If it were me I'd try the pantothenic acid. You can remove the toxins from the feet but you are not so directly addressing the cause of the build up of uric acid and it will likely come round again.
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I watched Doug Kaufmann on Know the Cause today and he was reading from a book written by Dr. Costantini, former head of the World Health Organization. He says that Gout is caused from fungus!!!
I was just recently diagnosed of having gout and I was told that it can be a sign of a kidney problem? I�m going to see my doctor on Monday but if you have any info, can you share that, please? Also, what do you take for the pain? Thanks.
start drinking pure cherry juice now, from what I have read, you should see an improvemnet by monday!!! I would go with the organic, no sugar or chemicals added cherry juice!
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sidesofdstory, before you go the pharmaceutical route, check the information on zyloprim, also know as allopurionl... https://health.yahoo.com/arthritis-me...a1-sideeffects Why would you want to use a pharmaceutical with all the side effects, when cherry juice will do the job just as good, if not better. Please keep searching this site, for info about gout, and also other alternative medicine sites!
I began using digestive enzymes daily with every meal (before or after, depending on the enzyme you choose). My life changed. No more gout. i also take celery seed extract in capsules, cherry juice estract in capsules or drink cherry juice (without sugar, organic best). I have heard about taking collodial silver as well. I went 2 years gout free. Of course, diet is vital..no spinach, no mushroms, etc.
Lately, I have been taking MMS. when i got to 15 drops, whether coincedence or not, i got gouty foot beginning. I stopped taking MMS and began my usual regime with the celery and cherry, etc. Now it is clearing after ONE day. So, i am not sure i will return to MMS. Anyone else with experience with gout and MMS, please write!
Am a vegetarian, with an excellent diet, but stress also can cause gout. That is the main thing. De stress...
Parvatidevi, since you are a vegetarian with gout, please check this page for foods that you need to cook. Avoid eating raw.
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Although research studies are limited in this area, cooking does appear to help inactivate the goitrogenic compounds found in food. Both isoflavones (found in soy foods) and isothiocyanates (found in cruciferous vegetables) appear to be heat-sensitive, and cooking appears to lower the availability of these substances. In the case of isothiocyanates in cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, as much as one third of this goitrogenic substance may be deactivated when broccoli is boiled in water.
I began using digestive enzymes daily with every meal (before or after, depending on the enzyme you choose). My life changed. No more gout. i also take celery seed extract in capsules, cherry juice estract in capsules or drink cherry juice (without sugar, organic best). I have heard about taking collodial silver as well. I went 2 years gout free. Of course, diet is vital..no spinach, no mushroms, etc.
Lately, I have been taking MMS. when i got to 15 drops, whether coincedence or not, i got gouty foot beginning. I stopped taking MMS and began my usual regime with the celery and cherry, etc. Now it is clearing after ONE day. So, i am not sure i will return to MMS. Anyone else with experience with gout and MMS, please write!
Am a vegetarian, with an excellent diet, but stress also can cause gout. That is the main thing. De stress...
Gout is caused by uric acid.
The body does not make uric acid.
Uric Acid is made by fungus.
Organic virgin coconut oil kills fungus, as does grapefruit seed extract, oil of oregano, colloidal silver, carrot powder, etc., all can be eaten by vegetarians.
Avoid grains, especially corn, because these are contaminated with fungal mycotoxins.
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I began using digestive enzymes daily with every meal (before or after, depending on the enzyme you choose). My life changed. No more gout. i also take celery seed extract in capsules, cherry juice estract in capsules or drink cherry juice (without sugar, organic best). I have heard about taking collodial silver as well. I went 2 years gout free. Of course, diet is vital..no spinach, no mushroms, etc.
Lately, I have been taking MMS. when i got to 15 drops, whether coincedence or not, i got gouty foot beginning. I stopped taking MMS and began my usual regime with the celery and cherry, etc. Now it is clearing after ONE day. So, i am not sure i will return to MMS. Anyone else with experience with gout and MMS, please write!
Am a vegetarian, with an excellent diet, but stress also can cause gout. That is the main thing. De stress...
Parvatidevi, this makes me wonder if you were having a healing crisis brought on my the MMS. Sometimes, in any disease really, the symptoms can get worse for hours to a couple of days as the body cleans house. If it were me I would have kept up for another day with the MMS and just kept up with the celery and cherry stuff...and go back and find my post about pantothenic acid supplements.
I have a friend who is suffering from gout. He takes a prescribed medication (don't know what - he is in Denmark) with little effect.
All I can remember about gout is that it's good to eat cherries. Does anyone remember anything more specific. What type of cherry? Does it matter?
how much.
What other natural gout treatments are there?
Thanks for any help.
Here are some Links that will provide you and your friend with useful specifics.
In the article at this first one read in particular the first two paragraphs and note what is said about the Atkins diet, and how the burning of stored body fat and the consumption of various foods affects uric acid levels and gout. Also note the discussion of pH level in the body and how to use food to adjust it, with an excellent list or grouping of specific foods with their respective acid or alkaline forming values. Although the article advertises some supplements, I know nothing about them and do not endorse them. They may or may not be useful; I provide the Link only for the information it provides.
In this second one note what it says about purines, nucleic acids (DNA & RNA), and cell nuclei, and the difference between milk/non-fermented milk products and fermented milk products, as well as the difference between egg whites and egg yolks. I recall that in the book, "Dr. Frank's No-Aging Diet" by Benjamin S. Frank, which stressed high RNA foods to slow down the aging process and reverse some of its effects (eliminate wrinkles and regrow and thicken hair), sardines contained some of the highest levels of RNA, and the smaller the sardines, the higher the levels. However, one of the possible adverse side effects was gout!
This Link tells you about the origin of the cherry/cherry juice remedies for gout. Also check the active Link, "gout and cherries", under the title, "What Do You Think About Cherry Juice Gout Cures" near the bottom of the page to see exactly what and how much two readers took which provided them with effective relief.
This Link at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Agricultural Research Service website provides a review of the study with 45 fresh Bing cherries daily to treat gout. Although the title reads, "Fresh Cherries May Help Arthritis Sufferers", the paragraph almost halfway down the page clearly states, "Our main focus in this study was gout, a very painful form of arthritis...".
This Link provides a "Best Answer" which addresses the specific amount of cherry juce, cherry juice concentrate, and/or the number of cherries to take daily which has proven effective for others in treating gout. Note that as in at least one of the other articles (see what one of the readers states about "at least 6 eight oz. glasses of water" under the Link "gout and cherries" mentioned above), it stresses that "lots of water" should also be consumed, presumably to help dilute and/or flush uric acid out of the system.
This final Link provides an excellent and perhaps the most useful easy to read at a glance list available of relative purine/uric acid levels of various foods in descending order from highest purine/uric acid content to lowest. However, note the cautionary comment from GoutPal about not taking such analysis too seriously near the bottom of the page.
This final Link provides an excellent and perhaps the most useful easy to read at a glance list available of relative purine/uric acid levels of various foods in descending order from highest purine/uric acid content to lowest. However, note the cautionary comment from GoutPal about not taking such analysis too seriously near the bottom of the page.
The cautionary note really needs a little expansion. Though high purine foods can cause a slight increase in blood uric acid, most purines come from the meat that we are all comprised of. That is why the risk of gout increases with increased weight. It also accounts for the problems with gout attacks during rapid weight loss or overexertion - uric acid rises as purines in our own body tissue breakdown to uric acid. However, weight is often not the issue. Genetic factors and kidney problems are extremely common causes of gout, as are medications for other conditions, especially diuretics.
It is often difficult to determine the exact cause of gout, though it is always the result of excess uric acid (which has absolutely nothing to do with fungus!). So, to manage gout, we have to manage uric acid.
There are several hotly contested issues about what works and what doesn't in the field of natural medicine. Unfortunately, most focus on pain relief at the expense of uric acid management. In the long term, if uric acid is not kept below 6mg/dL, then gout attacks will increase in frequency and intensity. Even on days where there is no pain, or maybe just a little tingling or numbness, if uric acid is much above 6, then uric acid crystals will continue to form and eat away at joints and tendons.
It is vital that whatever you do to lower uric acid, you take regular blood tests to monitor uric acid levels. This is just as important with natural medicine and diet changes as it is with conventional medicine. In fact it is probably more important, as it is clear that allopurinol will lower uric acid, whereas little evidence is available about natural cures.
There is emerging evidence that some compounds used in the traditional medicines of countries like China have a good uric acid lowering effect, but I must stress, at the risk of repeating myself, that whatever you rely on, you must make sure your uric acid level is kept below 6mg/dL.
Become obsessed about your uric acid numbers, not about what you eat. A healthy calorie-controlled diet, high in fruit and vegetables, but low in iron is the best for gout. You will only know if that is enough by checking your uric acid level.
The cautionary note really needs a little expansion. Though high purine foods can cause a slight increase in blood uric acid, most purines come from the meat that we are all comprised of. That is why the risk of gout increases with increased weight. It also accounts for the problems with gout attacks during rapid weight loss or overexertion - uric acid rises as purines in our own body tissue breakdown to uric acid. However, weight is often not the issue. Genetic factors and kidney problems are extremely common causes of gout, as are medications for other conditions, especially diuretics.
It is often difficult to determine the exact cause of gout, though it is always the result of excess uric acid (which has absolutely nothing to do with fungus!). So, to manage gout, we have to manage uric acid.
...I must stress, at the risk of repeating myself, that whatever you rely on, you must make sure your uric acid level is kept below 6mg/dL.
Become obsessed about your uric acid numbers, not about what you eat. A healthy calorie-controlled diet, high in fruit and vegetables, but low in iron is the best for gout. You will only know if that is enough by checking your uric acid level.
Caution. Obsession about anything can lead to needless anxiety which can adversely compound any health problem. Knowledge is the key to eliminate any temptation or tendency towards obsession.
For an excellent explanation of uric acid and its relationship to gout, click on the first Link in my above Post, which will take you to the article entitled, "Gout Foods - That Harm and Heal":
First, note what it says about the Atkins Diet contributing to increased uric acid levels and gout attacks, and in particular the dietary information starting with the second paragraph which reads in part:
"All of the foods below can be responsible for excessive uric acid production. Even though some do not contain purines, they can still cause the system to naturally produce uric acid. They are as follows:
... .
While under a Gout Attack all of the above foods should be completely avoided as well as the following.
Extremely Acid Forming Foods - within a pH of 5.0 to 5.5
... ."
Be sure to scroll down to finish the article.
Then for additional useful information written in user friendly language, note the various Links just under the title of the article, including GOUT STAGES which takes you to the article entitled, "Uric Acid - Gout Stages":
While some of the material is promotional for their product, Gout Care herbal blend, most of it is information which is useful regardless of whether or not one is using their product.
Also note the Link TESTIMONIALS which provides a number of informative personal accounts of battles with gout, including this interesting one by someone who suffered from gout attacks even though he/she had a "normal uric acid" level. It reads in part:
"I have been taking Gout Cure for a little more than a year. I was diagnosed with gout but have a normal uric acid. The doctor told me there was nothing he could do to help me since my uric acid was normal. I had excrutiating pain in the second toe on my right foot. I met a lady 20 years older than me who has it also. Her same toe is so large that she cannot wear shoes. My toe was growing. Since taking Gout Cure, my pain is normal. The growth has stopped, and the redness is gone. It only hurts now if I bump it. So I will take Gout Cure for the rest of my life. ... I am a registered nurse also. I have found natural cures for many of my personal ailments and this is one of them. ..."
Finally, please be advised that the above Links are provided for information purposes only and should in no way be ragarded as an endorsement of the company's product. I have no opinion about it one way or the other. For additional information about gout and gout remedies, see the rest of the provided Links in my previous Post on this thread.
The cautionary note really needs a little expansion. Though high purine foods can cause a slight increase in blood uric acid, most purines come from the meat that we are all comprised of. That is why the risk of gout increases with increased weight. It also accounts for the problems with gout attacks during rapid weight loss or overexertion - uric acid rises as purines in our own body tissue breakdown to uric acid. However, weight is often not the issue. Genetic factors and kidney problems are extremely common causes of gout, as are medications for other conditions, especially diuretics.
It is often difficult to determine the exact cause of gout, though it is always the result of excess uric acid (which has absolutely nothing to do with fungus!). So, to manage gout, we have to manage uric acid.
There are several hotly contested issues about what works and what doesn't in the field of natural medicine. Unfortunately, most focus on pain relief at the expense of uric acid management. In the long term, if uric acid is not kept below 6mg/dL, then gout attacks will increase in frequency and intensity. Even on days where there is no pain, or maybe just a little tingling or numbness, if uric acid is much above 6, then uric acid crystals will continue to form and eat away at joints and tendons.
It is vital that whatever you do to lower uric acid, you take regular blood tests to monitor uric acid levels. This is just as important with natural medicine and diet changes as it is with conventional medicine. In fact it is probably more important, as it is clear that allopurinol will lower uric acid, whereas little evidence is available about natural cures.
There is emerging evidence that some compounds used in the traditional medicines of countries like China have a good uric acid lowering effect, but I must stress, at the risk of repeating myself, that whatever you rely on, you must make sure your uric acid level is kept below 6mg/dL.
Become obsessed about your uric acid numbers, not about what you eat. A healthy calorie-controlled diet, high in fruit and vegetables, but low in iron is the best for gout. You will only know if that is enough by checking your uric acid level.
If gout is not related to fungus, then why do antifungals such as celery seed reverse gout?
The body does not make uric acid. Repeat.. the body does not make uric acid. Uric acid is a byproduct that is excreeted by fungus.
Meat isn't the problem, meat contaminated with fungus is. Animals are fed grain products, and these grains are contaminated with different fungi. When people eat these animals, these mycotoxins are also consumed.
Beach Man, you are right to caution against obsession, but the fact is that most gout sufferers, when they are not obsessed with getting rid of the pain, ARE obsessed with diet. Though there are often dietary factors involved, gout is a metabolic disease, often hereditary, and so I am simply saying that if you must become obsessed with something, ensure that it is the right thing - your uric acid levels.
Yes, you are absolutely right that knowledge is the key to avoiding obsession, but where is the knowledge in the first page that you mention?
They are correct that Atkins is absolutely the worst diet that a gout sufferer can undertake, but where is the explanation that brings knowledge?
They have a random list of foods that they claim raise uric acid with no authoritative references to back up the claim. How an earth can avoiding eggs, cauliflower, black tea, and pasta during a gout attack make any difference?
Then they move on to acidic versus alkaline forming foods. Apart from the correct claim that "one should strive for a 70% Alkaline to a 30% Acidic balance", the explanation of alkalizing through diet is one of the worst I have seen, with meaningless pH values for foods. It promotes the obsessions I see everyday in my gout forum - "is food x OK for gout", "will food y give me gout" etc, etc. Fortunately, there is an excellent resource for information about alkalizing foods - phbalance.wikispaces.com.
Remember though, avoid food obsession down this track. All you are trying to do is alkalize the urine, so get some pH strips. You are seeking a pH reading for urine of 7.5 more or less consistently. If you cannot achieve that, do not blame the occasional cup of tea, or bowl of pasta. Simply list all your foods and give them a PRAL or NEAP analysis - you'll soon find some easy-to-make adjustments, rather than worrying about the occasional harmless pleasure.
The next page you mention "Uric Acid - Gout Stages" is a reasonably good explanation of gout process. It is commendable for it's conclusion emphasizing the need to "maintain a normal level of uric acid in the blood". Unfortunately, it does not tell you what that level is. Nor does it make clear that if you fail to achieve that level, you will continue to slowly build uric acid crystals in the body. You might postpone the really crippling attacks for twenty years or so, but you will then be much less able to cope with them. If you are a gout sufferer, you must keep uric acid levels below 6mg/dL.
The Question and Answer page deserves an award in the Internet Myth and Half-Baked Truth awards, if ever such a thing should exist. There are so many unsubstantiated claims, I could go on forever, but "Allopurinol eventually can cause liver damage" stands out as the most ridiculous. The only good part of the page is that it lists the ingredients. I suggest that if the garlic and turmeric are applied to a daily vegetable curry, along with their daily water recommendation (or slightly more), then the results will be indistinguishable from GC.
Finally, we come to Testimonials, and the Gout Crime Of The Century - "normal" uric acid levels. Lab tests consider uric acid in the 2.4 – 8.2 mg/dL range to be "normal". The saturation point of uric acid at normal blood temperature is 6.8mg/dL. For anyone who has had gout, anything above 6 is a warning, and anything above 7 is danger level. The gap is simply statistics - the normal range is an average of the entire population, including those with gout. Anyone taking a blood test for uric acid MUST get the numbers. Values above 6 may not be proof that you have gout, but they are a strong indication that you will get it in future. If you have had gout, then simply keep that uric acid level number below 6.
Now a lot of this sounds like I'm having a go at GC. That isn't my intention, though I am irate at the pseudo-science approach to marketing. That product, and many similar ones, may well bring relief to gout sufferers. What concerns me is that by taking products which mask the symptoms, gout sufferers are failing to tackle (or even recognize) the elevated uric acid. Take them by all means, but do not avoid regular uric acid tests - and make sure you get the numbers.
So this makes me repost what my clinical nutrition teacher says:
With gout you could try pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid will break down uric acid in the blood. If you do this you need to add at least 400mg of magnesium, magnesuium citrate. and B6 at least 100mg. You must do this also.
You can use very high doses of pantothenic acid. Start with 500mg three times a day. Then in 5 days increase to 1000mg three times a day and after 5 days then retest the uric acid blood level. But if they have gout or goutly arthritis where they just feel generally achy you will know that the uric acid levels are coming down because they will feel better. But you have to take the magnesium and B 6 also.
On rare occasions you might have to go up to 2500mg three times a day then retest after 5 days. Pantothenic acid is not toxic and you can not overdose. On other rare occasions 3,000 mg three times a day.
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