And did you notice all the side effects listed at the end of the commercial? It sounds shocking and some of the side effects are horrible. The reasoning behind this is that if the public hears the side effects they will think that it's not so bad because the drug companies are being open about it, and that if they hear them enough they will sound normal. The old propaganda tactic of repeating something enough until it either becomes truth or seems normal.

Incentives are also offered to drug store employees for meeting flu shot quotas

And I believe the Dr's here get $60 for each flu shot they give,and we know for sure that the pharmaceuticle companies here give cars and holidays to push their wares, as was in a waiting room and overheard a drug sales rep saying that she wants to talk to Dr so and so about his holiday.

Not only gift incentives but when I worked in a step down ICU unit they would send in drug reps to meet with the docs,,, they were all very well stacked blonde and unusually attractive women..

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Ok, sorry for replying so late, as usual I don't have as much time as I would like and blah blah bah...

There's a lot of talk I've missed, I just have to address a few things that stick out to me:

Arrowwind: About osteoporosis, why would you say we don't know about the hormonal issue? This is known by every doctor on the planet, you're making stuff up. Hormone replacement is old news, and what you're saying basically speaks in favor of that, but I have a feeling you're going to be against it nonetheless. Vit D is also old news, so what's the big secret? Same with thyroid, how do you imply to treat an autoimmune thyroiditis by giving nutrients?

Oh yeah, and I was wondering about what you said about side effects, or poisoning for added dramatic effect. Can you give some examples of when this is a result of a defense reaction (other than of course allergic reactions)? I can't really think of it on the top of my head. When it comes to altering the balance in the body, yeah, drugs can do that, and I'm pretty sure any medicine that exerts any actual change in your body will have some potential side effect.

I also wanted to add one thing. As far as I'm concerned, there is no war between doctors and nurses. There's a war between bad doctors and bad nurses, sure, but good doctors work together with good nurses with mutual respect to treat the patient as best they can.

About the DXA scan that was mentioned, if it is true, it doesn't really matter all that much, since the studies show how the drugs work for different values anyway.



I still haven't gotten around to read about all the various articles in depth, bear with me.

well I dont know how it is in your country but there is a war between nurses and doctors in the USA... unless a nurse is a blinded drone, and there are quite a few of them. Administrative doctors dont always have the best interest of the patient as the money issue gets in the way. Too many doctors are arrogant jerks. I have known a few most excellent doctors and have respect for them, but alas, I still do not approve of their medicines. Even the best and most diligent and compassionate have been brainwashed into drug therapy.

I dont recall what I said about hormones. You could have quoted it so I would know. I am an avid supporter of bio-identical hormone replacement therapy and it can provide a huge preventative factor in osteoporosis. I am absolutely against pharmaceutical hormone replacement or hormone regulation in products like provera, depo-provera, premarin, progestin etc. These have been documented to cause very serious disease and still doctors use them.

Perhaps I said doctors do not know about the hormonal issue because they prescribe poisons to treat the hormonal issue. Their knowledge severely lacks. If one prescribes poisons then obviously one does not know. their understanding is only on a surface level and dictated by the pharmaceutical company... although my understanding is the bio-identical hormonal replacement therapy has been in use longer in Europe than in the USA and might possibly be more mainstream there. I can only speak from the perspective on medical care in the USA.

I have been using bio-identical hormone replacement for years now but still I do not consider this a total protocol to preventing osteoporosis. The other nutrients must be there to build bone matrix. Almost every woman who can afford it would benefit from BIHRT. Dosages MUST be tailor made to the individual and estrogen is never given alone. It is also a good opportunity to provide testosterone and DHEA in the same prescription if needed.

BIHRT should not be administered without supplementation of iodine, for iodine is protective against adverse effects of estrogens on breast tissues.

You may think vitamin D is old news but in this nation doctors still do not routinely check for deficiency and still some docs are still prescribing Vit D2, essentially worthless in raising serum levels of D3 and providing the needed protections. So do you check Vitamin D3 with almost all patients that walk in your door? You should regardless of age or health status.