pushed forward by the "side effects" they endure( Poisoning effects)... and of course now they have all these new fangled arthritis drugs...Enbrel... danger I say! I have cured my own RA, psoric arthritis and psoriasis with alternative treatments...well, I could not say "cure" but my symptom management has been better than excellent.
all done with enzymes and vitamin D and CMO, a fatty ester acid derived from whale fat, but now made from plants.

and of course I insist that all my immue disorder dieseas was brought on by the injection of a measles vaccine... thats when it all started,,, I was in pain before I even got out of the clinic parking lot and it was down hill from there. I thank god I found a way to take care of it on my own,,,

my aunt, (by adoption) so not a blood relative has had the same diseases, she is 13 years older than me and she took every dam drug the doctor told her and she is still in pain, and looks like a blimp.. very sad. and now the list of her chronic diseases continues to increase over the last 20 years.

Perhaps we can mold you into a great physician... but make no mistake... you will not be molding us for we have already been through the medical fires.

Good afternoon Drack: I would like to discuss drugs. In particular 3 of them Atropine, Digitalis and Interferon.

Digitalis (and I said this before, this is where MDs excel, controlling heart rhthyms) use to be ground up foxglove which was standardized. Now its the pure chemical. The problem in this case is there is a side effect with the plant not present with the pure drug: Extreme nausea, which was a desirable side effect because if someone took too much, this was the first sign. Now its screwed up heart rhythms. This can be too late in some cases.

Atropine: 50 yrs ago it was ground up belladona leaves which were standardized. Cofactors present acted in a synergistic way to make the atropine more effective. Now its a pure chemical and you need more.

Interferon: IMPURE crude interferon extract showed very nice results in cancer treatment, but the drug companies cannot patent crude extracts, they need pure chemicals. The pure interferon is much less effective.

I think Arrowwind summed it up pretty good. So please do not be discouraged by any negative comments just realize that many here have seen way too much of the darker side of conventional medicine.

As I see it you currently know a lot about conventional medicine and what it has to offer. So now I would suggest that you follow up by learning about the alternative remedies found here and elsewhere. You need not except every statement as the absolute factual truth, but rather just keep and open mind. Just do not outright automatically reject an idea just because it sounds preposterous. But rather put such ideas in a �mental gray box for storage� until such time as you learn more about them.

I predict that with your current medical knowledge and if you are willing to add alternative medical knowledge you will not only be a good doctor but will become a one of kind great doctor.

I do not believe that you are a medical doctor, and I'll tell you why.

I don't know of any doctor's who would spell asthma the way you spelled it. Once could be a typo, but twice...

Someone with a high education, such as a doctor, would not do that.

Nice try though.

Since when is insulin or aspirin a cure for anything? And you talk about replacing hormones knowing full well that HRT causes cancer..

What?? Vaccines to eradicate smallpox?? Vaccines did not iradicate smallpox. If you did some research on this you would have seen smallpox was eliminated because of better sanitation, clean water, etc.. and if you check the actual health charts and graphs, you would see that vaccines came at the end of the disease, when it was already nearly eliminated.

Pinball. I have a PhD in chemistry and I misspell all the time. Drack is for real (IMO) and I have to admit that the smallpox vaccine eliminated smallpox. (The smallpox vaccine is not a vaccine as we know today but a similar virus called cowpox which gives immunity to smallpox)

Welcome to the forums, Drack. We don't hate MD at all, and our members need medical advice from professionals like you. Actually the board was called "medical science forums" with the domain MedSciTalk.com, we had problems with Google and changed it two years ago. I hope you will hang around and continue to share with us your knowledge.

Drack, please stay and hang out, many of enjoy your posts.

https://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox_graphs_h.html

I'm still around, but work is eating me alive these days and I can't reply as much as earlier.

I misspelled asthma because english is not my native language. If you're unhappy with my spelling I'd gladly continue this conversation in norwegian. Also who the hell cares about spelling mistakes.

You may or may not believe I am an MD, on the internet it doesn't really matter anyway. In any case I can tell a little more about myself: I am a young norwegian physician, I graduated last spring. So far I have been working as an intern at internal medicine for half a year, and I'm now at surgery. So this are the fields where I have the most experience, in other specialties I have mostly "school knowledge". So I'm not the most experienced doctor, but at the same time I am more open minded and eager to learn than the old attendings.

No one says insulin cures anything. But does that make it worthless? Instead of death at 10 years of age, patients get to live full lives. Would you not recommend insulin to a type one diabetic?

A lot of more things to address still, I have to get back to you guys later.

Regarding small pox , I suggest one reads the book called "the speckled monster"

and then ask yourself why smallpox was a thing of the past in the Otterman Empire. Were they cleaner? Did they have sewers, handwashing, purified water? No. Not really. But they did vaccinate and for many years there before Europeans came into their culture the pox was well controlled.

Small pox is not a disease of filth, it is a contageous virus like measles.. If you are not immune from previous exposure you will most likely get it. Unlike measles, there is a 20 percent chance you will die, and the rest are terribly scared for life.

It does not travel from animal to person, as cow pox does, but from person to person. No other vector has ever been found.

Although I do not like vaccinations much, in the case of small pox vaccine, it was a viable and reliable treatment that was wel utilized before sanatation was understood and implemented.

We share a difference of opinion on vaccines.

I do not believe vaccines, any vaccines, are either safe or effective.