Quite frankly, Im not too interested in the re-educaton of doctors. Oh certainly they all need re-education but its way too stressful for me... especially when we have a bill5 attitude here. .. not some one who wants to learn.. but wants us to prove stuff to him... instead of taking a lead and going out to find the truth on his own... for you see... we can't give truth to someone.. you Drack, have to go out on your own and find it. Its there to find... and its not in your hospitals or clinics or medical schools.
For instance I say cancer is related to a microbe. You want proof. I say go out and find it yourself as I did. Its not too hard. There is plenty of evidence... but you must try and must want to learn. you must get past your programing, your brainwashing.. you see I do not know how to deprogram someone. You must do your own if you want to be more than a petty medical technician and transform yourself into a healer.
Please god. send us a doctor that wants to learn... then I will tell him not to waste his time on this board but to go to naturopathic school where all the studies abound on all the supplements and alternative therapies and you will see first hand in clinical experience and study the true healing results that come forth.... or they also have intensive seminars and workshops for phsycians who want to learn alternative medicine. I know many find doctors who have made the leap, layed down their inflated ego, and transformed their reality and have become true teachers of healing.
And as far as the Journal of Americam Medicine goes... its trash... when I consider all the drugs and procedures they have promoted and approved that have killed people.
Subscribe to the Townsend Letter .... the naturopaths journal.
Im done here.
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As for feeling stressed, I've been stressed from lots of work, no sleep, no food and scarce to drink for long hours at a time, coupled with the knowledge that the patients life is my responsibility and fear of making wrong decisions. I have never, ever in my life felt even the slightest pressure from anyone to write out more prescriptions than necessary. I get no benefit whatsoever from writing prescriptions. If anything, I feel my role is more as a gatekeeper to the drugs than a dealer.
Tuina: Could you send me the BMJ link? I'd like to read it.
About Qi: So are you saying that Qi is proven to exist because given enough training/meditation, you understand what it is? That sounds a lot like Descartes proof of god's existence.
Regarding tamiflu: Well, it has been proven objectively to work, just not very well. I don't think I've ever prescribed Tamiflu. Even though it has been proven to have some effect the doctor who prescribes it should of course be aware of how well it works. Of course what is written on their website is not neutral, everyone knows this.
I don't know why you assume I don't take mine and the patients experience into consideration.
The Tamiflu website is not just not neutral, it is lying outright. Do you really believe this lying has no effect? Why did governments stockpile this superstitious irrational snake-oil quack remedy?
I wasn't saying that you personally don't take your own and the patient's experience into consideration. I was making the point that as little as 15 years ago, doctors' clinical experience and patients' experiences were considered as important as statistical trials, which have now become the alpha and omega of the pharmaceutical industry's new popular religion.
Descartes' proof of God's existence was just an intellectual exercise, as well as being utter nonsense. Understanding Qi is not an intellectual exercise, just like becoming an adult and understanding what sexuality is is not an intellectual exercise - it's a change in your mode of being. Could you really explain to a child what adult sexuality is? You will never be able to understand what I'm saying unless you can break out of the trap of the meaningless dogmatic conceptual filter through which you think you have to experience everything.
I don't really mind whether you understand what I'm saying, but what bothers me is that you (and more importantly the immensely powerful political force of the drug industry) are making statements about something because you have a totally wrong idea about what it is. If it was what you think it is, you might be right. It isn't and you're not.
This is the foolish arrogance of a culture that is moving disastrously from its ugly infancy (poor simple-minded Descartes) towards a petulant and violent adolescence. It should show a little humility towards cultures that have reached maturity - those that it hasn't already destroyed either by outright slaughter, economic enslavement or aggressive cultural marketing.
It is not very far from racism to assume that all the knowledge of, for example, classical Chinese culture is superstitious nonsense except where they've accidentally stumbled across something that can be proved in the glorious light of truth of Western corporate scientism. Is it not possible that they understood something important that we have lost sight of? Is such a possibility to be dismissed outright?
Maybe you are conscientious enough to actually follow the rules of your own paradigm, and look at research on everything you prescribe. But someone is certainly prescribing the 89% of treatments which are not supported by evidence. Shouldn't the mass media pseudo-skeptics be denouncing those corporate quack doctors? Some chance.
Finally, I'd like you to clarify exactly what kind of evidence you consider sufficient to regard a medical treatment as something that 'works'. If it's only peer-reviewed-double-blind-random-placebo-controlled-trials forever and ever amen, then that conveniently rules out anything that can't be put in a pill. Do you really believe that all medical treatments that can't be put in a pill are automatically invalid? And how much difference to placebo do you regard as saying that something 'works'? What on earth does that actually mean? You can have a significant difference to placebo but still a very low success rate. To be honest, if I was getting the sort of success rates that so-called effective drugs get, I would give up in embarrassment and become a plumber.
the cause for low triglycerides could be certain drugs, hyperthyroidism, malnutrition, malabsorption syndrome, a low fat diet, Cholesterol lowering drugs, fish oil supplements, statins, nicotinic acid, ascorbic acid, asparaginase, gemfibrozil, fenofibate, or clofibrate,cancer, chronic liver disease, protein intolerance, chronic inflammation of the pancreas.
Ok, yes, I should have phrased it differently, I meant that I couldn't think of any serious disease characterized by only dropping triglycerides. You didn't tell me anything else about yourself. Of course, if you're taking lipid-lowering drugs, they will decrease triglycerides. If you've lost weight for unknown reasons, that would be a huge red flag. If you'd lost weight willingly or changed your diet, that would be something else. With chronic pancreatitis a lab value would be the last of your complaints.
Listen, when a patient comes in with unspecific complaints such as this, I usually do a thorough interview and examination, and then order wide spectrum lab tests that would uncover at the very least anything serious.
Quite frankly, Im not too interested in the re-educaton of doctors. Oh certainly they all need re-education but its way too stressful for me... especially when we have a bill5 attitude here. .. not some one who wants to learn.. but wants us to prove stuff to him... instead of taking a lead and going out to find the truth on his own... for you see... we can't give truth to someone.. you Drack, have to go out on your own and find it. Its there to find... and its not in your hospitals or clinics or medical schools.
For instance I say cancer is related to a microbe. You want proof. I say go out and find it yourself as I did. Its not too hard. There is plenty of evidence... but you must try and must want to learn. you must get past your programing, your brainwashing.. you see I do not know how to deprogram someone. You must do your own if you want to be more than a petty medical technician and transform yourself into a healer.
Please god. send us a doctor that wants to learn... then I will tell him not to waste his time on this board but to go to naturopathic school where all the studies abound on all the supplements and alternative therapies and you will see first hand in clinical experience and study the true healing results that come forth.... or they also have intensive seminars and workshops for phsycians who want to learn alternative medicine. I know many find doctors who have made the leap, layed down their inflated ego, and transformed their reality and have become true teachers of healing.
And as far as the Journal of Americam Medicine goes... its trash... when I consider all the drugs and procedures they have promoted and approved that have killed people.
Subscribe to the Townsend Letter .... the naturopaths journal.
Im done here.
No one says I'm not interested in learning. Listen, medicine is pretty much a life long nonstop school. But you're not even providing anything. Telling me to go to naturopathic school for answers is ridiculous, This is just as if a patient would come to me for advice, I'd scoff at him and tell him "go to medschool, then you'll get your answer". Absurd.
When someone attacks me, it is only fair to ask them to back up their claims. I came here to talk, you wanted to pick a fight. But I'm not holding a gun to your head, it just makes your argument seem unreliable.
There is also a vast, absurd amount of research into cancer that shows differently than what you say. Can you at least tell me what makes whatever research you're referring to seems more reliable than the vast, vast majority?
Oh yeah, and as you may have noticed i figured you wouldn't trust American Journal of Medicine, which is why I also provided evidence from the Cochrane Library, which is independent.
That last point goes to you too, Pinball. The benefit of aspirin is proven to outweigh the risks, when given to the right patients. You can list side effects all you want, I already know them. It's getting tiresome to disprove the same argument over and over.
Ok, yes, I should have phrased it differently, I meant that I couldn't think of any serious disease characterized by only dropping triglycerides. You didn't tell me anything else about yourself. Of course, if you're taking lipid-lowering drugs, they will decrease triglycerides. If you've lost weight for unknown reasons, that would be a huge red flag. If you'd lost weight willingly or changed your diet, that would be something else. With chronic pancreatitis a lab value would be the last of your complaints.
Listen, when a patient comes in with unspecific complaints such as this, I usually do a thorough interview, and then order wide spectrum lab tests that would uncover at the very least anything serious.
well at least you would investigate, I haven't found a doctor that even thinks its worth investigating... when common sense should tell them that triglycerides dont drop down to near nothing for no reason.
coupled with a few other things they failed to even mention which I only discovered on getting my labs report ..I dont know if there is any connection
with ESR being high @ 22H range 5-20 and eGFR greater than >90H
'no sign of kidney damage' written on the report , blood pressure good.
Im not on any medication,haven't lost weight , not dieting...
you did say to ask you anything and after seeing 5 doctors (which was like hitting my head against a brick wall) ..Im still looking for answers
I should have mentioned I have a multinodular goitre thats not doing anything ,it has been recently scanned and ultrasounded, my thryoid ranges are excellent ..no symptoms
I also have osteoporosis and am taking calcium with co nutrients and vitamin D..no change in bone density levels since first diagnosed ten years ago.
I have had these for the last ten years and the trigylceride problem has been dropping over the last 2 years
Oh yeah, and as you may have noticed i figured you wouldn't trust American Journal of Medicine, which is why I also provided evidence from the Cochrane Library, which is independent.
That last point goes to you too, Pinball. The benefit of aspirin is proven to outweigh the risks, when given to the right patients. You can list side effects all you want, I already know them. It's getting tiresome to disprove the same argument over and over.
Hi Drack
The AMJ study you quoted is for SECONDARY heart patients, those who have had heart attacks. The vast amount of aspirin being handed out by doctors is for PRIMARY prevention purposes and a study by the AMJ shows that the dosage of a baby aspirin is useless (81 mg) in preventing heart attacks and strokes yet doctors still go on prescribing them.
Even at this low dosage there is an increase in GI bleeding of 40% over the controls used in the study. One can only surmise what level of GI bleeding will be if they ever increase the level to 165-325mg for prevention of clotting,which the author of the study suggests.
You may be interested in an article, with study references, which suggests that its calcium which is the primary cause of artery plaque not cholesterol.
Thanks for the links, Tuina. I've been looking at the BMJ article. The percentage sounds horrible when taken out of context, but when I looked at the actual treatments they describe, I was pleasantly surprised. They have broken it down to different treatments for different indications. And when I looked them in depth, I saw that the guidelines we follow match the level of effectiveness perfectly. I want everyone to take a look at this example: https://clinicalevidence.bmj.com/cewe.../0206/0206.jsp
Right here, it shows aspirin is rated beneficial, whereas for example several vitamins are not at all. This whole article just supports my stance, not just about aspirin, but the other treatments as well.
Now about the Qi: Try to put yourself in my shoes. I admit I don't know much details about TCM, but to me the theory sound somewhat mystical. What you tell me about "getting it" may or may not be true, but you must understand that it doesn't hold up as evidence to me. There are plenty of religious people that "know without reasonable doubt" that their deity exist. But whatever, I don't get why that is such a big deal, since as I said, acupuncture has shown benefit and that's what matters. I haven't made much statements about what TCM is or isn't other than that, since I don't have an intimate knowledge about it, so I don't know why you get so upset.
Now, when do I decide a drug "works" or not. Well, it's not as black and white as you present it. It's a sliding scale from no effectiveness to great effectiveness, as is even shown in the link above, that you introduced me to. I have to admit of course, I don't read every single study that is produced, that is impossible. That's why systematic reviews like Cochrane Libraries are good, that goes through the collected evidence to draw a conclusion from that.
Drack, it is a pleasure to have you on the board. We do not all share the same beliefs here. I will not touch MMS (Chlorine dioxide solution that people here take). Also, I do not believe all drugs are bad, but most of the newer ones are. Also in the US, unlike the rest of the world, people are on tons of drugs. I know 70 -80 yr olds that re on 20 pills a day. I know a 35 yr old who is on 15 pills a day. There is a guy by the name of Dr. Andrew Weil and he has an earlier book called "Spontaneous Healing". He is a Harvard Trained MD and is big into alternative medicine (but he does not rule out western/allopathic medicine. That is the best book you can read to understand where many of us are coming from.
Drack, if you are lacking for sleep, plus lacking proper food and hydration, you are not functioning at optimal level. If you want to do well by your patients, you must not compromise your ability to do a good job. You cannot do your best work, if you are not taking proper care of yourself.
Drack, if you are lacking for sleep, plus lacking proper food and hydration, you are not functioning at optimal level. If you want to do well by your patients, you must not compromise your ability to do a good job. You cannot do your best work, if you are not taking proper care of yourself.
But dogwoman, doctors dont really believe much in nutrition or sleep for if they really did they would not deprive their residents.. If they did they would not abuse medical students as they do, serve crap in hospital cafeteria's nor to patients. Its a good old boys club, that they have been forced to allow women into as of late... and they have little understanding of nutrition, enzymes, vitamins, detox, heavy metals, mineral supplementation, nor the spiritual energy that moves us and connects us to life.
Drack asks me for proof for my statements... I have little patience for those who are supposedly intelligent and are capable of finding information for themselves. No one spoon fed me. He is fully capable of finding all that we know if he really wants to. If he doesn't he will either spend his time here arguing with us or he will go away.. Really, a professional should look into these things in a professional way and go to the professionals that do the work in alternative healing, not on a forum like this.
Gary Null is the master in alternative healing. He is an independent researcher and reporter and he lives what he has learned. Though reading Gary Null's books Drack will be directed to tons of research in a multitude of alternative therapies, find out who the best doctors are and what alternative health programs work. ... as well as the Townsend Letter, a publication on line or in the mail. Gary Null will bring him to the possibilities and facts and research faster in his books, then refining information can come from the Townsend letter as alternative doctors across the nation report their case studies and research.
If he really wants to learn he should purchase the first 4 books listed here on amazon.. if he doesn't then he won't. He can even purchase them used so money or cost is no excuse... expecially for a doctor. If he doesn't want to learn then he will either leave the forum or stay here and give dangerous medical advice that we will waste our time in trying to refute and he could potentially mislead people who come here looking for alternative protocols and insights, not conventional medical programs that are available from any conventional doctor on any street corner. Personally I dont have the time nor patience to provide all the links and websites for him that he would want from us or challenge us to go dig up.. do you? but here is his way to finding out all that he needs to know, especially since naturopathic school he considers out of the question. I noticed that he ignored my suggestion to attend conferences and seminars in the alternative medical arena of which there are now many hundreds of every year that are lead by medical doctors who are doing the alternative work.
Audi: Your ESR is hardly high, I wouldn't worry about it, if anything just control it at next another date. Your GFR just means the kidneys are working. Your triglycerides are very low, though. I'll have to give this one some thought. Has it been this low through several tests?
Liverock: Yeah, the criteria for use of aspirin are changing. For primary prevention the net survival is pretty much unchanged. Thank you, I'll look at the studies you provided, but I don't have time right now.
Dogwoman: Yes, I know, and it sucks. But that is how it is, there are just so many patients, so little time.
Arrowwind: So Gary Null is apparently a guy who got poisoned by his own product, which he sells for profit. And he also seems to be making a lot of money selling books that I'm guessing are recommending people to buy his product, directly or indirectly. Why you guys never question the multimillion dollar industry that is alternative medicine the same way as you question the multimillion dollar industry that is big pharma is beyond me.
And listen, in a debate, when you make a claim the burden of proof is on you. If you can't then stop talking shit about me or my profession. I have tried to provide evidence for my own claims all the way. You have through this whole thread provided nothing but dirt-flinging and unsupported claims.
Unfortunately I don't have time to write much more now and probably not throughout the weekdays either. I'll be back next weekend.
So Gary Null is apparently a guy who got poisoned by his own product, which he sells for profit.
Drack, I have been asked to take it easy on you, and was considering that, but when you make retarded comments like this, you deserve to get scorned.
You have no intentions of learning medicine, due to all the brain washing you received in med school, same as all the rest of your pill pushing pharma buddies.
The good news is that you will get sick sooner or later, and when you do you will turn to your own peers for help, and they will help you just like they helped Steve Jobs, and Patrick swayze, and all the other millions who died believing in chemo, radiation, and aspirin.
I wish you would just go find a nice mainstream doctor site and stop wasting my time with your silly comments, and while you're at it, look up Vioxx, and see if the benefit outweighs the side effects.
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tuina, I know for sure that accupuncture works, as we once had a horse that suffered with laminitis and the vet that was treating him also did accupuncture on him, and put the needles down alongside his spine, and put little slits along the top of his hoof to bleed the poison out, and the difference in our horse after just about 20 minutes was amazing.
Drack, I have been asked to take it easy on you, and was considering that, but when you make retarded comments like this, you deserve to get scorned.
You have no intentions of learning medicine, due to all the brain washing you received in med school, same as all the rest of your pill pushing pharma buddies.
The good news is that you will get sick sooner or later, and when you do you will turn to your own peers for help, and they will help you just like they helped Steve Jobs, and Patrick swayze, and all the other millions who died believing in chemo, radiation, and aspirin.
I wish you would just go find a nice mainstream doctor site and stop wasting my time with your silly comments, and while you're at it, look up Vioxx, and see if the benefit outweighs the side effects.
Drack is ok in my book. As for brainwashing, that s the purpose of allopathic medical training and I believe Drack is here to discuss and learn, not tell us we are full of it.
This goes out to Drack and Pinballdoctor When I was going to the macrobiotic dinners in cleveland in the late 90s, the instructor told us he had 2 medical docs as clients. No way would the touch chemo.
As for cancer treatments:
1) SOME leukemias, testicular cancer and a couple other rare cancers respond to chemo, but that is it. (Yes, they all respond, but when less than 10 percent of the patients show a positive result and it kills 75 percent faster, that is not a viable treatment)
2) Radiation: Again, a small percentage are helped, but most are harmed.
3) Anti-inflamatory drugs: I take an Aleve occasionally, but any long term use of an antiinflammatory is bad, as for vioxx, it is obvious the studies were faked with respect to the side effects.
4) I had 2 relatives close to me who were treated for cancer. 1997, the doc told an aunt she would be find and just a light dose. She had a light dose on friday and was dead tuesday. Another aunt in 04 had radiation, after her 4th treatment she said no more. She died a month later.
Also, once you do chemo or radiation, your immune system is shot and natural methods are useless at that point for a large percentage.
Audi: Your ESR is hardly high, I wouldn't worry about it, if anything just control it at next another date. Your GFR just means the kidneys are working. Your triglycerides are very low, though. I'll have to give this one some thought. Has it been this low through several tests?
Drack over the last three years triglycerides have gone from 1.7 (0.5-2.0)
to 1.2 and now 0.8
in my searchs I found a study noting that people who suffered the most severe type of stroke all had low triglycerides ...something to keep in mind if you get a patient with low trigs...it is a real problem that should be investigated and maybe one day it will be recognized as such.
in the mean time I have to treat myself by eating saturated fats hopefully raising those trygs.
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