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Hi Drack, I believe that Dr,s do a wonderfull job when it comes to surgery,I have two questions, which I hope you will answer honestly Do you/or would you take medications yourself, example statins, cholesterol meds, heart medication, and medications for depression, and yearly vaccinations.
And also I would like to know why most Drs don't look for a cause of a problem, before giving prescription drugs.

I was on prescription drugs for my cholesterol, BP,and asprin, agains't stroke while I was on them I gained weight, started bleeding from the bowel and felt quite unwell, aches and bone pains, and nausea in the end.
after 5 year's I decided to wean myself gradually off all of the meds, and since then have been able to loose the weight I gained and have felt so much better overall, and the bleeding has stopped,
I was told also that if you have an operation you should not take blood thinners for at least six weeks before the op, What happens if you have an accident, how do they control the bleeding?

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Welcome back Drack.

My question is which Oath do you follow?


THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH



I do solemnly swear by that which I hold most sacred:

That I will be loyal to the profession of medicine and just and generous to its member;


That I will lead my life and practice my art in uprightness and honor;

That whatever house I shall enter, it shall be for the good of the sick to the utmost of my power;

That I will hold myself aloof from wrong;

That I will exercise my art solely for the cure of my patients, and will give no drug and perform no operation for a criminal purpose;

That whatsoever I shall see or hear of the lives of men and women that should not be spoken, I will keep secret;

These I do promise, and in proportion as I am faithful to this my oath may happiness and good repute be ever mine.









THE HIPPOCRITIC OATH



I swear under penalty of perjury to the Supreme Provider and to the National Practitioner Data Bank, and all other existing databases, to keep the following oath:

That I will be loyal to the profession of medicine by never healing anyone, but instead will give only allopathic band-aids that cover up symptoms;

That I will care for my patients only as deemed medically necessary by the patient’s insurance company, and that I will process his insurance the same as anyone else, as to waive his coinsurance would be the worst and most heinous health care fraud;

That if ordered by the Commander in Chief under the Model State Health Emergency Powers Act, I shall accompany police into the homes of God’s people, and inject them with any concoction the Commander (although practicing medicine without a license) shall order (even if I know that such contains microchips or viruses that have emerged from my Commander’s laboratories);

That should the State wish to confiscate my patient’s property; I shall declare it “contaminated”;

That I will prescribe a regimen for the good of my patients, not according to my ability and judgment, but by the prescribed clinical pathways using only drugs covered by the patient’s insurance;

That I will not admit a patient to the hospital without pre-certification of admission;

That I will not up code, and will keep the medical record free of any admissions of medical mistakes;

That I will hasten the patient’s demise should any complications develop, since patient’s family will recover smaller damages if the patient is dead than if the patient is maimed for life;

That I will act as an Agent of the State, administering biological warfare agents as per US Code, Title 50, Chapter 32, � 1520 and 1524; even though doing so without the patient’s consent is a violation of the Nuremberg Code;

That whatsoever I shall see or hear of the lives of men and women that should not be spoken, I will report to the State;

That whatever parent should decide not to inoculate their child with disease, I shall immediately report to the SS (Social Services) so that child can be immediately abducted from his home;

That whatever child in my care should be sexually assaulted, I shall not document if the State says that the perpetrator is “immune”;

That I shall not teach my patients about techniques of detoxification, since to do so would make them aware that all of the allopathic band-aids are toxic;

That should research paid for by the Medical-Military-Industrial complex not reveal the expected results, I will use statistics to twist the data; and should I discover my superiors are doing such, I shall hide such to protect the institution;

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I always have a Mercedes in my driveway;

but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the appropriate authorities discipline me, have my privileges irrevocably extinguished for all eternity, or order psychiatric treatment (whatsoever is ordered by the Supreme Commander to prevent the death of medicine)
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You know, PBD, I don't think doctors take the oath anymore.
Im sure its neither that you posted... Seems different schools do different things.
Anyway, are we going to see just how mean we can be to this guy?

let us be kind but let us also get clear....

We defend alternative medicine here and we do not care for distractors much...
just to clearly state the playing field.
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I'm pretty sure most doctors take the Hippocratic Oath, I sure did. And

Arrowind: Yeah, I get it, he's decided to stop the meds no matter what. That still means I'll need more information before giving any advice. Also, since stopping steroids abruptly can cause, you know, death, I feel that should be mentioned no matter how grown up he is. Making assumptions like that can kill, so I don't care if it has to be said one time to many.

Ozzie: I'm not sure why everyone loves surgery so much more than other fields, as it has it's own ton of side effects just like anything else. I guess it's just more impressive. As for the drugs, what I would take would of course depend on what ailments I'd have. It's all about weighing pros vs cons. For example, if I had heart problems, I'd sure as hell take at least the Aspirin, but I'd discontinue it if I had a bleeding problem. For the time being, I'm young and healthy, so I don't take anything regularly.

I'm not sure why you say we don't look for a cause of the problem, are you thinking of anything specific?

And what do you mean by accident? That you happen to take the blood thinners after all? They control bleeding from the bigger vessels by clamping them or burning them, but this is done during any surgery. The problem is blood leaking everywhere from the capillaries, which makes it a lot harder for the surgeon to see, and increasing the risk of mistakes. This is harder to control, and would be worse if you're on blood thinners. Did that answer your question?
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:09 AM
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People rarely seem to acknowledge that some cancers are viral in origin. Many years ago I was told by a vet that my cat had a viral cancer. The vet told me not to bring any new cats into my household for at least six months, as they would surely contract the cancer from my contaminated home. He said the viral contamination of my home would eventually die off.

I have had an abhorrence of medical establishments ever since, particularly in regard to invasive procedures. It seems to me that the practice of PAP tests, colonoscopy, and other such procedures have the likelihood of allowing viral cancers to enter the body. I do not trust that the medical establishment is properly employing practices to contain or avoid contamination. When I had an office in a student health center, several times I witnessed medical personnel use the restroom, and leave without washing their hands. I witnessed a PA being extremely ignorant of protocols regarding contamination. In fact, this PA did cause contamination through her stupidity.

I was trained as a dental assistant a long time ago. Prevention of contamination was paramount in my training. It seems to me that modern medical practices regarding contamination are rather lax. Besides which, in the case of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, sterilization of instruments is not possible and cross contamination of other instruments during autoclaving or other sterilization procedures is possible.

"1,2) Prions have a high tolerance for current sterilization methods, including heat, chemicals, gas, and ionizing radiation. (6) Disinfectants and some tissue fixatives also have little effect on prions. (6)" <https://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FSL/is_3_82/ai_n15648923/>

I am of the opinion that one has a better chance of staying healthy, when one avoids places where sick people congregate. I am of the opinion that diagnostic procedures can and do cause illness.
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Only a few cancers have been linked to viral infection. HPV can cause cervical cancer, and some viri may cause colorectal cancer. If your assumptions are true, then people who screen for cervical and colorectal cancer should have a higher mortality rate from these cancers than those who don't, right? Well, that isn't the case:

Pap smear reduces mortality from cervical cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7909766

Colonoscopy reduces mortality from colorectal cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20197758
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Only a few cancers have been linked to viral infection.
I understand that virtually every oncogene that has been found is viral, and that these viral DNAs can be found in most cancers. I also understand that viruses have been shown to cause cancers.

Am I misunderstanding something I read long ago?
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You are not misunderstanding a thing jfh.

So Dr Drack would take aspirin if he had heart disease. Aspirn is a toxic drug that can cause ulcers and liver stress. Aspirin does nothing to alleviate heart disease. It thins the blood, distroys red blood cells and reduces the amount of oxygen in circulation. It masks the issues of the real disease and leads patients down the trail to their death by heart disease for nothing NOTHING is done to actually treat the disease.


All the blood thinners prescribed by conventional medicine lead to death. I have seen a multitude of patients over the years die while on these drugs from the very heart disease they propose to be treating, or from the toxic effects of the drugs themselves. People die daily from coumadin, plavix and aspirin.

The only time a blood thinner should be taken is with severe cardiac irregularites like atrial fib. Savoy alternative folks have even learned how to avoid these drugs in this situation but it takes careful monitoring from a skilled alternative doctor.

As long as the AMA refuses to acknowlege that orthomolecular medicine can irradicate heart disease we will, as a nation continue to have heart disease as a number one killer. As long as doctors and nurses around the nation in hospitals converge around meeting tables over dunkin doughnuts, candy, diet cokes and other trash food we will be dying of heart diesease. They are emersed in their own folly. As long as they turn a blind eye to right nutrition and refuse to live and teach the right way, we will have heart disease. They care not enough for thier own health, so how to trust them with anothers? They are a reflection of the disease they so fear and distain and make a bundle of cash off.

As for cancer... all cancers have a pathogen involved. ALL... either in the causative stage or later in the progression of the disease and the pathogen must be addressed to find a cure. But that is for another day. This has been proven time and again within the alternative health realms and amongst the people who have CURED their cancer... cured, not repressed, not delayed, not in remission.
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You are not misunderstanding a thing jfh.

So Dr Drack would take aspirin if he had heart disease. Aspirn is a toxic drug that can cause ulcers and liver stress. Aspirin does nothing to alleviate heart disease. It thins the blood, distroys red blood cells and reduces the amount of oxygen in circulation. It masks the issues of the real disease and leads patients down the trail to their death by heart disease for nothing NOTHING is done to actually treat the disease.


All the blood thinners prescribed by conventional medicine lead to death. I have seen a multitude of patients over the years die while on these drugs from the very heart disease they propose to be treating, or from the toxic effects of the drugs themselves. People die daily from coumadin, plavix and aspirin.

The only time a blood thinner should be taken is with severe cardiac irregularites like atrial fib. Savoy alternative folks have even learned how to avoid these drugs in this situation but it takes careful monitoring from a skilled alternative doctor.

As long as the AMA refuses to acknowlege that orthomolecular medicine can irradicate heart disease we will, as a nation continue to have heart disease as a number one killer. As long as doctors and nurses around the nation in hospitals converge around meeting tables over dunkin doughnuts, candy, diet cokes and other trash food we will be dying of heart diesease. They are emersed in their own folly. As long as they turn a blind eye to right nutrition and refuse to live and teach the right way, we will have heart disease. They care not enough for thier own health, so how to trust them with anothers? They are a reflection of the disease they so fear and distain and make a bundle of cash off.

As for cancer... all cancers have a pathogen involved. ALL... either in the causative stage or later in the progression of the disease and the pathogen must be addressed to find a cure. But that is for another day. This has been proven time and again within the alternative health realms and amongst the people who have CURED their cancer... cured, not repressed, not delayed, not in remission.
Low dose aspirin a great thing to take, even Dr Weil says 81 mg a day is an excellent tonic. I am not a fan of MDs but not all medicines are extreme nasties. mg per mg, aspirin is much safer than MMS.
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Low dose aspirin a great thing to take, even Dr Weil says 81 mg a day is an excellent tonic. I am not a fan of MDs but not all medicines are extreme nasties. mg per mg, aspirin is much safer than MMS.
I believe that low dose aspirin is really fairly ineffectual in preventing clots.

And tell me? why do doctors not do fibrogen levels on those over 50 years old annyally? Why are they not treating the inflammation that causes this condition? Why are they not working to heal the vessels? Instead they wait for the heart attack or stroke, the emergeny room insanity, the long drawn out recovery, if at least even partially possible.

This is what Natural News has to say abou it and I fully agree. Putting people on aspirin forever is insanity. The vascular system needs to be treated and cleaned out. Such blood thinner should be for short term use only, a couple of months at the most. It is the therapy for people who really have no interest in their own healing... or those who like fools believe what doctors have to say. Because doctors refuse to work at cleaning out the vasucular system they create a cash cow for themselves, deplete medicare by the use of worthless treatments that dont even improve the quality of life and pad the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry, for whom they work for as drug pushers.
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Low dose aspirin a great thing to take, even Dr Weil says 81 mg a day is an excellent tonic. I am not a fan of MDs but not all medicines are extreme nasties. mg per mg, aspirin is much safer than MMS.
Did you forget about nattokinase? Wouldn't you prefer to use it instead of aspirin? Just nothing better at dissolving clots. Then serrapeptase to clear the arteries.

I even have found that nattokinase is great for sinus headaches.
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I'm pretty sure most doctors take the Hippocratic Oath, I sure did. And

Arrowind: Yeah, I get it, he's decided to stop the meds no matter what. That still means I'll need more information before giving any advice. Also, since stopping steroids abruptly can cause, you know, death, I feel that should be mentioned no matter how grown up he is. Making assumptions like that can kill, so I don't care if it has to be said one time to many.

Ozzie: I'm not sure why everyone loves surgery so much more than other fields, as it has it's own ton of side effects just like anything else. I guess it's just more impressive. As for the drugs, what I would take would of course depend on what ailments I'd have. It's all about weighing pros vs cons. For example, if I had heart problems, I'd sure as hell take at least the Aspirin, but I'd discontinue it if I had a bleeding problem. For the time being, I'm young and healthy, so I don't take anything regularly.

I'm not sure why you say we don't look for a cause of the problem, are you thinking of anything specific?

And what do you mean by accident? That you happen to take the blood thinners after all? They control bleeding from the bigger vessels by clamping them or burning them, but this is done during any surgery. The problem is blood leaking everywhere from the capillaries, which makes it a lot harder for the surgeon to see, and increasing the risk of mistakes. This is harder to control, and would be worse if you're on blood thinners. Did that answer your question?

Thank you Drack for answering my questions, although you didn't say if you would have vaccinations
I mean by looking for the problem before giving pills, most diseases have a cause, and something must cause these diseases whether it be lack of minerals in the body or something else.

I understand there are a lot of problems with surgery as well.

My hubby ended up with Atelectasis, after having surgery for Hernia.

He was prescribed a pill by a physician for the after affects of a mild stroke he had, which would have killed him if he hadn't looked up the side effects before filling the script, (Amytriptaline, for the head aches) he has bradycardia and very low blood pressure.

No I dont take any medications at all now, no blood thinners either.I prefer to take vitamins and minerals to keep myself healthy, and stick to a no junk food,and no red meat diet.
If I ever do go back to a Dr I would prefer to go to an Holistic Dr.

I wish you well with your chosen profession.
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Of course Ozzie, there is nattokinase as we all know here as well as many other natural herbs and foods that will keep the blood thin, not to mention good old hydration, which so many elderly fail at.. It takes a combined approach.

Nattokinase and serrapeptase are also great anti-inflammatories... not to mention vitamin C and bioflavinoids.

Drack clearly showed us his stuff when he offered that he would treat heart condition with aspirin. The first thing to roll off his fingers ... no mention of diet, vitamin c, enzymes, EDTA chelation, co enzyme Q10, niacin, iodine. But good old aspirin... Oh well. He will really really want to have to learn if he will even save his own hide... never mind anyone elses...but he will likely make a lot of money over time as his patients never really get well and keep coming to him with one chronic disease after another, increasing their drug load yearly as well as their toxic load.

Yes, my husband is a member of the veterans medical care system. We are thankful for that in case of broken limb or other injury. They require that he have a yearly physical so he recently went for that. He's 63. They requested him to start aspirin 81mg a day for absolutley no good reason... not even a bad reason was presented. They did not check fibrogen levels. His heart is good. His circulation appears great. He is very physically active with no duress.

Why?

He takes plenty of vitamin c a day as well as a good b complex and resversatrol and pycogenol, co q10, iodine. We eat grass fed beef now so he's getting all the omegas that he needs. We may consider nattokinase in the later years. He is also a smoker to my great dismay.. but after 50 years of smoking his lung xrays look picture perfect. He did quite for 1.5 years a while back.

I was so glad to hear that iodine is very protective to the lungs from another recent post... but his good xrays were also present before we started iodine. Largely I atribute it all to the decent food we have always eaten... even when he cheats much more than I.
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Did you forget about nattokinase? Wouldn't you prefer to use it instead of aspirin? Just nothing better at dissolving clots. Then serrapeptase to clear the arteries.

I even have found that nattokinase is great for sinus headaches.
LOW dose aspirin and White willow bark is what I was referring to. Dose levels that act like a tonic, not a large dose.
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Ozzie: I'm not sure why everyone loves surgery so much more than other fields, as it has it's own ton of side effects just like anything else.?
I will spell it out for you. An honest surgeon only does surgery when there is no other recourse.

It generally does not include long term toxic drug therapy. It corrects what no other can correct. It fixes what drug and diet and prayer has failed at. It can restore balance and life and put crumpled and crippled bodies back to function. And these days a good surgery can really do wonders for limb and organ. It must be done judiciously. It does have side effects at times. These side effects are weighed against the pain and suffering that not having the surgery would bring and it is a decsion between patient and physician. Most often people walk away from most surgery will little to no side effects if the surgery was done well and for the right reason.

Surgery should not be done for most organic disease and cancer. There are exceptons to every rule. The body heals best from the inside out.. but the conventional physician knows not how to bring it about.

They are the master doctors and more of what a doctor should be instead of pushing dangerous drugs that fix nothing and cause poisonous effects.. Now if they would only learn nutrition and orthomolecular medicine to back their great work for correct nutriton and supplementation so greatly speeds the healing process

It was a surgeon that saved me and my unborn twice when no other thing could work. I am eternatlly grateful for their great skill.
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