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neutrophil respiratory burst.


bifrost, can you explain what this is?

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Penicillin was too good to be true when it came out. So were sulfonamides, and other antibiotics


Yes, they were too good to be true. Although antibiotcs have prolonged life not without serious consequences for many. Many suffer irreparable candida damage from antibiotics and that is only one aspect of the damage they cause. Think MRSA. We are now seeing the MRSA plague starting to rise. 30 percent of people in Marin county in California carry MRSA.. Because of this some will be responsibe for the death or loss of limb of their own children through contagin.

Most infection in the medical world can be successfully treated with protocols different than antibiotics without causing life threatening or dibilitating consequences.

I'll be in Denver next month to give a lecture on MMS. Anyone want to come? PM me.

You didnt find it there, you posted it!!!! Come on Donna give it up.... Cant call it a hoax, unless you can site people who have used it and it failed them.... Instead of just bashing, answer the questions that have been put before you.... Explain why this would not work.. Other well educated people have posted that they do not see why it wont work....Bifrost, found sources where it has been used successfully in animals for quite a few years now... If it will work in animals, why not humans...
I agree with you, there are alot of fake alternatives, but instead of just using a blanket of words condemming something you dont know about... Research it, and explain to us why it wont work... Looks to me like we have alot of guinea pigs, who are willing to record their findings both good and bad.... Isnt that the way it should be done, instead of just believing everything that comes around the turnpike... I have passed the first book onto two doctors, and will pass it onto another naturopathic doctor this week... Depending on what they tell me, I will be buying quite alot of this...to determine if it can heal cancer, and believe me, I will be posting all the info I can... I have a very close friend that has been given a year to live... They say there is no cure, so no sense in trying.... Hopefully we will try this. Better to try, then to just stand around declaring it wont work!!!

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Bravo! Could not have expressed it better.


And perhaps you should have just left it there!
We are all aware that Malaria is rampant in Africa. Many of us are also aware that with the �controlled� use of DDT malaria could be drastically reduced, as it was in the past. Therefore you might want to speculate on why the great �humanitarian� UN has banned something that has been proven to work.

I note that you are new here. Thus you will notice that there are some subtle differences between healthiertalk.com and here. Discussions here are carried on in a civil manner. You are free to except or reject whatever you wish. If you have something that is relevant to a topic we want to hear it.

However if your goal is to just jump up and down and scream and shout and call names then all you are doing is proving to everyone that you do not have the intelligence to carry on a meaningful discussion and have nothing of value to say.

The neutrophil is one of the types of white blood cell that mammals have. It is the first in the "scene of the action" (pathogens entering the organism). It has several mechanisms of destroying pathogens or other harmful material, and the most powerful is what is called the respiratory burst. I just found out that "Respiratory burst is the rapid release of reactive oxygen species (superoxide radical and hydrogen peroxide) from different types of cells." Before this, I wondered why the mechanism was called "respiratory burst."

When the neutrophil engulfs a pathogen or foreign material that it has to destroy, it's oxygen uptake increases dramatically and it produces hydrogen peroxide (requiring NADPH) which releases its singlet oxygen readily. The free oxygen radical can kill/react by itself, but it also binds with chlorine in the tissues to form hypochlorite (hypochlorous acid).

(Just to distinguish, the macrophage/monocyte has its own respiratory burst which involves production of nitric oxide from arginine, producing free radicals of which peroxynitrite is the most reactive.)

I think such "damage" (is it really irreparable?) is from wrong use of antibiotics. It is known that antibiotics disrupt the microbial flora balance, and no one bothers to restore the "good" microbes. (Instead, they go after Candida with more antimicrobials. ) Restoration with lactobacilli products would go a long way in preventing this unwanted effect of antibiotics. I think I also read somewhere that it can be a cure for Candida as well.

I have my doubts about MRSA. I know it exists and it is a problem, but I suspect it's "promotion" is a scare tactic, probably to sell "newer" antibiotics, but simultaneously diverting attention from earlier, cheaper (not much profit!) antimicrobials which might be effective. M(ethicillin) is of the penicillin family, but other families of antimicrobials act by different mechanisms on SA (Staphylococcus aureus). I still don't know, but have other families been tried against MRSA, such as trimethoprim-sulfa combinations, clavulanic acid and amoxicillin combination, lincomycin, erythromycin, or even the banned chloramphenicol?

Of course, for wounds with MRSA, hypochlorite can again be called upon (Dakin's solution is one preparation, which is basically a 1:10 hypochlorite:water solution), and I don't think even MRSA will be resistant to hypochlorite, just as MRSA is still killed by alcohol. MMS could thus be in the same category for use against MRSA.

So has hypochlorite been tested against MRSA? This is a reason why I think MRSA is just a "scare tactic." Until we see MRSA tested and found resistant to all possible agents, I don't think we should really be scared of it. But again, that's just my point of view. And we know about hypochlorite and MMS. :wink:

Gerry

The free oxygen radical can kill/react by itself, but it also binds with chlorine in the tissues to form hypochlorite (hypochlorous acid).

So this is the main gist of it all. Jim Humble has talked about this.

Gerry, I have been doing a lot of research on MRSA. In Marin county California about 1 in 3 people are now carriers. Here in my rocky mountain state, in the hospital that I worked in many patients had it. I saw a ton of it. Many died, many lost limb and many do survive, but in my mind that does not make up for those who die. Rest assured, this is NOT hype. There is now a new form that comes from the community and does not necessarily generate in the hospital called community acquired MRSA. It is more difficult to treat and cure. Seems the bug took a mutational turn for the worst. Kids are getting it in gym locker rooms (perffectly healthy kids), adults at the local gym. They have had an epidemic of it in the homeless in San Diego. I myself have come across 3 cases of community acquired just in people I meet off the job. I do not think it is hype to sell more antibiotics. The fact is that some of it antibiotics can not touch at all. The pharmacies are struggling to create new drugs to cure these strains, and of course they will charge an arm and a leg for them, which is what you will loose anyway if you don't try them. Fortunately there are alternatives that do work. like ozone and special preparations of garlic and biophage therapy (biophage is only available at only one wound care center in Lubbock Texas) If it hasn't hit your fair country yet, well, all I can say is just wait. The continued use of antibiotics will bring it, if not through contagin by international travel. MRSA is a drug induced nightmare. They now have a strain in England if you get it you are dead, and dead really fast. MRSA was first noted in England in 1961.

My reasearch indicates that asside from over use of antibiotics the main reason for the increase in MRSA cases the indifferenc by the CDC in regulating hospital hygene and not mandating adequate infection controll measures in cleanliness. All patients now coming into hospital need a nasal swab to determine if they are carriers and they must submit to nasal topical treatment while in hospital. Would you want to share a room or unit with a guy who is a MRSA carrier who is walking around with dirty nose and hands after your triple by pass or appendectomy? or plastic surgery? or knee replacement? This is what is happening to date.

I agree that much of candida is curable. But the medical community by and large is still in denial of the severity of it. They do not offer any treatment except for vagianal cases and topical issues. They do not educate on flora replacement. It is far more serious than that for some people. It is incurable if a patient is not offered an avenue of treatment, at least incurable for that person, and there are a zillion of them out there. The other result of over use of antibiotics is c-diff, which I have read is killing more people than MRSA. I haven't had time to look into that one yet, but I did see it pretty frequenly in my work. Worse than MRSA c-diff is envolves a spore rather than a bacteria. It is much harder to kill.

The last issue on candida that I see is that antibiotic use mutates the candida and makes it hard to control and cure. You don't have regular candida anymore in some cases. I know that has been the case with me. Over the counter meds for vaginal candida never worked except in my first couple of cases. After that I needed prescription and then it would still tend to come back. Homeopathy has help signficantly with this. As well as ozone.

This mutated type will latch onto the walls of the gut and invade causing the gut to be more permeable allowing for toxins to go through that are not generally allowed access through the membrane. This leads to allergy of all kinds.
Leaky gut it is called. Ozone therapy and H202 therapy has known to significanlty help. But if you don't get all of it it comes back over time. MMS, due to its cost and ease of use may be the answer. Time will tell.

From all of my readings on the chemistry of this MMS product, and I have done quite a bit now, I do have to agree with what Jim Humble states below. www.tinyurl.com/yp4a9g I will continue to use MMS. It seems to be the most cost effective oxidative therapy available and its action seems akin to ozone therapy.


The Truth of MMS - Jim Humble

Chlorine dioxide only lasts 2 hours and then deteriorates into sodium chloride (table salt) and discharges oxygen that becomes a part of the body. (I think what he might be saying here is the O1 gets involved in chemical reactions to oxidize toxins - Barb)

It kills only anaerobic bacteria and microorganisms (these are oxygen vampires). In the quantities recommended it cannot do anything else in the body.

That is the scientific chemistry of it, however, if during the two hours it is active, it kills too many bacteria, the poison from the dead bacteria can cause nausea. But remember, it's nausea from dead bacteria, not freshly added toxins.

In our updated version of Breakthrough: The Miracle Mineral of the 21st Century, Dr. Hesselink tells of several thousand tests conducted in scientific laboratories over the past 20 years using oxides of chlorine (chlorine dioxide in essence). Most used my exact formula.

About 5 years ago, I had a number of discussions with the FDA concerning the MMS. At that time I covered all of the details. They were interested, but since I was taking it to Africa at that time they explained to me that they did not have any jurisdiction and/or interest in minerals going to Africa. They, however, felt that it was a good item and gave me encouragement.

There is no such thing as a non-existent threshold for toxicity. You can get too much of anything. The FDA sets a maximum limit for chlorine dioxide used in foods. That's what we use, and therefore, we remain below the toxicity limit. It just so happens that at the levels we recommend, the chlorine dioxide still retains its antiviral/antibacterial qualities.

The FDA limits for human consumption of chlorine dioxide is between 1 and 2 ppm (parts per million) in some cases, and as high as 50 ppm in other cases having to do with food. We have shown remarkable results using their 1 and 2 ppm limits.

Anyone can find a certain amount of data on the Internet about chlorine dioxide, but the medical use is not really immediate. You really have to dig for that data. We have over 160 references listed in my book and Dr. Hesselink has at least several hundred more papers. I'm talking about actual scientific tests and some of the papers cover years of tests.

For those who don't already know it, the MMS breakthrough has already been made. More than 75,000 people have overcome malaria with the protocol. Thousands have overcome other diseases in the US, Mexico, Australia, Zealand, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Sierra Leone, and quite a few other countries. Thousands in each of these countries listed. The number is growing daily.

Jim Humble
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Many reports state that sodium chlorite is less toxic than chlorine. This is why some municipalities choose sodium chlorite.

Just a thought. I have a friend who is 75. She was a competitive swimmer for many years and continued swimming into her elder years. She said the chlorine pool water use to get to her eyes and skin some. She was in it every day, yet here she is. I wonder how much chlorine she would absorb in a day. And so the chemists say sodium chlorite is safer for water purification becasue it creates no toxic by products.... well, I don't know if this has anything to to do with anything.

People don't often realize just how absorbant the skin is. We use the skin as a drug delivery access all the time in hospital and hospice for critical care drug absorption in hypertension, angina, and other pain relief, just to mention a couple.

Arrowwind wrote:

This was a little inside joke. Not really happening. Just thought I would make that clear. I am hardly well versed enough on this topic to do a lecture. I do just think it is worth looking into as I have been doing and making that information as I find it available to people so they can make their own decisions. I do appreciate all info sent my way that anyone may find, good, bad or indifferent.

re community acquired MRSA -
Until now doctors have been able to treat C-MRSA with antibiotics such as clindamycin and tetracycline, which no longer work on hospital superbugs. However it seems the community superbugs are now becoming resistant even to these drugs. Robert Skov, the head of the Danish National Centre for Antimicrobials and Infection Control in Copenhagen, said: "Once these community strains get into hospitals I would be surprised if they don't pick up more resistance determinants. "Every case of MRSA, regardless of whether it causes infection or is just colonisation, is a transmission possibility. "That means we should fight MRSA in the community too. If you don't then you will have a silent pool who are continuously spreading it to other people."

https://www.hpa.org.uk/hpa/news/artic...0303_cmrsa.htm
Our Health Protection Agency is unfortunately "unaware" of community acquired MRSA being a problem. Our hospitals are certainly aware of it and are doing nasal swabs to check new admissions, as Arrowwind says is also happening in USA.
C- difficile is a bigger problem that MRSA now, in the past 2 years or so.

I know of a local hospital which had 12 carriers of MRSA on the nursing staff - still working!

Gerry, be warned that shipping time is lengthy for these kits of MMS. Mine has still not arrived. GLN can only tell me that they shipped it and hope I get it soon. Meanwhile I shall buy a bottle from Arrowwind.
Anything that helps us to survive this poor polluted planet is a blessing.

To date this is not happening in any hospital in my city nor most of the hospitals anywhere. I think UK is more awake to the problem.

I have read reports that in hospital in california 40 percent of hospital staff is colonized for MRSA, that will include your nurse, your surgeon, and your housekeeper.

I had a nasal swab done and I am colonized for regular staph. My medical doctor who is hip to all this says that MOST people are colonized with regular stap just lke many are colonized for strep, but moreso for staph. It only becomes an issue when the immune system is comprimised. We have never had a staph infection. It seems to me that MRSA gets more folks with a normal immune system but I am not absolutely sure on this one. (who has a normal immune system anymore?) Eventually everyone will carrry it as they now do regular staph, it is spreading that fast. If your body can adapt in an immune way you will not get MRSA disease. If it can not adapt quickly you will get it.

Arrow - or anyone who knows - please can you give me the link for the MDI group? I couldn't get it to work last time I saw it.
Thanks.

Thanks, Xania. I just placed a couple of orders. One for the kit to be sent to the Philippines, and another for a bottle to be sent to my son in the US.

The order for the Philippines is to be sent by "Fedex International Economy." I thought the Fedex label would mean a bit faster. The kit costs $50 and I pay $60.02 for the Fedex service (no choice for this). It really makes me uncomfortable when I have to pay more for shipping than the product itself. But this is not unique to GLN. I've paid similarly for some products bought through Amazon and other online sources, but these arrived within 2 weeks, which sort of made the shipping costs worth it. For one product (Bullworkers), $25 shipping had it here in the Philippines within a week.

Well, I ordered the kits for me to try out in some conditions of my patients. I don't have a specific need for it at the moment, so I can wait.

Thanks again.

Gerry

Thanks for the info, Arrowwind. (I don't see the article in the link given, though. I probably have to search for it?)

Is this a typo? Anaerobic bacteria do not need oxygen. The aerobic bacteria do.

In any case, I don't think the hypochlorite mechanism discriminates between anaerobes and aerobes. Both types are killed. In fact, the same mechanism kills viruses as well, which are neither aerobic or anaerobic. It even works against spores like that of anthrax! It would also have its effect on fungi and molds.

However, for chlorine dioxide, one of the references given in this thread mentions that only certain microbes, mostly pathogens, have the enzyme to break it down to release the hypochlorite. Maybe this would explain the need for acidification?

I still have to hear of a microbe that could not be killed with the hypochlorite mechanism (maybe that's why it's the basic mechanism of our neutrophils, the first line of internal defense!). So MMS is really promising, because it's a way of delivering hypochlorite in a non-toxic form.

As for MRSA, it can still be killed with alcohol. So I would suspect that hypochlorite would kill it, too. Another mechanism I'm thinking of is the lauric acid that should be present in our skin oils. Lauric acid is now popular because of the gaining popularity of coconut oil, but it's also present in milk fat or butter. (Soap washes off our skin oils. )

I now remember that I read about Candida as being the factor in chronic fatigue syndrome, and approaches to treatment or management involved controlling carb intake (should be controlling blood sugar levels ), use of lactobacilli, and nutrients to enhance the immune response. (Well, the lactobacilli cell walls also stimulate the immune response, though their use was for "germ warfare," their presence inhibiting the growth of Candida.) I wouldn't be surprised if MMS would work on this, too.

Gerry

Jim Humble and global light are recommending a good probiotics.

https://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Beck-n-stuff/

https://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MDI_News/


There is MMS converstation going on in both the above forums.
By the way, Bil in Beck-n-stuff is the one who told me about MMS
so we should thank him, or not, as the case may be.