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Gerry, have you tried MMS on any of your animals? did you get any results?
An officemate is using it on her shih-tzu who's had a chronic skin problem -- itching and flakes -- which I considered a dermatitis. It was previously positive for demodectic mites. The dog responded almost immediately (lesions drying up and itching stopped), but then, the itching started when she shampooed her again. It seems the cause of the itching is clear, but she says she has to shampoo it regularly.

She planned to use one drop a day, but she was away and her companion gave one squirt from the bottle instead of only one drop (probably doubted the very low dosage). This caused vomiting and diarrhea, and the stoppage of the treatment. When she returned, she gave the proper one drop dosage (just mixed in the drinking water) and there wasn't any reaction observed, other than the recovery of the skin problem (which was also noted when one squirt was given).

I tried my intravenous preparation on a couple of cases of leptospirosis and a case of parvovirus. Unfortunately, all those cases died in spite of the treatment with MMS (which was only part of the total regimen for the conditions). The lepto cases were advanced, the animals already showing icterus/jaundice, which indicates a grave prognosis (more than 90% of dogs showing icterus in lepto eventually die in spite of treatment). The parvo case was also considered grave (white blood cell count below the expected "cut-off for possible recovery"). I only gave intravenous MMS once in all the three cases.

Still on the lookout for cases to try sodium chlorite on.

(Interesting clip on the UP MedChoir. Shows that doctors can also sing. LOL)

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An officemate is using it on her shih-tzu who's had a chronic skin problem -- itching and flakes -- which I considered a dermatitis. It was previously positive for demodectic mites. The dog responded almost immediately (lesions drying up and itching stopped), but then, the itching started when she shampooed her again. It seems the cause of the itching is clear, but she says she has to shampoo it regularly.

She planned to use one drop a day, but she was away and her companion gave one squirt from the bottle instead of only one drop (probably doubted the very low dosage). This caused vomiting and diarrhea, and the stoppage of the treatment. When she returned, she gave the proper one drop dosage (just mixed in the drinking water) and there wasn't any reaction observed, other than the recovery of the skin problem (which was also noted when one squirt was given).

I tried my intravenous preparation on a couple of cases of leptospirosis and a case of parvovirus. Unfortunately, all those cases died in spite of the treatment with MMS (which was only part of the total regimen for the conditions). The lepto cases were advanced, the animals already showing icterus/jaundice, which indicates a grave prognosis (more than 90% of dogs showing icterus in lepto eventually die in spite of treatment). The parvo case was also considered grave (white blood cell count below the expected "cut-off for possible recovery"). I only gave intravenous MMS once in all the three cases.

Still on the lookout for cases to try sodium chlorite on.
so, what is your opinion based on the few cases you've tried it on? Does it seem to be something that might not be of use if the progression of the problem has gone too far? or perhaps the difference is in the type of problem?

you might be able to get a better idea of for what problems and at what stage MMS is best done by what you find out on your animals.

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(Interesting clip on the UP MedChoir. Shows that doctors can also sing. LOL)

Gerry
that's right! They are in "your neighborhood", aren't they?

well, I love that particular song, and I thought this choir had one of the best renditions (there are many versions of this on youtube).

but.. the upchoir has quite a few videos on youtube. enjoy!:

UP Medchoir on YouTube
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(Hope I found the right place for this post.)

I got my MMS Wednesday afternoon and immediately tried a few drops with lemon juice as a citric acid activator after 3 minutes. The taste wasn't as bad as I anticipated it would be and I just used water to drink it down. Not much seemed to happen, but I wasn't treating any specific illness either--was just curious about what would be involved in using MMS.

Thursday morning I started on an empty stomach increasing the dose a few drops until I had ingested well over 15 drops activated with lemon juice as activator by late morning. The chlorine taste was very strong with more drops, but no problem to gulp down. I had no nausea, but by late afternoon my system was eliminating more than usual, but nothing uncomfortable.

So, I decided to take another 15+ drop dose before going to bed. This time I activated with juice for a fresh squeezed lime off my tree. After adding a couple ounces of water after 3 minutes, I gulped it down. This time the chlorine and acid taste was very strong, so I rinsed it down with a few more ounces of water than before. Slept fine.

When I got up this morning, I decided to take another 15+ drops using vinegar as the activator. I was bracing for the worst since I don't even like the taste of vinegar, but that gulp tasted no where near as bad as the previous night's with fresh lime juice. I think the fresh lime juice was a much higher concentration of acid itself, but the chlorine taste was also definitely much stronger with the lime juice than with the vinegar.

Now I'm wondering if the lime juice was a better activator than the vinegar since the vinegar activated solution was so much easier to swallow.....
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Welcome corpus! Thanks for joining us.

As Jim Humble specified the use of vinegar, citric acid, lemon juice (I used lime juice at first) it is safe to believe that all these activators do the same job. I agree there are differences in taste, according to which activator you use.
Have you tried testing the solution with a pH strip to see which acivator changes the pH more - if any? I keep meaning to do that, and now your post has prompted me to remember to do it this evening.

Lucky you to have fresh limes growing within reach!
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Xania, Thank you for the welcome and reply to my questions.

Is being able to smell and taste more chlorine a positive indication that more chlorine dioxide has been activated? (I don't have litmus paper to exactly determine pH of the different activators and equivalent 5-1 MMS solutions after 3 minutes.)

It could be that smelling and tasting higher chlorine may be actually reducing the amount of chlorine dioxide ultimately being delivered into the blood stream. Is a more acidic activator better or worse?

I would be very interested if Jim or anyone else has published more exact data for most efficiently mixing with activators for greatest potency in the final solution.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:59 AM
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Corpus, when I have done the pH strip tests, I will post the results here.

There is so much individual variation in what we each taste and smell, so it has to be a subjective test. The pH strips are more reliable. Oh, OK, I'll do it now - back soon
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pH of MMS Greater than 8.
pH of lemon juice Less than 5.5
pH of vinegar Less than 5.5

So we start with a strongly alkaline liquid - the test strip turned very dark blue/almost black. That was beyond the range printed on the colour comparison chart.

Lemon juice and vinegar have the same pH - the test strip changed
slightly from its dry colour of pale creamy yellow to something nearer white.

Activated MMS is also less than pH 5.5 I used both lemon juice, then vinegar to check each individually.
I have no way to measure the gas. Smells much the same to me, whether it's lemon juice of vinegar. Maybe another member, more knowledgable in the chemical reactions of this solution will provide a better answer for you.
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Thanks for your data Xania.

After seeing your pH measurements, I constructed a side-by-side taste test with only 5 drops MMS in each of two glasses which had been filled to the same height, one with fresh squeezed lime juice, and the other with 5% distilled vinegar solution.

I only used 5 drops MMS to allow for longer tasting instead of one quick gulp of stronger 15 drop solutions. After 3 minutes, I added the same amount of water (about 2 ounces) to each glass, and then tasted each one. The vinegar didn't taste as strong as the lime juice, but the lime juice had a stronger taste than the vinegar even before the MMS was added. I also noticed a pepper scent in the lime juice that wasn't present in the vinegar.

However, after alternately carefully tasting both the vinegar and the lime juice solutions, it seemed that the chlorine taste and smell were comparable/same in both.

Hence, I would conclude that the stronger and more corrosive taste I experienced last evening was because I had proportionately way more lime juice (squeezed 2 key limes instead of 1) in that mixture compared to the vinegar in the solution I made this morning. Yet greater than 5-1 proportion of lime juice was unnecessary and actually detracted from palatability.

I also would conclude from my taste tests that the 15+ drop MMS in vinegar solution is easier to gulp down than the lemon or lime juice solutions.

Hope these subjective observations are useful, and I look forward to other feedback and preferences.
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I can answer your question but I have found that the citric acid makes the strongest solution. Since you went right up to 15 drops so easily perhaps you don't need it on a daily baisis.
Jim Humble says. 6 drops a day for older folks and 6 drops 3 x week for younger folks as a preventative. This is for folks who have no major health issue that needs work.
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Arrow - you said that citric acid makes the "strongest" solution.

In what way strongest, please? Are you referring to taste?
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Hi Arrowwind,

Before I ever ordered the MMS, I did as much research as I could on sodium chlorite to make sure I wouldn't hurt myself, and after several hours concluded "it couldn't hurt." I'm an engineer, not a scientist.

However, I never did completely satisfy myself on how the chemistry works, but I'm not a chemist either. I do undertand that chlorine dioxide is formed as the sodium chlorite is put in acid, so I assume the weak bonding of citrate and acetate ions facilitate the formation of chlorine dioxide without permanently bonding to it. Hopefully some chemist can clarify exactly what is going on.

Anyway, if citrates work better than acetates, then it would seem to be due to the actual ionic bonding charteristics of each, assuming there is sufficient concentration of either acid to produce enough acidity--which would appear to be a minimum of 5/acid-to-1/MMS by volumn in each case.

I would be interested to know just how much better citric acid allows the body to absorb chlorine dioxide than does acetic acid.

Are we talking 10% better, or 100% better?? I'd love to have a chemist explain and give a reasonable ball park. Any chemists out there??
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I'm also wondering how the chlorine dioxide can distinguish a good bacteria or virus from a bad one, or does ClO2 kill both good and bad indescriminately in generally aiding the immune system, but the immune system only kills the bad stuff which allows the good stuff better opportunity to regenerate. In which case, it would be nice to know at what point too much use of sodium chlorite causes more harm than good. I know Jim says 25 drops are perfectly safe based upon his experience, but I would sure like to an informed opinion (though 25 drops looks to be well within the safe limits I've read in researching this myself).

Maybe a biologist can explain what is going on? Anyone out there??
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I'm taking the 15+ drops at least twice a day for a week to establish a base line from which I can examine the validity of Jim's claims (hoping they are all true), and doing so while I'm not sick so I know how it compares to when I take it when I actually do get sick someday.

However, I'm also interested in seeing if it really helps/eliminates some long time conditions like the occassional cold sore I that has popped up now and then my whole life, or the apparent onset of arthritis and BPH in my mid-50s. If these things go away, then I'll have a lot more confidence in using MMS should I get hit with a real bad illness later, and in spreading the word to others. I gotta prove it in real life first. :-))
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I worked up to 15 drops over two weeks. What was the rush in two days if you're in good health?
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Hi Baby,

I read about your struggle with cancer that you posted. I understand that someone fighting a severe illness should have more actually going on if MMS works as claimed.

As a person apparently in good health and not getting the side affects that other sick folks have gotten when using MMS, I decided to start pushing up the dose until I did get negative side affects. So even at 15 drops or more twice a day, I have negligible side affects.

I'm my own test subject.

Actually, this information about the MMS experience of a basically healthy person (some minor issues noted in an earlier post) should be useful too, as was yours.

I hope to establish an MMS "pathogen free" base line over the next few days from which to compare to any future health problems. If all goes as planned, I would then tell other folks about my own experience with MMS, but not until I actually have a more complete experience. This seems prudent to me.
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Welcome corpus! Thanks for joining us.

As Jim Humble specified the use of vinegar, citric acid, lemon juice (I used lime juice at first) it is safe to believe that all these activators do the same job. I agree there are differences in taste, according to which activator you use.
Have you tried testing the solution with a pH strip to see which acivator changes the pH more - if any? I keep meaning to do that, and now your post has prompted me to remember to do it this evening.

Lucky you to have fresh limes growing within reach!
I just wanted to point out that Jim also states that when citric acid is used as the activator, the solution is much stronger. (10X stronger)
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Thanks pbd. Can you recall what it is that is stronger? Sorry to ask, but I won't have time to read through it again till Monday.
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