jfh, even whey makes you sluggish? Is quite easy to digest for most people.

A friend of mine on another forum wrote up this post and said I could bring it over here.

The natural ingredients in Protandim were specifically chosen based upon their ability to cause the body to produce and up-regulate its natural network of antioxidant enzymes, including SOD and CAT. Protandim has been formulated using high quality, potent herbal extracts processed under proprietary technologies. It therefore provides powerful antioxidant protection against oxidative stress.

The following is a list of Protandim ingredients:
Proprietary Blend 675 mg:

• Milk thistle extract (Silybum marianum) (seed)
• Bacopa extract (Bacopa monnieri) (aerial part)
• Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) (root)
• Green tea extract (Camellia sinensis) (leaf)
• Turmeric extract (Curcuma longa) (rhizome)

30 pills $50.00

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Mix Your Own
Silymarin 50 grams, #8475 $9.90
Bacopa 50 grams. #408.0 $6.50
Ashwagandha 50grams, #8335 $8.75
Green Tea 95% Extract 50 grams, #8298 $5.95
Curcumin 95% 50 grams, #8550 $17.50
Bioperine 1 gram, #8660 $2.50

I doubt the dosage is critical. I would mix all the ingredients and stir well. Beyond-a-Century provides a small spoon/scoop. B-a-C tells how much of a scoop = so many mg.

Each of B-a-C's bottles specifies a suggested dose.
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I think I would rather buy the vendor's product first and at least once. Bacopa would be the one herb that I've never used. The formula seems impressive.

Some of the weirdest things make me constipated as well as affecting my sinuses due to the sluggish digestion. Banana, pineapple (including bromelain), egg whites, red kidney beans, milk, etc. I know that food allergies don't necessarily last a long time and new ones come aboard. I think things will change if I can get Leaky Gut under control. Food becomes an allergen due to that. Glutathione is one of the biggest remedies.

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Are you mixing up whey or glutathione? I understand glutathione is destroyed by standard digestion, maybe the lipo type would be better...they say it is, what do you think?

The 30 tablets are 1 month supply, how long would the "mix your own" last? And do you think it would be as good?

I would not mix the biopeperine. Just by the pills. they are cheap. Most pills are under a gram and in this case protandim is 675mg..

So if you by all that stuff you will have 250 grams of stuff so It would last 8 months at least.

Whey gives the ingredients for your body to easily make its own glutathione

What about taking SOD?

It should not be necessary with this supplement.

Nah I meant taking SOD instead of Protandim in order to raise SOD levels in the body.

Well the man who discoverd SOD is saying that Protandim almost the only supplement you need for keeping your cells clear of free radicals. Read the material.

They can make alot of things look good on the surface...there is some saying this is a scam? And it appears to be a MLM, I have not done any research myself, hoping the good folks here already have and can share some.

From https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...wiki/Protandim

The formulator of Protandim is Joe McCord, a pioneer in the fields of antioxidants and free radical biology. In 1969, he and his mentor, Irwin Fridovich, co-discovered the enzyme Superoxide dismutase (SOD). These discoveries are what led McCord to the formulation of Protandim.

Protandim's self-described approach is different than that of traditional antioxidants. Unlike conventional antioxidants that are intended to attack free radicals directly, Protandim attacks free radicals and other oxidants indirectly by boosting the body's production of a network of antioxidant enzymes, including Superoxide dismutase (SOD), Catalase, and Glutathione. The effects of over-expression of genes coding for catalase and SOD in mice and flies are unclear, with some studies suggesting increased lifespan, but others seeing no effect. Indeed, in the worm Caenorhabditis elegans the opposite may even be true, as the deletion of SOD genes have been reported to increase lifespan. A 2009 review concluded that "almost all alterations in the antioxidant system of mice have no effect on lifespan".

Go to the link for numerous references and patents.

Thanks jhf for that.

There comes a time where you just have to look at the story as fully as you can and put your skepticism aside. There has been a ton of researh on all the components of these products already that prove them to be superior herbal medicines. Just take a look at the research at the MD Anderson Cancer center on Curcumin and green tea alone. It is astounding. All this is a aside from what Dr. McCord has done... the syngergistic of combining herbs is nothing new and well documented in Chinese medicine and he makes a vaild hypothesis backed by studies

I am not fully adverse tp MLMs. Often they are the best way for a new product to get introducted to the public. This doctor has done his homework and does deserve some monetary reward and he will glean it from those who can afford this product. Since the product is fully patented I do not see another easy way to start distribution. Word of mouth has always been the best distributor of a good alternative health product and when you consider that hundreds if not thousands of products come onto the market every year the competition is stiff and they have no funding like mega pharmaceutical companies to put adds in magazines and on TV

The studies look good to me. As time goes by I will be mixing some of my own up.

People like us will find ways to make it available for those with lessor paychecks.

I see nothing that indicates that this is an MLM. It is not widely distributed.

The problem with trying to distribute it yourself Arrow, is that it contains 3 patents. That means that you would have to significantly change it either in the ingredients or the balance of milligrams of each of those in the formula. I believe at some point the price will come down. It is kind of like waiting until the general public pays for the technology of a product.

Thanks for the replys!!

I bought some and have already been contacted by the seller who
offered me a "deal" to sign up under him as a distributor so I figured
it was a MLM, as stated above they are not always bad but tend to
have alot of profit built in for each level which I don't like paying for,
but so be it if the product really does what they say it does.

I never suggested that some one make it up for distribution as I said and know it does have 3 patents. But there is absolutley nothing to stop you from making for yourself.

All these ingredients have been tested individually for exceptional results. It is suggested that it is the synergestic effect of taking them together that takes it to the next level..

Either way you cannot loose. These are excellent herbs to take.