I haven't been here for a while, but I was surprised to see posts with people taking heavy doses of vitamin C (antioxidant) along with MMS (oxidizer). No wonder 20 plus drops didn't do anything.

Take just 10 drops activated on an empty stomach with no vitamin C and get results!

Corpus, I never take vitamin C (ascorbic acid) with MMS. They are separated by at least one hour. I am following the Dr. Linus Pauling protocol of large amounts of vitamin C + Lysine spread over the day.
Your post above is interesting. Would you please elaborate in greater detail and maybe point to a few references. Thanks.

**Chapter 15 Page 4 The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century

16. Vitamin C that is used in juices as a preservative will
completely prevent the MMS from working. Do not use juices
from off the shelf unless you are sure no vitamin C has been
added. Some pure apple juices do not have added vitamin C.
The natural vitamin C in juices is not a problem.
17. Orange juice will prevent MMS from working. It prevents the
chlorine dioxide from being generated.
18. Apple juice, cranberry juice, grape juice, and pineapple juice
are okay to add to the MMS drink after the three minute wait if
the juices have not had vitamin C added. The best idea is to use
fresh juices that you know do not have vitamin C added. Most
other juices prevent the MMS action that is necessary. Very few
manufacturers do not use vitamin C as a preservative. Read the
label very carefully. If vitamin C has been added do not use the
juice.
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So, you should separate your taking of MMS by several hours before your taking of Vitamin C and other antioxidants. And maybe not even take MMS while megadosing with Vitamin C, as the residual Vitamin C will last at high levels for a day.

Thanks for your post, much appreciated.

May I add. I found that off the shelf organic juices make the Herx worse. The nausea and diahoerea became worse when drinking MMS at levels I had coped with using just water. When I made MMS with fresh juice (apple in my case) I found no worsening.

Obviously thats just me but never know of there is a pattern here. Package juices even organic could have small amounts of rancidity frsh juice will not. Thats what I think happened causing the MMS to react.

Barbara, it has been over a year since you started this thread. What are your feeling now about MMS? Are you still taking it?

A little update about my progress if your interested. I have been brushing my teeth and gums now for 5 days 3 times daily with 10 drops of MMS in 50 drops of citric acid neat mixed with 3/4 teaspoon of DMSO. Certainl burned the surface abcess. think now it os working its way underneath my tooth and possibly to any infected path there. Ill keep it up for a good 3 weeks more at least to be sure.

I got a puzzle for you. As I mentioned earlier I began to suffer from pains and then abcesses in my mouth. But way back in my youth I often had clods and throat infections.

Even now I often get sinus infections and the associated head clog that comes with it. Incidently I beleive this is what was causing the pains in my sinuses during high doses of MMS.

My question is this. Have the infections in my mouth worked theor way up or have the sinus infection worked theor way down to my jaw, cheek and mouth? I have noted that the sinus is right near one of the cheeks that became painful as a clue.

I would be willing to bet you took alot of antibiotics in your younger days.

Antibiotics + time = Fungus.

Sinus problems are caused by fungus.

You need a good antifungal spray such as this:

https://www.seagateproducts.com/olive...sal-spray.html

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As point of fact I did. an just as I think I have learned how much damage I did I now find it it gets worse.

I refuse to use antibiotics and have for a few years now. I even changed GP a few years ago and I notice he is even worse for handing anitbiotics out than my last who is actually known to be bad for it.

Some time ago I spoke in a health store and the lady there said she knew a nurse who visted the shp told her that in her experiance of working around the UK, the doctors in my home city of Hull are the worst for it. In a country that is over reliant on them its a damning statement. But its even more incredible how people accept them and think its the best way to deal with it. Totally close minded.

Anyway thanks for the tip on the spray. I even get ear infections and as we already know ears, nose, throat and mouth are connected. And guess what else I used to have alot as a kid? Sore throats. That could very well explain the overactivity in my thyroid and associated symptoms. So I will give the spray you reccommend a go.

Chlorine Dioxide is thought to be absorbed into the bloodstream through the stomach which is very acidic and sterile--no flora present in stomach.
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Role of Vegetarian Diet in Health and Disease- Vegetarianism- Sports Medicine- Ayurveda - Microbiology and Diet

In adults the empty stomach is generally sterile. Immediately after a meal it contains numerous organisms which have been ingested with food, but these with the exception of acid resistant vegetative bacilli and sporing bacteria, appear to be killed rapidly. If however the motility of the stomach is excessive or the acidity is less than normal, this sterilizing effect of gastric juice is incomplete. Thus, in cases of gastric disease particularly carcinoma, saranae, saprophytic bacilli and other organisms may multiply in the stomach.

In the healthy adult the jejunum and upper ileum are practically sterile.

The number of organisms mainly facultatively anaerobic Streptococci viridans, staphylococci, lactobacilli and fungi increase from the stomach to the ileocaecal valve beyond which the flora becomes much more abundant and qualitatively deficient. The duodenum may contain 100-1000 organisms per ml, the jejunum 1000-10,000, the upper ileum about 100,000 and the lower ileum 1,000,000, but there is a lot of variation from sample to sample.

Up to 300 ppm chlorine dioxide (equivalent to 15 drops activated MMS)studied in rats (humans are much larger) by CMA.
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https://www.epa.gov/iris/toxreviews/0496-tr.pdf

page 20:
The Chemical Manufacturers Association (CMA) conducted a two-generation study to examine reproductive, developmental neurotoxicity, and hematologic endpoints in rats exposed to sodium chlorite (CMA, 1996). Thirty male and 30 female Sprague-Dawley rats of the OFA(SD)IOPS-Caw strain (F0) generation received drinking water containing 35, 70, or 300 ppm sodium chlorite (concentrations of sodium chlorite in the drinking water were apparently adjusted to compensate for the 81.4% purity of the test material) for 10 weeks and were then paired (1M:1F) for mating.

page 33:
Chlorine dioxide in drinking water rapidly degrades to chlorite; in the Michael et al. (1981) study, chlorine dioxide rapidly disappeared from the stored water (within 2�4 hours) and chlorite levels concomitantly increased. Once absorbed, chlorine dioxide and chlorite are cleared from the blood at similar rates and are similarly distributed throughout the body (Abdel-Rahman et al., 1979b, 1982). Additionally, chloride is the major in vivo degradation product of both chlorine dioxide and chlorite. Available data suggest that chlorine dioxide and chlorite have similar targets of toxicity and potencies. Therefore, the toxicity information for chlorite is relevant to deriving an RfD for chlorine dioxide.

The CMA (1996) two-generation study was selected as the critical study for the development of an RfD for both chlorine dioxide and chlorite. Both in its study report (CMA 1996) and in a later journal article (Gill et al., 2000), CMA reported that the study defined a NOAEL of 70 ppm (6 mg/kg-day chlorite) and a LOAEL of 300 ppm (28.6 mg/kg-day chlorite) based on hematologic toxicity.

page 38:
In general, human ingestion studies have found no adverse effects in adults and neonates living in areas with chlorine dioxide-disinfected water.

I just saw this question today.

I still recommend MMS and folks in my part of the world are finding it helpful.
Most interesting is that my 23 year old son has really been promoting it! He usually never listens to me but one of his friends had very good results.

I have not used it in quite a while having nothing particular to treat for myself. I decided quite a while ago that taking it for no reason doesn't make much sense and I do not do a maintenance protocol of 6 drops a day.

I have not found convincing or rather consistent evidence that it is effective for fungus. Sometimes I think that people are misdiagnosing fungus when the issue is really something else. It seems to work for some folks and not for others.

Since my kids are most prone to colds and throat stuff they use it more. I am trying to gear them more to general immune system boosting. I have never been convinced that MMS boosts the immune system in any sustainable way except for the dark field microscope photos of improved formations of white blood cells. Just how long that state stays is not known.

I still have a stock pile, and feel that it is essential to keep some in one's arsenal against what ever may come your way in the microbial world.

Since my husband has had a pretty significant case of polyps I have tried to get him to take it for about 6 weeks but I'm lucky to have him do it for 6 days.

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"Hello again Corpus, --------snip-----
Unfortunately, the MMS protocol generates chlorine dioxide differently, and uses much higher concentrations than fractional drops. If the MMS protocol only involved concentrations of 5 PPM chlorine dioxide, we could embrace the findings of the Lubbers 12 week study. We also could speculate on the CMA study and take a 70 PPM chlorine dioxide solution once, which is similar to the method that Jim Humble used when working with people with malaria. However, instead of sticking to the NOAEL of 70 PPM, Jim Humble is recommending a dose that has about 600 PPM. As I mentioned before, there are no studies involving these high concentrations of chlorine dioxide looking at what effects they have inside the body."


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Thanks for the more exact number crunching, and I agree with them.

It is hard to determine just how much chlorine dioxide is assimulated though. I generally burp a few times after a 15 drop activated dose (especially on an empty stomach), and I assume the released gas to be both chlorine and chlorine dioxide. Quite a bit more of the chlorine dioxide would be neutralized by combining to food. I agree that clinical measurements of blood level concentrations of chlorine dioxide at different dose levels and conditions would be extremely beneficial information.

As a healthy person (age 56), I used myself as a human guinea pig over a year ago taking 15+ drop doses 2-3 times a day for about a month, which did wear me down (oxidative stress). Then I cut back to 5-10 drops once a day for several months as maintenance. Now I occasionally have a five drop dose if I feel puny, and I take one probiotic capsule maybe every week or so. I eat healthy and exercise too.

I don't get sick, but I wouldn't hesitate to take MMS if I got ill. I have friends and relatives that have used MMS for successfully treating everything from colds to MRSA! However, I also now advise folks to use MMS only when you are sick, and only at maintenance dose levels unless you are really deathly ill.

I'm very glad to have MMS in my disease fighting arsenal, and I'm not afraid to use it even at high doses if I had to.

However, I would also very much like to see good science and case studies in the mean time.

First, you need to realize that Ascorbic Acid Is Not Vitamin C. Ascorbic Acid will keep the MMS from doing it's job, this appears to be correct. Any juice that has Ascorbic Acid should not be mixed with MMS.

However, if you are on Dr. Linus Pauling's protocol, and you are taking huge amounts of ascorbic acid, instead of actual Vitamin C, then you are not going to get the best results. In fact, you may even be increasing your risk of cancer by increasing the acidity of your body. The human body does not create it's own vitamin C, so it must be taken in from food. The idea that a person can consume Ascorbic Acid and their body magically transform that into Vitamin C is laughable. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components. A vitamin is "a working process consisting of the nutrient, enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace minerals activators." The best way to absorb Vitamin C, is to eat raw organic foods that are high in Vitamin C, period.

You can read more about it here:
Ascorbic Acid Is Not Vitamin C - Whole Food Vitamins vs Synthetic

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