UPDATE: Chlorine taste (free chlorine?) doesn't seem to correlate directly with maximum chlorine dioxide production!

I just read this in Book 2:

Obviously the citric acid works
as hundreds of people have used it so far and it worked on Dr.
Hesselink’s friend’s arthritis. It appears to be more effective than
vinegar or lime for activation, because I was able to measure a
greater amount of chlorine dioxide present in the solution. It is 10
times the strength of the vinegar activated MMS. So if you try it, let
us know if you get as good results as we have so far.





Hi Pinballdoctor,

Assuming that citric acid activator is 10 TIMES better than acetic acid, then why would anyone use vinegar??

My taste test of 5 drops MMS if equal solutions of lime juice and vinegar did not show lime/citric acid activated solution tasting 10 times stronger than the vinegar/acetic acid solution. On the contrary, both samples had an equally strong chlorine taste, which is easy to ascertain should you compare either 5 drop solution with a much stronger tasting 15 drop MMS solution (3x stronger).

However, if the chlorine taste strength does not necessarily correlate directly with the amount of chlorine dioxide ultimately assimulated into the bloodstream, then we are back to my original questions:
Does Stronger Chlorine Taste Mean Better Activation?
Does tasting more chlorine always indicate more ClO2?

Since the activation goal is to get more chlorine dioxide assimulated into the bloodstream, then this should be the effectiveness being measured to determine relative activator strength. We need more objective quantification!!

Based upon my taste tests, I can't believe that citric acid is a 10x better activator, but only a chemist can tell us based upon ClO2 production in solution which activator is quantifiably better/stronger; and only a biologist can tell us quantifiably which activated solution is best assimulated in the blood stream.

Are these important questions? I believe they are. I wish I personally had the knowledge and means to answer these questions myself. It is my hope that someone out there with the education and means will come forward with the answers to these (and other) questions. The answers will help move the medical use of sodium chlorite from folk remedy to science, and potentially help way more people in the process.

Well, the thing is, I already believe in the action of MMS -- the provision of a source of hypochlorite for our immune system. So I know it would work to treat various infections.

What I'm trying now is to apply them in cases that indeed have "gone too far" to see if it could still perform some miracle. So far, it hasn't. But I'm not blaming the MMS because such cases would most likely die as well without it. (Yeah, we still have pet owners who, for mainly economic reasons, do not bring in their troubled pets early enough.)

Well, along the way, I am and will be trying it on less life-threatening situations.

Gerry

With all the discussion about best activator and so on, I got to more thinking. Is activation that important?

The way I see it, Humble only "discovered" and "resorted to" activation because in spite of the success of his oxygenated water, he had some "failures" or non-responders. He later concluded that the action of the oxygenated water was the release of chlorine dioxide, and he found out that acidification assured its release so that there would be no non-responders or failures. But chlorine dioxide is a gas, so if indeed it is released by acidification/activation, will we still be swallowing it? Would we not rather have it "activated" when it's already inside our bodies? How much is "wasted" (released as gas into the air) before we get to swallow the mixture?

Going back to Humble's use of oxygenated water (which is sodium chlorite), he had significant success. Why is this now ignored in discussions about MMS? As for the failures, oxygenated water being some 1/8 the strength of the MMS we now use, could it just be underdosing? What if, instead of acidification, he simply increased the dose of his oxygenated water? I don't recall reading such attempts in his books. We still increase doses of MMS anyway, if something we're treating is not responding.

Reading up again about chlorine dioxide in Wiki (click here), I notice that release of chlorine dioxide from sodium chlorate and sodium chlorite is with hydrochloric acid! the same acid we have in our stomach. So why not just rely on that mechanism, which is obviously the mechanism when plain oxygenated water was used with success?

And considering sodium chloride (salt) and sodium chlorite chemically, I think they're both ionic compounds that separate once dissolved, even in plain water. Salt dissolves into sodium and chlorine ions, while sodium chlorite dissolves into sodium and chlorite (chlorine dioxide with a negative charge?) ions. Absorbed as such, the chlorite could just be as readily available to our immune system for hypochlorite formation. Even acidification with our stomach HCl acid may not be needed. The more I think about this, the more I suspect that failures of Humble's oxygenated water were just due to underdosing.

I've only taken "overdosed" MMS twice, first with vinegar, and then with plain water, several days apart. So my observations on the effects may not be as valid as those who are taking it daily. So for those who are taking it daily, particularly if you've reached your therapeutic dose (feel nausea), how about trying it both ways? Take it with acidification, noting your body's response, and the following day, take it without acidification. I strongly suspect that you may not notice any difference. And I even suspect that taking it without acidification would have a stronger effect because no wastage (gas loss during acidification) occurs. Anyone willing to experiment?

Gerry

Thank you so much Gerry. When I first read your suggestion about letting the activation occur in the stomach, I felt slightly nervous but not now.
Yes, I volunteer both D and myself for the internal activation experiment.

Hey, wait a minute - what is this stuff going to taste like?
I suppose that is part of the experiment!

Perhaps stomach acid (HCl) should work (per below chlorine dioxide in Wiki ). Glad to see some thinking about the chemistry. --Corpus

Traditionally, chlorine dioxide for disinfection applications has been made by one of three methods using sodium chlorite or the sodium chlorite - hypochlorite method:
2NaClO2 + 2HCl + NaOCl → 2ClO2 + 3NaCl + H2O *******or the sodium chlorite - hydrochloric acid method:
5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 5NaCl + 4ClO2 All three sodium chlorite chemistries can produce chlorine dioxide with high chlorite conversion yield, but the chlorite-HCl method suffers from the requirement of 25% more chlorite to produce an equivalent amount of chlorine dioxide.

Not willing to experiment right now as I am off of it for the time being but I would suggest this. Many people have insufficient HCL acid in their stomachs and this includes a vast amount of people over 45 years or so and then almost all elderly folks. Activating it before ingestion assures that they get the chlorine dioxide that they are after.

When trying to provide a formula to the masses you seek one that will serve the greatest percentage successfully.

Hey, I figured out he color thing!

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Good colour, Arrow!
This will certainly be an experiment on a small scale to begin with. D is due for 15 drops today. I explained the theory to him and he has agreed to drink it without prior activation. So maybe just 6 drops in pineapple juice to begin with, to see if he can cope with the taste.

I will report back later

https://www.healthsalon.org/315/jim-h...he-use-of-mms/

From Jim�s Website: www.miraclemineral.org
When I mention drops of MMS I always mean add 5 times that many drops of lemon, lime, or citric acid solution, wait three minutes and then add 1/3 to 2/3 glass of water or juice and drink. Never use MMS without the addition of lemon, lime, or citric acid or in an emergency if you have no citric acids, use vinegar. Use only apple, grape, or pineapple juice without added vitamin C or ascorbic acid.
What is the Normal MMS Protocol
Note: When following the instructions below, keep this paragraph in mind. Always activate the MMS drops with one of the food acids, either lemon juice drops, or lime juice drops, or citric acid solution drops (to make citric acid solution add 1 level tablespoon of citric acid and 9 tablespoons of water. Store it in a bottle with a lid.) Always use 5 drops of one of these food acids to each one drop of MMS, mix in a empty dry glass and wait at least 3 minutes, then add 1/3 to 2/3 glass of water or juice and drink. (You can expand the 3 minutes out to 10 minutes, and after adding the juice or water you can wait up to an hour before drinking.)

Thanks for the reminder, corpus!
I wish he would give the reason for the need to activate before swallowing.
Maybe the experiment has just got smaller - say, one drop?

I remember Jim stating the above (in subject title) from book one, but would still like to better understand the science as to why.

Jim only recommends vinegar activator in an emergency too, so again I would love to have the scientific explanation of the why.

Maybe it will be in the "information" you were going to email to me? I'm still looking for it. THANKS!

OK corpus - it's on the way!

Gerry, I am sorry to say, the experiment is off, as far as D is concerned! He read through some of this and some instinct in him has just said No.

I am game to try for 2 drops of MMS in pineapple juice, in an hour from now.
(Full of Chicken Korma, rice, baked apple, ice cream. Aaahh)

Xania,

Just want to mention that I read in the testimonials that I just posted that someone with cancer who was using MMS had increased levels of cancer antigen or whatever they were testing for in their cancer tests as they used MMS. I suspect that this is what the test picked up on when tumors were being broken down and eliminated.
After a period of time the levels went way down. So if you do a psa again take this into consideration.

HIV patients may have also a decrease in T cell counts initially as the MMS takes out the damaged T cells. After a few weeks they should see increased T cells as the body builds new and healthy ones. This is a common occurrence in ozone therapy for HIV also.

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I have read and heard lots of reports about MMS, and I must admit, I am skeptical, however, I know a lady who has leukemia, very low blood counts, almost anaemic etc. Do you all think that this stuff would be of assistance?

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Arrowwind, thanks for the information. We are waiting to hear what the latest PSA was. Doc is supposed to phone. If it has gone up, he wants D to change over to stilbestrol. D has been feeling better in himself for a few days. He hasn't had symptoms of the Cancer for - maybe 3 years now. Osteoporosis troubles him a lot though.