Pinball: So am I reading this correctly, or is that graph simply showing that incidence of smallpox is affected by sanitation? Because that doesn't say much. In any case, measles, mumps and pertussis are on the rise these days, now that more people are misinformed by Jenny McCarthy that it causes autism (as for other side effects of vaccines, I'll agree more studies might be needed). And as far as I know, sanitation is not to blame, as people are getting almost sterile with antibacterial soaps and stuff everywhere.

As for hormone replacement therapy, of course I know that estrogen therapy causes cancer. That's why it's not given to anyone. And it's also why selective hormone analogs have came in to being, some of them without the carcinogenic effect. But there are other hormones. I mentioned insulin, which you brushed off because it's not a cure, without coming up with any better alternative. There is of course also more hormones, thyroxine, cortisol, aldosterone, parathyroid hormone, etc.

Arrowwind: I don not expect to enter a forum and mold everyone to my liking. But I agree doctors have a bad rep, and I think a lot of it is because of lack of information. I am myself guilty of this, I sincerely wish I could spend more time talking to each patient, but there is no way I'll be capable to do that, there's just too many, and I can't make other patients wait too long. This might be part of why I joined here, to see if I can make up for it a little.

Oh and I'd be interested to see the studies about those vitamin treatments.

Drack, the fact that you found this site, much less wanted to join and discuss things here means you are very open minded. You should definitely be commended for that.

No doc, are you kidding? ... with your high degree of education, you can't read a simple graph? ... seriously?? Really?

The graphs clearly show that better sanitation, clean water, better hygiene, etc were responsible for iradicating small pox, not the vaccines.

Vaccines will go down as the biggest medical blunder in history.

Wrong again doc, Jenny was not wrong, vaccines do cause autism.(obviously not the only cause)

Jenny says it is the mercury that causes the autism, and that is not entirely true. It could be the mercury, but could also be the aluminum, or the formaldehyde, or maybe the animal DNA, or the squalene. Either way, it is the vaccine itself, and history will prove that.


Thousands of women are given are given hormone replacement therapy every year, and 10% are killed because of it, mostly from cancers.

Insulin is necessary for type 1 diabetics, however, should not be given to type 2 patients, and I'll tell you why. Insulin causes weight gain, which in turn causes higher blood glucose spikes, which will result in more insulin given to control these higher numbers, and that will result in more weight gain, and the circle continues til the patient dies.

Type 2 diabetes is easily reversed doc, and that is something you will never understand because the word "cure" does not exist in the doctors' manual. I know this first hand as I was diabetic in 2005.

Notice I said was.

My before and after blood work was posted on this forum as proof.

No... doctors have a bad rep because they are not credible. All they do is prescribe drugs and alot of people are looking for something better, thus are taking control of their own health.

Have you ever noticed that you are seeing the same patients over and over for the same problems? ... and you keep trying different drugs but nothing works, and since the patient is not helped he just keeps coming back... that is why you have so many patients... nobody is cured so they continue to come back, like homing pigeons..
No you wouldn't.

When I cured my own diabetes, my doctor told me to keep doing what I'm doing, but never once asked me what I was doing so he could pass the information on to several other diabetics in his care..

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Pinball, please enlighten us: what did you do for your diabetes?

Sorry, it seems I only looked at graph #1. The one that shows that smallpox is governed by sanitation and so on, just like any other infectious disease. But I'll look into the rest, I'll admit we didn't spend that much time on the details of the vaccination program.

Oh come on, that was one study that has later been shown to be fraudulent. Here's an article about it if you care to read it: https://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm




Where did you get those numbers? 10% doesn't sound right. But yeah, we know about the risk, and it is something, like anything else, that has to be weighed against the benefits.


Yeah there's a reason insulin is the last resort in DM 2.

I know type 2 can be reversed by lifestyle changes. How did you do it?


The ones that come back usually have COPD, cardiovascular disease or or the killer condition known as old age. Can you cure those? If you make that claim it shouldn't surprise you that I would be eager to see studies, cause that stuff would be Nobel prize material.


Umm... yes I would? What's your problem, anyway?

Correctly administered estrogens in the proper form balanced with progesterone do not cause cancer.

Premarin causes cancer.

Female human estrogens do not cause cancer. Toxic bodies over loaded with pathogens and toxic lymphatics cause cancer. Benzine causes cancer. Ingested plastics cause cancer. Herbacides and pesticides cause cancer. Radiation causes cancer. Many things cause cancer but correctly applied estrogens do not.

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Given a willing patient with cardiovascular disease, yes, I could cure it and to prevent old age you must start young.... but even if you don't there is much that can be done to improve the health of elderly as long as they still have appetite and are eating well. Much can be done.

If you want to see the studies you should go to naturopathic medical school. There are a zillion studies.

Very simple really, anyone could do it.

First, you eliminate the cause so you don't make things worse... that means no more sugar in all its forms, especially high fructose corn syrup. That also means foods that break down into sugars quickly such as white bread, white flour, white rice, white pasta, etc.

Most people eat and drink over 150 pounds of sugar per year, so it is no wonder why the surge in diabetes and obesity rates.

Next is grains. Eliminate all grains because they are genetically modified, and also contaminated with several varieties of fungi.

Exercise is absolutely crucial to reverse type 2 diabetes. Once the sugars and grains are eliminated, the soda pop, and the processed/fast foods, the weight will start to drop. Most people are over fed and under nourished because the foods that they eat are high in fat, sugar, and salt, which provide alot of empty calories and little actual nutrition.

The bottom line is that you have to change your lifestyle, which also means a change in diet. There is no magic pill that you can take, and keep on eating cheeseburgers, pizza, soda, beer, and everything that is loaded with sugar and fructose.

The solution is not metformin and insulin.

I know all about Brian Deer. He is a big fat liar.

Dr. Wakefield was right all along, and if you really want to know the truth, you have to listen to the parents of the children that were in the study.

The lancet will be printing another retraction soon, reverting back to their origional story, and Mr Deer will be going to prison where he belongs.





10% death rate is considered low, its more like 25%.

COPD is caused by fungus in the respitory system, specifically in the lungs, bronchial tree.

COPD is not cured because it is normally treated with steroid inhalers, and steroids do not kill fungi, especially candida. Natural treatments, such as diet changes (as mentioned above) such as going on a phase 1 diet, and by using nebulized colloidal silver, etc will reverse COPD, as well as many other health issues.

Can I cure cardiovascular disease? Yes, it is very simple.

There are 90 essential vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and fatty acids. Most people with health issues are deficient in one or more of these, plain and simple. If you don't think so, look at Scurvy, look at Pellagra, look at Rickets, look at Beriberi, all caused by being deficient in something, and the list goes on.

As far as old age goes, look at Jack LaLanne. He proved that exercise and proper diet could prevent disease well into his 90's.

He died recently, at age 97, probably with a barbell in his hand..



My problem is that I don't trust most medical doctors, and why should I?

I can't think of one chronic disease that any mainstream medical doctor has cured, and yet people like Dr. Max Gerson has cured thousands of people of all kinds of disease, including several types of cancer, and was called a quack.

Even Linus Pauling, a two-time Nobel Prize winner, was attacked by the medical system for his comments on the benefit of high dose vitamin C.

Anyone who goes against the medical system gets branded as a quack, and I have a problem with that..

When I stated hormone replacement therapy causes cancer, I am refering to the mainstream medical system treatment, and not the natural hormone replacement therapy, which is totally safe.

After all, women aren't horses.

Congrats on beating your diabetes, but you're not really telling me something I didn't already know. Lifestyle modifications are first line of treatment, and when the patient is willing and motivated to do so, all is well. But a lot of patients don't manage do go through with this. If so, should we not do what we can? Are we just going to let them destroy themselves, or at least try to control the blood sugar?

I still want to know how you got the percentage of deaths. I'll take it seriously, but you'll have to provide credible sources.

And what makes you so certain about Wakefield? There has been 10 other studies regarding the link between MMR and autism since then, which has shown no correlation. There is just one recent study I heard of that suggested a correlation, but it had used unreliable data. Even if it didn't, it wouldn't mean more than a suggestive correlation, not causation.

Hell, I'm not automatically against the idea, it would be very good to find a causative factor of autism. It's just that the scientific studies at the moment does not support it.

Lastly, no, COPD is not caused by fungi, at least not primarily. In COPD with emphysema the lung walls are dead and gone, and can't be grown back through diet any more than you can regrow any other organ. In COPD with chronic bronchitis I can imagine it could theoretically be cured, but as of yet I have never heard of it, and by making that claim, you should back it up with evidence.

Please show me a reliable study about curing cardiovascular disease or COPD (notice I say cure, I already know that lifestyle modifications can help). Don't just tell me there are lots of them, I've been searching Google Scholar, Pubmed and Cochrane library and found nothing.

Btw you don't have to tell me about generally accepted deficiency states such as Scurvy and Rickets and so on. These conditions are well known and accepted by the medical community to be caused by deficiencies, so I don't know what you expect to prove there.

On an unrelated note, I remember someone saying that medicine is not reliable because pharma is a multibillion dollar industry and all that. Because of this, we are taught in school to be wary of buying into all that the pharm companies tell us. I've always wondered, are you guys also critical of alternative medicine for the same reasons? After all, alternative medicine is also a multibillion dollar industry covering a huge spectrum of treatments with varying degrees of evidence, so are you sceptical to some of them, or do you accept all of it?

I am growing skeptical about where Natropathic medicine is headed in the USA. Some schools have accepted large amounts of money from pharmaceutical companies. All naturopathic doctors from the post graduate 4 year schools in the USA graduate with a prescription pad in their hands and can and do prescribe drugs.

This is an absolute corruption of the philosophy and practice of naturopathic medicine and will eventually deceive people further that drugs are OK.

The pharmaceutical industry plans on a full take over of all natural things though codex alimenatarius, as they are doing in Europe and have done so in Germany, and now Canada.

You know, Drack, some people here on this forum have had to fight to save their lives or at least the quality of their lives.. Most of us are lay people, yet quite intelligent.

We do not collect studies... but we have read many many over the years. We have read many books by physicians and others... I my self have probably read over 100 books on alternative medicine topics..

We can point the way to you and tell you what to look for but you will have to look for yourself.. we are not trained educators with at ton of statistics at our fingertips and references to studies at instant disposal.. but we know after over 30 years of looking at this stuff for some of us... and collectively we probably have a few hundred years of looking.

Some of us really had to fight for our lives and we won, with no thanks to conventional medicine. We have been very serious in our endeavors.

We may not be 100% right on all things... but yet we have won our lives back.
I can surely tell you as a nurse where these folks would be if they went the conventional route... I have seen people with the same diseases suffer and die time and time again under the hands of the medical doctors and their dangerous and worthless drugs, that kill and do not restore.

You will have to learn to look for yourself or go to a naturopathic school or seminars at least, and there are many seminars on these topics designed for physicians all over the world.

I would suggest that you find out about the work of Dr Hans Napier for a start. Read the works of Dr Atkins and read the work of Dr Jensen as basic primers.
Learn iridology
Review the website of Dr Siricus
Look at what Dr Simoncini is doing
Read the book "Cancer is a Fungus"
learn about IPT therapy
Study Homeopathy
Contact Dr West of Pocatello Idaho and discuss Lyme disease with him
which is now an international epidemic and misdiagnosed as many other autoimmue diseases.
purchase and learn how to use a dark field live blood analysis microscope
then use it with all your patients

Read all the works of Dr Linus Pauling
Learn the old time works of Benjamin Lust and Dr Kellog
Learn about Ozone therapy, Take Dr Shallenburgers seminar or study in Germany
Contact the clinic in California that administers IV colloidal silver
and seek a seminar through them.
Learn about how to prevent triple bypass surgeries
even when they are already needed though chelation therapy
vitamin C therapy and enzyme therapy.
Learn everything you can about all the different enzyme therapies out there
learn about mms... though Jim Humble www.jimhumble.biz
we have lots of info on this site regarding that.
learn about low dose naltrexone
learn about frequency therapies.
learn everything there is to know about healthy fats and how to
utilize them in a medical practice.
learn about clinical nutrition. Take a course.
Get the book by Dr Bernstien and learn about iodine therapy
read the studies on iodine by Dr Abraham, from UCLA

keep an open mind and go and talk to the physicians and lay people
who are doing the work.

all these topics have researchers, seminars and developed protocols.
Only you can really educate you and you will do this through the choices you make and the quality will be determined by what you choose to look at and what
you choose to turn a blind eye to..
you will determine just how brilliant you will become

and if you don't make your medical practice a sprirtual quest you will always be less
and always do less that you could have or should have

drack as for COPD and fungi, ther ehave been misdiagnoised fungal infections interpreted as COPD, just like there have been many mercury sensitivity cases diagnosed as MS.

The classic example was some dude (diagnosed with COPD) who dropped a bottle of athletes fooit pwder and inhaled some of the resulting cloud. he was much better the next day so he inhaled some more deliberately and boom was cured. But he did not have fibrosis or scarring, just a fungal infection that was misdiagnosed.

Dr Wakefield demands retraction from BMJ after documents prove innocence from allegations of vaccine autism data fraud

https://www.naturalnews.com/031117_BM...Wakefield.html

I just wanted to throw this out there.


this is exactly the conversations that need to be happening. Real medical doctors talking with alternative medicine people.

I, too, have a caner question. I have a couple of friends who have had breast cancer and gone through treatment which apparently was successful in each case. One had a double mastectomy, chemo and radiation and the other one a lumpectomy and nothing further. Now, it's yearly check-ups which includes a blood test. Then I hear, "the doctor says that I'm cancer free!" If a blood test can do that why don't we all just go and get a blood test every year................?