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\nThey sell dark cherry extracts as supplements (for gout and other conditions). There are also dark cherry (juice) concentrates. Having these on hand is often more practical that simply eating them while in season. Bing cherries are sometimes mentioned by name.
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\nCelery seed extract is another natural option. Here\'s some information on that:
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\nhttps://www.doctormurray.com/articles...CelerySeed.pdf
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\nOther common suggestions involve drinking more healthy liquids (pure water, herbal teas, etc.) and losing excess weight. Increasing one\'s intake of vitamin C may be useful. Consuming healthy dairy products (preferably organic) may be useful in the long-term.
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\nhttps://altmedicine.about.com/od/gout/a/goutremedy.htm\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Of course! Thanks Harry. I had forgotten the celery seed extract.
\nThank you for your prompt response. It is already in an e-mail to
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\r\n \r\n Lugol\'s iodine used to be one of the first line of defense for gout. I believe that iodine prevents gout.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum\r\n

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\r\n \r\n The only problem I could forsee Harry with Dairy in relation to Gout, is that should any Saturates in Dairy, have their Nitrogen content converted to Uric Acid, as well as Nitrogen in the Protein content, that might not be too beneficial.
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\nIt might then be more prudent to switch to possibly something like Almonds for example instead, for the Unsaturates, and to replace the Dairy Calcium, and then try to acquire any lost Vit D from dairy, via other means, possibly supplemental.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n With gout you could try pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid will break down uric acid in the blood. If you do this you need to add at least 400mg of magnesium, magnesuium citrate. and B6 at least 100mg. You must do this also.
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\nYou can use very high doses of pantothenic acid. Start with 500mg three times a day. Then in 5 days increase to 1000mg three times a day and after 5 days then retest the uric acid blood level. But if they have gout or goutly arthritis where they just feel generally achy you will know that the uric acid levels are coming down because they will feel better. But you have to take the magnesium and B 6 also.
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\nOn rare occasions you might have to go up to 2500mg three times a day then retest after 5 days. Pantothenic acid is not toxic and you can not overdose. On other rare occasions 3,000 mg three times a day.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I don\'t know if this would work for everyone. I have an acquaintance (quite overweight) who had severe gout. After several foot bath detoxes, his gout was gone-' + '-still gone 6 months later.
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\r\n \r\n Are you in a position to acquire the ingredients or content of those Mari?
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\nI\'m not asking because I want to try them, but it might be good for people here to know more about that .\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I think this is the unit he used:
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\r\nhttps://www.biocleanse.info/use.html
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\r\nHe used it only once, last October, and his gout has not returned. I know that there are different units available. Check with a massage therapist or alternative practitioner.
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\r\n \r\n I have seen similar baths really help people also. One woman who was extremely toxic and no doctor could figure her out, got much better after a series of baths. The water in the bath was dark and yucky brown at first, and much clearer when she was done after a number or treatments.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I think I remember hearing about that Bio-cleanse before, or something very similar
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\nI would be concerned though as it says if you\'ve had Transplants, Pacemakers, Pregnant people or people on Meds.
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\nI remember seeing a programme I seem to recall about this, or something similar and it seemed to be a con of some kind, not saying it is this exact product, but something that somehow makes water turn brown is suspicious, especially as proving what colour water would turn when toxic might be difficult.
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\nWater might go just go grey, or a funny shade of yellow, a pale purple, so for it to go brown, seems a bit hit and miss.
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\nHere is a link detailing why it\'s supposedly a scam.
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\r\n \r\n This acquaintance who had the gout is very pro-conventional medicine—he has NO interest in anything alternative. He had to be persuaded by a friend to just give it a try, so it wasn’t as though he came with any expectations that he would be helped.
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\r\nI think the water will change color even if no one has their feet is it, so you can\'t go by the color of the water.
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\r\n \r\n That then begs a question though. If the product is being touted in any way, as something that makes water change colour with a reaction to toxins, but the Water could change colour without human toxin interaction, how can anyone know if they use it on themselves, if the discoloured water would have any toxins in it at all, if the process could occur without human interaction?
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\nYou need a definite, this can only happen one way scenario, to remove all doubt.
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\nIt\'s like saying you can\'t prove a key factor of a process, works only in one situation, when that factor can happen in other ways.
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\nThat creates variables that may invalidate the intended outcome being espoused.
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\nA bit like trying to prove crappy Fat Burners work, when you eat better and exercise as well. Same sort of analogy I think, though a different tangent, for probably a different time.
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\nI totally respect what you\'re posting Mari, but there\'s a bit of a whiff coming off this whole bio-cleanse thing for me, and I just think it\'s potentially a wolf in sheeps clothing scenario.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Guess you need to talk to the people who had success with it. After my friend got so much better after using the soaks I went to where she was getting it done and had a session. The water didn\'t change color for me one iota. The attendant said that they rarely get people in who\'s water doesn\'t change color.
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\r\nThen I tried a different system that anther friend has and no change for me there either.
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\r\n \r\n If it were me I\'d try the pantothenic acid. You can remove the toxins from the feet but you are not so directly addressing the cause of the build up of uric acid and it will likely come round again. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n I watched Doug Kaufmann on Know the Cause today and he was reading from a book written by Dr. Costantini, former head of the World Health Organization. He says that Gout is caused from fungus!!!
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\r\n \r\n I was just recently diagnosed of having gout and I was told that it can be a sign of a kidney problem? I�m going to see my doctor on Monday but if you have any info, can you share that, please? Also, what do you take for the pain? Thanks.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n start drinking pure cherry juice now, from what I have read, you should see an improvemnet by monday!!! I would go with the organic, no sugar or chemicals added cherry juice!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n sidesofdstory, before you go the pharmaceutical route, check the information on zyloprim, also know as allopurionl... https://health.yahoo.com/arthritis-me...a1-sideeffects Why would you want to use a pharmaceutical with all the side effects, when cherry juice will do the job just as good, if not better. Please keep searching this site, for info about gout, and also other alternative medicine sites!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I began using digestive enzymes daily with every meal (before or after, depending on the enzyme you choose). My life changed. No more gout. i also take celery seed extract in capsules, cherry juice estract in capsules or drink cherry juice (without sugar, organic best). I have heard about taking collodial silver as well. I went 2 years gout free. Of course, diet is vital..no spinach, no mushroms, etc.
\nLately, I have been taking MMS. when i got to 15 drops, whether coincedence or not, i got gouty foot beginning. I stopped taking MMS and began my usual regime with the celery and cherry, etc. Now it is clearing after ONE day. So, i am not sure i will return to MMS. Anyone else with experience with gout and MMS, please write!
\nAm a vegetarian, with an excellent diet, but stress also can cause gout. That is the main thing. De stress...\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Parvatidevi, since you are a vegetarian with gout, please check this page for foods that you need to cook. Avoid eating raw.
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\r\n \r\n Gout is caused by uric acid.
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\r\nThe body does not make uric acid.
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\r\nUric Acid is made by fungus.
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\r\nOrganic virgin coconut oil kills fungus, as does grapefruit seed extract, oil of oregano, colloidal silver, carrot powder, etc., all can be eaten by vegetarians.
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\r\nAvoid grains, especially corn, because these are contaminated with fungal mycotoxins.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Parvatidevi, this makes me wonder if you were having a healing crisis brought on my the MMS. Sometimes, in any disease really, the symptoms can get worse for hours to a couple of days as the body cleans house. If it were me I would have kept up for another day with the MMS and just kept up with the celery and cherry stuff...and go back and find my post about pantothenic acid supplements.
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\r\n \r\n Here are some Links that will provide you and your friend with useful specifics.
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\nIn the article at this first one read in particular the first two paragraphs and note what is said about the Atkins diet, and how the burning of stored body fat and the consumption of various foods affects uric acid levels and gout. Also note the discussion of pH level in the body and how to use food to adjust it, with an excellent list or grouping of specific foods with their respective acid or alkaline forming values. Although the article advertises some supplements, I know nothing about them and do not endorse them. They may or may not be useful; I provide the Link only for the information it provides.
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\nhttps://www.goutcure.com/goutcausfood.html
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\nIn this second one note what it says about purines, nucleic acids (DNA & RNA), and cell nuclei, and the difference between milk/non-fermented milk products and fermented milk products, as well as the difference between egg whites and egg yolks. I recall that in the book, "Dr. Frank\'s No-Aging Diet" by Benjamin S. Frank, which stressed high RNA foods to slow down the aging process and reverse some of its effects (eliminate wrinkles and regrow and thicken hair), sardines contained some of the highest levels of RNA, and the smaller the sardines, the higher the levels. However, one of the possible adverse side effects was gout!
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\nhttps://www.gout-treatment.net/avoidi...production.php
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\nThis Link tells you about the origin of the cherry/cherry juice remedies for gout. Also check the active Link, "gout and cherries", under the title, "What Do You Think About Cherry Juice Gout Cures" near the bottom of the page to see exactly what and how much two readers took which provided them with effective relief.
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\nhttps://goutpal.com/cherry-juice-gout.html
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\nThis Link at the U.S. Department of Agriculture\'s Agricultural Research Service website provides a review of the study with 45 fresh Bing cherries daily to treat gout. Although the title reads, "Fresh Cherries May Help Arthritis Sufferers", the paragraph almost halfway down the page clearly states, "Our main focus in this study was gout, a very painful form of arthritis...".
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\nhttps://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archiv...cherry0504.htm
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\nThis Link provides a "Best Answer" which addresses the specific amount of cherry juce, cherry juice concentrate, and/or the number of cherries to take daily which has proven effective for others in treating gout. Note that as in at least one of the other articles (see what one of the readers states about "at least 6 eight oz. glasses of water" under the Link "gout and cherries" mentioned above), it stresses that "lots of water" should also be consumed, presumably to help dilute and/or flush uric acid out of the system.
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\nhttps://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006031606861
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\nThis final Link provides an excellent and perhaps the most useful easy to read at a glance list available of relative purine/uric acid levels of various foods in descending order from highest purine/uric acid content to lowest. However, note the cautionary comment from GoutPal about not taking such analysis too seriously near the bottom of the page.
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\nhttps://goutpal.com/foods-high-in-uric-acid.html\r\n

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\r\n \r\n The cautionary note really needs a little expansion. Though high purine foods can cause a slight increase in blood uric acid, most purines come from the meat that we are all comprised of. That is why the risk of gout increases with increased weight. It also accounts for the problems with gout attacks during rapid weight loss or overexertion - uric acid rises as purines in our own body tissue breakdown to uric acid. However, weight is often not the issue. Genetic factors and kidney problems are extremely common causes of gout, as are medications for other conditions, especially diuretics.
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\nIt is often difficult to determine the exact cause of gout, though it is always the result of excess uric acid (which has absolutely nothing to do with fungus!). So, to manage gout, we have to manage uric acid.
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\nThere are several hotly contested issues about what works and what doesn\'t in the field of natural medicine. Unfortunately, most focus on pain relief at the expense of uric acid management. In the long term, if uric acid is not kept below 6mg/dL, then gout attacks will increase in frequency and intensity. Even on days where there is no pain, or maybe just a little tingling or numbness, if uric acid is much above 6, then uric acid crystals will continue to form and eat away at joints and tendons.
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\nIt is vital that whatever you do to lower uric acid, you take regular blood tests to monitor uric acid levels. This is just as important with natural medicine and diet changes as it is with conventional medicine. In fact it is probably more important, as it is clear that allopurinol will lower uric acid, whereas little evidence is available about natural cures.
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\nThere is emerging evidence that some compounds used in the traditional medicines of countries like China have a good uric acid lowering effect, but I must stress, at the risk of repeating myself, that whatever you rely on, you must make sure your uric acid level is kept below 6mg/dL.
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\nBecome obsessed about your uric acid numbers, not about what you eat. A healthy calorie-controlled diet, high in fruit and vegetables, but low in iron is the best for gout. You will only know if that is enough by checking your uric acid level.\r\n

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\nFor an excellent explanation of uric acid and its relationship to gout, click on the first Link in my above Post, which will take you to the article entitled, "Gout Foods - That Harm and Heal":
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\nhttps://www.goutcure.com/goutcausfood.html
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\nFirst, note what it says about the Atkins Diet contributing to increased uric acid levels and gout attacks, and in particular the dietary information starting with the second paragraph which reads in part:
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\n"All of the foods below can be responsible for excessive uric acid production. Even though some do not contain purines, they can still cause the system to naturally produce uric acid. They are as follows:
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\nWhile under a Gout Attack all of the above foods should be completely avoided as well as the following.
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\nExtremely Acid Forming Foods - within a pH of 5.0 to 5.5
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\nBe sure to scroll down to finish the article.
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\nThen for additional useful information written in user friendly language, note the various Links just under the title of the article, including GOUT STAGES which takes you to the article entitled, "Uric Acid - Gout Stages":
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\nhttps://www.goutcure.com/goutstages.html
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\nAgain, scroll down to finish the article.
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\nThen click on QUESTIONS & ANSWERS which takes you to "Frequently Asked Questions":
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\nhttps://www.goutcure.com/qand.html
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\nWhile some of the material is promotional for their product, Gout Care herbal blend, most of it is information which is useful regardless of whether or not one is using their product.
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\nAlso note the Link TESTIMONIALS which provides a number of informative personal accounts of battles with gout, including this interesting one by someone who suffered from gout attacks even though he/she had a "normal uric acid" level. It reads in part:
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\n"I have been taking Gout Cure for a little more than a year. I was diagnosed with gout but have a normal uric acid. The doctor told me there was nothing he could do to help me since my uric acid was normal. I had excrutiating pain in the second toe on my right foot. I met a lady 20 years older than me who has it also. Her same toe is so large that she cannot wear shoes. My toe was growing. Since taking Gout Cure, my pain is normal. The growth has stopped, and the redness is gone. It only hurts now if I bump it. So I will take Gout Cure for the rest of my life. ... I am a registered nurse also. I have found natural cures for many of my personal ailments and this is one of them. ..."
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\nhttps://www.goutcure.com/testimonials.html
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\nFinally, please be advised that the above Links are provided for information purposes only and should in no way be ragarded as an endorsement of the company\'s product. I have no opinion about it one way or the other. For additional information about gout and gout remedies, see the rest of the provided Links in my previous Post on this thread.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n If gout is not related to fungus, then why do antifungals such as celery seed reverse gout?
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\r\nThe body does not make uric acid. Repeat.. the body does not make uric acid. Uric acid is a byproduct that is excreeted by fungus.
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\r\n \r\n Beach Man, you are right to caution against obsession, but the fact is that most gout sufferers, when they are not obsessed with getting rid of the pain, ARE obsessed with diet. Though there are often dietary factors involved, gout is a metabolic disease, often hereditary, and so I am simply saying that if you must become obsessed with something, ensure that it is the right thing - your uric acid levels.
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\nYes, you are absolutely right that knowledge is the key to avoiding obsession, but where is the knowledge in the first page that you mention?
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\nThey are correct that Atkins is absolutely the worst diet that a gout sufferer can undertake, but where is the explanation that brings knowledge?
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\nThey have a random list of foods that they claim raise uric acid with no authoritative references to back up the claim. How an earth can avoiding eggs, cauliflower, black tea, and pasta during a gout attack make any difference?
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\nThen they move on to acidic versus alkaline forming foods. Apart from the correct claim that "one should strive for a 70% Alkaline to a 30% Acidic balance", the explanation of alkalizing through diet is one of the worst I have seen, with meaningless pH values for foods. It promotes the obsessions I see everyday in my gout forum - "is food x OK for gout", "will food y give me gout" etc, etc. Fortunately, there is an excellent resource for information about alkalizing foods - phbalance.wikispaces.com.
\nRemember though, avoid food obsession down this track. All you are trying to do is alkalize the urine, so get some pH strips. You are seeking a pH reading for urine of 7.5 more or less consistently. If you cannot achieve that, do not blame the occasional cup of tea, or bowl of pasta. Simply list all your foods and give them a PRAL or NEAP analysis - you\'ll soon find some easy-to-make adjustments, rather than worrying about the occasional harmless pleasure.
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\nThe next page you mention "Uric Acid - Gout Stages" is a reasonably good explanation of gout process. It is commendable for it\'s conclusion emphasizing the need to "maintain a normal level of uric acid in the blood". Unfortunately, it does not tell you what that level is. Nor does it make clear that if you fail to achieve that level, you will continue to slowly build uric acid crystals in the body. You might postpone the really crippling attacks for twenty years or so, but you will then be much less able to cope with them. If you are a gout sufferer, you must keep uric acid levels below 6mg/dL.
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\nThe Question and Answer page deserves an award in the Internet Myth and Half-Baked Truth awards, if ever such a thing should exist. There are so many unsubstantiated claims, I could go on forever, but "Allopurinol eventually can cause liver damage" stands out as the most ridiculous. The only good part of the page is that it lists the ingredients. I suggest that if the garlic and turmeric are applied to a daily vegetable curry, along with their daily water recommendation (or slightly more), then the results will be indistinguishable from GC.
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\nFinally, we come to Testimonials, and the Gout Crime Of The Century - "normal" uric acid levels. Lab tests consider uric acid in the 2.4 – 8.2 mg/dL range to be "normal". The saturation point of uric acid at normal blood temperature is 6.8mg/dL. For anyone who has had gout, anything above 6 is a warning, and anything above 7 is danger level. The gap is simply statistics - the normal range is an average of the entire population, including those with gout. Anyone taking a blood test for uric acid MUST get the numbers. Values above 6 may not be proof that you have gout, but they are a strong indication that you will get it in future. If you have had gout, then simply keep that uric acid level number below 6.
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\nNow a lot of this sounds like I\'m having a go at GC. That isn\'t my intention, though I am irate at the pseudo-science approach to marketing. That product, and many similar ones, may well bring relief to gout sufferers. What concerns me is that by taking products which mask the symptoms, gout sufferers are failing to tackle (or even recognize) the elevated uric acid. Take them by all means, but do not avoid regular uric acid tests - and make sure you get the numbers.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n So this makes me repost what my clinical nutrition teacher says:
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\r\nWith gout you could try pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid will break down uric acid in the blood. If you do this you need to add at least 400mg of magnesium, magnesuium citrate. and B6 at least 100mg. You must do this also.
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\r\nYou can use very high doses of pantothenic acid. Start with 500mg three times a day. Then in 5 days increase to 1000mg three times a day and after 5 days then retest the uric acid blood level. But if they have gout or goutly arthritis where they just feel generally achy you will know that the uric acid levels are coming down because they will feel better. But you have to take the magnesium and B 6 also.
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\r\nOn rare occasions you might have to go up to 2500mg three times a day then retest after 5 days. Pantothenic acid is not toxic and you can not overdose. On other rare occasions 3,000 mg three times a day.
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\r\n \r\n I had some really bad gout attacks that got progressively worse until last year. My uric acid levels were 5.2 which the doctor thought was low. She mentioned above 6 as high for gout sufferers. She prescribed allopurinol. The pills made me light-headed and i had to discontinue using them. I also reasoned that my uric acid levels were low and i didn\'t need a drug to lower them further so i stopped taking the drug. Instead, i reduced my stress and intake of meats and make sure to drink lots of water and eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables. Seems to be working.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hi Ed4life, welcome to the forum! It\'s good to hear that your natural approach is working for you, thanks for sharing. Here\'s an older article from EnergyTimes on Gout that may benefit those with this condition.
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\nhttps://www.energytimes.com/pages/fea...0309/gout.html\r\n

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