Just in case there is anyone in UK attempting to contact the distributor Resonance Health - the e-mail cannot be delivered. So they could just be away for a week, or gone out of business.
https://www.globallight.net/Internati...butors_p6.html

I have been seeking opinions about MMS from others Here is an e-mail from a colleague who has a background in radiology.

"I have had a good look through the documents you sent me and I must say I do not feel very happy with what is said. I have tried to find other information about this "treatment" but have had no luck.


My main concern is, if this substance can kill off bacteria and viruses, what damage is it doing to body cells?!


I would be happier if I had found other work to support this chaps' findings and if there had been proper clinical trials instead of the adhoc methods used - how reliable is this anecdotal evidence? "
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That response is typical of a western health professional, of course, but he does ask sensible questions. Are there any answers? As with many kitchen cures or herbal recipes, there aren't going to be clinical trials but the method may be none-the-less valuable for that, as we know.

Of course to the devotees of the scientific method with its double and triple blind testing, all his years of research, testing and field trials are of little value and to them do not sufficiently prove that it actually works.

What impressed me with the story in book one (I actually read the whole thing.) was that he started out with a something that he by chance found that worked, but only about 75% of the time. However over the years he continued to experiment and bit by bit learned from his mistakes. Thus the procedure was improved to were it seems to be able to guarantee consistently good results. The only gray area I see at the moment is, what is the best the dosage for different ailments.

Starting out with a low dose of a couple drops and slowly increasing as needed seem to be a good way to avoid any unpleasant side effects. However it may take longer to see a cure for a problem. Higher doses could produce nausea and weakness but that was the worst it would apparently do, then after a day or two this would pass.

I haven�t read book two so there maybe something more on dosage in it.

Mad, I agree with you, and when I am able to get it, I shall take MMS!
I just don't know how to argue with the type of comment from my colleague! Or with any other western scientific brain-washee. At least it is getting easier for me to point to studies and clinical trials about acupuncture, but MMS - that's different, so far.

Yep. In addition, the type of studies that they rely on can virtually prove anything they want to believe. That's why for me, knowing the pathways is all that we need. If we know the pathway or mechanism of action, then we can easily know the results.

As I started to point out in a previous post, hypochlorite (or hypochlorous acid as mentioned in the book) is the same way that our very own neutrophils fight off pathogens. When neutrophils encounter a pathogen, they increase their oxygen uptake by a hundred-fold, producing hydrogen peroxide in a mechanism requiring NADPH (N is from niacin). This peroxide molecule is unstable, releasing singlet oxygen (oxygen with a negative charge) which, of itself, kills pathogens. However, this singlet oxygen is also so unstable that if not used up, it combines with chlorine, producing hypochlorite which lasts longer, and thus has a longer killing effect. As mentioned, this hypochlorite is no different from what we have in household bleach (which of itself, is a very effective disinfectant).

So the way I see it, MMS, or sodium chlorite, is just an efficient way of delivering chlorine dioxide, which will be the source of hypochlorite. It may be a way of by-passing the need for the high oxygen and peroxide steps in the neutrophil respiratory burst I very briefly discussed, probably also decreasing the need for niacin. So I highly suspect that the claims against pathogens are true. I still don't see the mechanism for cancer, though there have been claims that cancer is also a microbial disease (Progenitor something?)

Harm? Sure, hypochlorite (bleach) can really burn off tissues when concentrated enough. Even the hypochlorite in our neutrophils must remain within the neutrophil so it won't harm surrounding cells. In fact, such neutrophils can die in battle and release such chemicals, but our bodies are equipped with substances like superoxide dismutase and other enzymes to deal with those.

This harm of hypochlorite may be the advantage of sodium chlorite. We can't take in household bleach orally, but we can take in chlorine dioxide (not reactive yet). (Which makes me wonder about having to release the chlorine before ingestion? )

So there is a potential for harm with wrong dosing, but it's the type of harm that our bodies are also capable of dealing with. Unlike the toxins of drug companies...

I really don't see why we should have a fear of chlorine. It is half of table salt, anyway. And I don't think "alternative folks" believe in the low salt myth. (But yes, there are forms of chlorine that react differently, like triclosan and triclocarban in some disinfectant soaps.)

Definitely, treatment of the patient has its place. But using your analogy to what Humble was doing, it seems to me more like pulling the kid and then immediately pushing him right back to the street. This is not to downplay what Humble was doing. I find his efforts heroic and would praise him highly for it. But all is useless unless we deal with the abundant mosquito populations in the areas he was working in.

Gerry

How about this?
Gee! You don�t suppose the reason you could not find any other information is because there obviously is no other information? But what do you suppose the reason for that could be? Could it be a typical �Catch-22� situation is in play here?

To do proper clinical trials, one first has to be a proper clinical doctor and must follow the proper and currently accepted procedures using only officially recognizable knowledge. Since MMS does not fall into any of these categories it is then obvious to the average clinical doctor that it can not possible work and thus no further testing is required.

That is a good question. Yet no one was �reportedly� harmed by taking MSS.

Yes we all would like to see that, but that has not allowed to happen.

At what point, after thousand of tests, does anecdotal evidence cease to be considered anecdotal?


Would these arguments win him over? Probably not. If one has been trained to wear blinders all their life simply removing them will not necessarily cure their tunnel vision. It can become a way too scary world to have to deal with, if all your fundamental beliefs are called into question.

Here's an excerpt from an MMS thread on another forum:

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For now we see through a glass, darkly.... 1st Corinthians 13:12

Mad wrote
"Would these arguments win him over? Probably not. If one has been trained to wear blinders all their life simply removing them will not necessarily cure their tunnel vision. It can become a way too scary world to have to deal with, if all your fundamental beliefs are called into question"

Mad, I have sent Gerry's post, explaining the mechanism of action to him.
I don't know what impact that will have on him.

Many anecdotes do not make a clinical trial - not even thousands of them!!
I am still waiting for my kit. On the site Iggy provided, there is reference to suppliers being behind with their orders due to so much demand.

I don't know, but the way I see it, clinical trials are nothing but formally recorded anecdotes.

For sure, many are structured to consider as many variables as possible, but such is never the case. Remember that clinical trials are what gave us statins, cox-2 inhibitors (Vioxx, Celebrex, etc.), cancer chemotherapy, and a lot of other noxious "therapies." 8)

Gerry

LOL - I like that, Gerry!
"I don't know, but the way I see it, clinical trials are nothing but formally recorded anecdotes"

If he responds to your mechanism of action post, I will post it here, (if it is printable!)

We will be patiently waiting for his reply, (if it is printable)

Xania,

This forum is having a discussion of MMS users, many of whom are lymies, about their experiences. You may want to lurk or join. One mention of someone who is having a tumor shrink and I have a posted a request to a link to where that conversation is going on.

I'm up to 10 drops today.

https://planetthrive.com/cgi-bin/members/register.cgi

Yesterday I took 26 drops spread out over 3 doses. No reaction.

This morning I took 16 drops. Experienced slight nausea.

Update: The 16 drops this morning did the trick. As I mentioned, I had slight nausea but no vomiting.
Around noon my bowels started to loosen. Now I have diarrhea, but not chronic.
I'm glad I got some results and am purging some toxins, hopefully.

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For now we see through a glass, darkly.... 1st Corinthians 13:12

I suspect that the nausea, and even vomiting, if ever, would be similar to what would happen to us when we take in mild (non-toxic dose) bleach, or even hydrogen peroxide.

How can we stay away from chlorine? Salt is essential to life, and it's sodium chloride. And chlorine is essential to life, too, involved in signal conduction in nerves and muscles. Not to mention its role in our immune response, such as the neutrophil respiratory burst. Or its role in digestion -- hydrochoric acid in the stomach.

Chlorine is the elemental form. It's usually a gas.

Chloride is the salt form, when combined to a metal group chemical, such as sodium chloride (NaCl - salt) or magnesium chloride or potassium chloride. When these salts are taken in or dissolved, they dissociate into their ions. Chlorine ion, per se, is non-toxic. But chlorine molecule is toxic. Of course, there's the well known hydrogen chloride (HCl) or hydrochloric acid. Toxicity? it depends where it is and how concentrated it is.

When oxygen is added to chlorine in the salt form, we have hypochlorite with one oxygen atom (ClO-), chlorite if there are two oxygen atoms (ClO2), or chlorate if we have three oxygen atoms (ClO3). There are several forms and toxicity depends on the actual substance itself.

8)

Gerry

I do not think that this is what is happening. I think that if your stomach is toxic you will get nausea. If not, if your in fairly good shape there you will have no problem. I took 10 drops on a completely empty stomach and no nausea for me. But some lymies get nausea with only a couple of drops. In fact some lyme folks have to start with half a drop (but I can't figure out how they measure that )

Here are some sites that discuss sodium chlorite.
https://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs...31404772914473

https://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...ournalCode=odi
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus

https://www.links.jstor.org/sici?sici...OR-enlargePage mice study

https://www.meatscience.org/meetings/..._0000_hawk.pdf
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https://www.ift.confex.com/ift/2005/t...aper_29668.htm

https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/_src...iew_Report.pdf

BTW, I am storing all the info on MMS that I can find on HealthSalon so you can always go there to look for stuff.