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Thank you for the reply. I guess I misunderstood the instructions.

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Does anyone know for sure what the shelf life of MMS is?
I would like to stock a bit myself, but it seems like something that may deteriorate fairly fast.

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MMS will keep for years if you keep it away from light.
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Option "B" is needles in the heels or surgery.
Surgury isnt an option... no medical insurance, plus because of the job I do, I cant be laid up or off my feet at any time.... Now as for needles, if Xania were to come to my house, I would allow her to do all the needle poking her little heart desires...But considering the fact that there is an ocean between her and I, I cant imagine her coming anytime soon... Any chance Xania????
But, the calcium and magnesium will be gotten tomorrow, and started tomorrow.... For the moment, I am boiling some kava root, to soak my foot in to see if I can get it calmed down a bit tonite....
Thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it
Mine was not really a full fledged heel spur, but just inflamed where the achilles tendon joins the heel. I used DMSO and it worked, but not as well as with my knee and elbow. On my heel, I had to repeat the DMSO application 2 or 3 times.

I have also read that taking betaine hydrochloride with calcium and magnesium helps.
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Thanks Iggy for the info, I actually spent alot of time on a search in the other forum last night, and read your post and alot of the others... You posted an exercise that is suppose to help with this, that I printed out and plan on using.... But, 2000 mg of msm, soaked the foot in Kava, took some kava, and then started on some mineral caps that totaled to 1200 mgs of both calcium and mag, and some boron, but dont remember the amt.... Pain is alot better, actually gone for most of the day, but this evening starting to throb a bit... Glad I still have more kava root!!!


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Again, this study is about sodium chlorite, not chlorine dioxide.
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Pharmacodynamics of alcide, a new antimicrobial compound, in rat and rabbit; Scatina J et al.; Alcide is a germicidal preparation which has been shown to kill a wide range of common pathogenic bacteria as well as fungi, in vitro . This preparation is composed of Part A and Part B which contains sodium chlorite (NaClO2) and lactic acid as the active ingredients, respectively . The two parts are combined in equal volumes immediately prior to application resulting in the formation of chlorine dioxide (ClO2) . Alcide gel was applied to the shaven backs of 18 female Sprague-Dawley rats in a 2.0-g/kg dose by combining 1 g of each part immediately prior to administration . This dose was applied for a period of 10 days to reach a steady state . On the 11th day, 36Cl-labeled Alcide gel, which contained Na36ClO2 in Part A, was administered to the animals in a 0.6-g dose (2.0 g/kg) containing 0.1 microCi . The half-life for 36Cl absorption was 22.1 hr while the elimination half-life was 64.0 hr . 36Cl was excreted by the kidneys with chloride (Cl-) and chlorite as the metabolites . Ninety-six hours after Alcide administration, radioactivity was highest in whole blood and lowest in fat . In a 90-day subchronic dermal toxicity study in rabbits, exposure to Alcide gel resulted in decreased glutathione concentrations in blood of the group receiving 2.0 g/kg Alcide as well as in the placebo gel group which received the same dose of gel. weblink:toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3part1/479
Hey, maybe MMS' causing a reduction in glutathione is responsible for it's efficacy against cancer. On Tuesday's Grouppe Kurosawa paid blog, Dr Steve explains how brain cancer can be attacked by limiting glutathione in the brain. He mentions a drug, Sulfasalazine, and also a supplement, sodium selenite, that act to reduce glutathione.
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Here is another question -
On the hsi forum, Oily George posted this
"MMS is gone in 120 minutes - so wait 2 hours before you take an anti-oxidant. Keepin it simple."

Jim Humble said to leave four hours between MMS and Vit C, and Oily says 2 hours. Is there good reason to think two hours is sufficient? It would suit me well, if it is so!
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Waiting 2 hours would be the minimum. 4 hours would be better, 6 hours would be better yet.
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I recall Jim writing that a second dose (of MMS) should be taken 2 - 3 hours after the first, so maybe that is sufficient time. I must look in to this MMS time of activity - which will, of course, vary with individuals.
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Jim states the second dose should be taken about an hour after the first dose. This is so the MMS can penetrate further into the body.
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Penetrate further? I expect you mean, to achieve a higher concentration? The "penetration", as a function of absorption, will be standard, whatever the concentration, surely?!!
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I kind of see it like this and I don't know if its accurate or not but he first dose will get used up hitting the first pathogens it comes in contact with in the blood. The second dose will move further into organs as the blood is cleared more blood with active mms is still available to move further into more obscure areas of the body, further from the source of entrance.
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Blood - yes. General circulation. So MMS, in whatever dose, will be absorbed into the blood stream, travel around the body in - what - 10, 12 seconds? Then set to work wherever it finds a use for its capabilities? I have trouble picturing it travelling "further"!
I imagine it might take longer to clear a heavily colonised area, than a small group of pathogens. But we all picture things in different ways, and maybe it's not that important.

Arrow, do you understand the duration of action of MMS to be about 4 hours? More?
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I have trouble picturing it travelling "further"!
I imagine it might take longer to clear a heavily colonised area, than a small group of pathogens. But we all picture things in different ways, and maybe it's not that important.
Something I think about is tuberculosis. The TB organism is encapsulated by several layers of tissue (granuloma). It might take a longer treatment, unless the first shot can fully penetrate that granuloma and finish the job (which I doubt). In fact, the granuloma forms because somehow, the macrophages had insufficient "firepower" (lack of hypochlorite, or arginine to produce peroxynitrite?) to kill the organisms.

Just guessing.

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The TB image is a good one - thanks Gerry. What do you say is the likely duration of action of MMS?
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The TB image is a good one - thanks Gerry. What do you say is the likely duration of action of MMS?
I have no idea. Like the rest of us, I rely on what is being presented from literature.

I see the 2-hour thing, and if I remember right, it was based on studies of white blood cell activity? But it is possible the white blood cell remains active "on its own" long after the effects of the sodium chlorite. For continuous action (like in treating TB?) I think it would be safe to say that intervals should not be more than 2 hours?

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It would be interesting to know if MMS can penetrate a TB encapsulation, sometimes surgery is required to remove it because no antibiotic can get to it. Fortunately it does not occur in all cases.
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