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Arrow - thanks for gathering all the information about this.
I have to ask a question, no doubt based on the differences between US-UK English. What do you mean when you refer to "toxic stomach"? Is this a gastric disorder of some kind? Thanks.
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Well, I guess that discription "toxic stomach" is mine. I would include in it any pathogen that does not belong there, heavy metals, excess mucous, cancer, or any other abnormality brought about by inadequate immunity, drainage, or digestive issues, especially regarding decreased HCL and other digestive enzymes that shoud be secreted but are not.
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bifrost99,

You mentioned that we "can't take in household bleach orally" but I remember when either the Purex or Clorox gallon jugs used to have instructions for purifying drinking water printed on them. I believe it was 20 drops to the gallon. During the Y-2K scare I looked everywhere for that information in case of emergency. I wasn't sure which of the two might be safe, and still don't.

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bifrost99,

You mentioned that we "can't take in household bleach orally" but I remember when either the Purex or Clorox gallon jugs used to have instructions for purifying drinking water printed on them. I believe it was 20 drops to the gallon. During the Y-2K scare I looked everywhere for that information in case of emergency. I wasn't sure which of the two might be safe, and still don't.

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Yes, I've read many times that you can sanitize unpure water by adding Chlorox.
I was also told that when I went through Marine Corps survival training.

Yesterday that I took 16 drops, activated with 1/2 tsp of ReaLime, and mixed with distilled water. I experienced slight nausea, no vomiting, and then 3 or 4 hours later I developed mild diarrhea. I didn't really feel too bad, just a little weak. Today I feel super...quite invigorated.

I may not be the best testimonial because I don't have any serious health issues, but I think I may repeat the 16 drop routine on a regular basis, maybe once a month.
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I haven't felt super or invigorated for 20 or 25 years. For one thing, I think I've had sleep apnea most of my life because I was a snorer until diagnosed and fit with a BIPAP-ST machine and mask along with oxygen. Still I don't have energy, but I have a friend that said that the sleep apnea treatment changed his life for the better. Smoking took it's toll on me with COPD. I've been off of cigarettes for over 8 years.

Speaking of that, does anyone feel that the MMS is likely to help with lack of oxygen in COPD or emphysema? I don't totally understand the mechenism by which it is supposed to help the body.

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Speaking of that, does anyone feel that the MMS is likely to help with lack of oxygen in COPD or emphysema? I don't totally understand the mechenism by which it is supposed to help the body.

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Have you tried d-ribose?
https://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php...7n2/ribose.xml
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I have heard of D-Ribose but never tried it. Sure would help if this was in layman's terms so I could understand it better. I'm late for dinner so will try to figure it out later. Thank you for telling me!

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I have heard of D-Ribose but never tried it. Sure would help if this was in layman's terms so I could understand it better. I'm late for dinner so will try to figure it out later. Thank you for telling me!

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I don't know a layman's term for d-ribose. It's a sweet tasting powder.
Available from Beyond-a-Century.
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By layman's terms I was referring to the abreviation and terminology in the article about D-Ribose. For instance, what does tid stand for on the doseage that was used in the trials? Once a day, twice per day?? I understand it well enough to know it would be worth a try. I'll order some soon. Thanks.

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Hi nightowl. Here is a page of abbreviations
https://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=5033

a.c. = before meals (from "ante cibum," before meals)
ad lib: use as much as one desires (from "ad libitum")
b.i.d. = twice a day
caps = capsules
da or daw = dispense as written
g (or gm or GM) = gram
gtt. = drops (from "guttae," drops)
h. = hour
mg = milligram
ml = milliliter
p.c. = after meals (from "post cibum," after meals)
p.o. = by mouth, orally (from "per os," by mouth)
p.r.n. = when necessary (from "pro re nata," for an occasion that has arisen, as circumstances require, as needed)
q.d. = once a day (from "quaque die," once a day)
q.i.d. = four times a day (from "quater in die," 4 times a day)
q._h.: If a medicine is to be taken every so-many hours (from "quaque," every and the "h" indicating the number of hours)
q.h. = every hour
q.2h. = every 2 hours
q.3h. = every 3 hours
q.4h. = every 4 hours
t.i.d. = three times a day (from "ter in die," 3 times a day)
ut dict. = as directed (from "ut dictum," as directed)
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I am still waiting for my kit. On the site Iggy provided, there is reference to suppliers being behind with their orders due to so much demand.
E-mail fron GLN today tells me that my kit has been shipped. Ordered on September 9th. Shipped on September 17th!! That is unusual, so I am still waiting. It must be right, that Iggy reported delays in supplies.
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Thank you Xania. I printed that list and will keep it a handy place.

Now, if I could just understand the Case Report showing the results for a 65 year old man with severe COPD before and after D-ribose!! For instance, on his results chart, what do these mean: VD/VT -Nadir, VT/RR (VD/VT nadir), ETCO2 (VD/VT nadir), VE Eff - Linear slope, and O2 Uptake Eff (linear slope) ?? Pre- DR and Post- DR I understand, but that's all. The man sounds a lot like my case since I am almost 65 years old, I smoked for 40+ years and am now to the "severe" stage of COPD, according to my pulmonary doctor about 2 months ago, so I would like to understand this.

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bifrost99,

You mentioned that we "can't take in household bleach orally" but I remember when either the Purex or Clorox gallon jugs used to have instructions for purifying drinking water printed on them. I believe it was 20 drops to the gallon. During the Y-2K scare I looked everywhere for that information in case of emergency. I wasn't sure which of the two might be safe, and still don't.

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You're right. It all depends on dose and concentration or dilution. As far as water purification goes, bleach (hypochlorite) is what I know to be used in chlorination. I know some military units give out "chlorine tablets" (I don't know what form of chlorine these are) to be placed in water several minutes before drinking.

One thing to consider in addition to dilution is the quick evaporation of the chlorine/hypochlorite from the water to be drank. So while the dilution itself makes bleach safe to drink, its disappearance would also be a factor. Water for aquariums should not be chlorinated, but by letting chlorinated water stand for a couple of hours (a lot shorter if aerator is running), fish can eventually be placed safely.

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So many hidden chemicals are added to cleaning solutions these days that I don't trust bleach to be just hypochlorite. Are Purex and Chlorox the same and can both of them be used safely for water purification? I'm not sure if they even make Purex anymore. I always buy Chlorox. Do you know if 20 drops to the gallon of water is the right amount?

I'm like a little kid, huh?! The more questions you answer the more I ask! Sorry.

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Chlorox is the one. We used it to superchlorinate our water in our camper when we traveled in Mexico. It wasn't much dont remember exactly. A teaspoon or maybe a tablespoon per 20 gallons. Then we had a filter to clean it before use.
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