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Old 10-06-2007, 06:47 PM
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As Skepzilla noted, why activate MMS with an acid when your stomach has plenty of acid? Maybe so it will be more effective in killing pathogens in your mouth and gullet.

Lots of people, including me, have a damaged esophagus. Why risk further erosion when you can postpone the activation until it enters the stomach?

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As Skepzilla noted, why activate MMS with an acid when your stomach has plenty of acid?
Maybe so it will be more effective in killing pathogens in your mouth and gullet.

Lots of people, including me, have a damaged esophagus. Why risk further erosion when you can postpone the activation until it enters the stomach?
Iggy, I think the problem is that the solution must be activated outside the body, then injested, otherwise the sodium chlorite would mix with the stomach acid, and the reaction would create chlorine. That is not wanted.
If the sodium chlorite is activated outside the body, then injested, when it mixes with the stomach acid, it won't create chlorine, because it has already reacted.(changed to chlorine dioxide)
If the MMS solution causes the same oxidation in the throat and esophagus as it does with gums, no damage will occur... more like healing instead.
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i understand that the harmful flora and fauna that the mms attacks is of an acidic p.h. and that the friendly entities are of an alkaline p.h.
this is how the sodium chlorite differentiates between the two.[quote]
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roscozen, are you new to the forum? Welcome aboard.

I've been trying to understand that myself about the ph and the micro-organisms. It was clearly stated in the book that good bacteria will not be killed due to their more alkaline ph. But there has been controversy about this so I don't know what to say.

Always the rule has been to make your body alkaline for health and that good bacteria survive in alkaline.

Now we must not confuse acidic fluids like hydrochloric acid, lemon juice, or vinegar or citric acid as acid forming, for in the digestive process they stimulate the formation of alkaline reactions. High levels of hydrochloric acid are required for an alkaline body in general.

I still remain confused about the issue of using vinegar. People, including Jim, are saying that vinegar will cause candida to flair, yet since time immemorial vinegar has been recommended for such conditions. Does anyone have a comment on this?

When my candida issues were the worst I never noted any such difficulties with vinegar but I must honestly say that I was looking either.
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In regard to writing your MMS stories..

I think things like dosaging and initial responses are important. They will address questions that will come up over and over with new people trying it out. If initial responses are not well understood then it could keep less adventurous people from entering into a treatment that might really help them.

Lots of people start, back off then start again. Jim seems to think that does not really make any difference but that should be looked at also, in my opinion.

My grandmother always use to say. "Lets look and see what we can see just to see what we can see"

So notes for this early time period could, I guess, could potentially reveal things we just don't know yet.
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Old 10-07-2007, 08:32 AM
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Arrow, could you go over to healthiertalk and give your opinion to Sally B on the MMS thread. She is vomiting black stuff! I gave her information, but if it comes from two sources rather than just one, she is more likely to pay attention. Thanks.
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Xania, Consider it already done! Let me know if you think I was forceful enough.
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Thanks Arrow. I think that was a very good post. You gave her detailed information, and we hope she acts on it - just to be safe!
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As Skepzilla noted, why activate MMS with an acid when your stomach has plenty of acid? Maybe so it will be more effective in killing pathogens in your mouth and gullet.

Lots of people, including me, have a damaged esophagus. Why risk further erosion when you can postpone the activation until it enters the stomach?
Activation may not really be necessary all the time. Remember that Humble had 70% or more success for malaria without activation. He wasn't satisfied with this level of success and found out about acid activation. But 70% is still a high success rate, and for non-malaria conditions, it might be higher (or lower)?

In reading Humble's books, I also wondered about the need for acid activation when our stomach should give out the needed acids. But then, I remember that there are some persons who just do not produce enough acid. Could this be a factor in Humble's 30% "failure" with malaria?

Of course, there's the nature of the acid. Citric and acetic acids are organic (carbon chain skeleton) while the stomach's hydrochloric acid is an inorganic acid. I don't know if this would be significant.

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I can recall Jim Humble talking about MMS.
There is one thing that he stated that everyone seems to have missed, or don't want to discuss. Jim stated that he could not prove it, but believed that MMS would add 25 years to your life. Let me state that again 25 YEARS OF HEALTHY YEARS ADDED TO YOUR LIFE.
If he is right or even close with this "prediction" that means we should live to be well over 100 without any other major changes, just using MMS to keep the immune system at full strength. Thats interesting..
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:04 AM
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Free Radic Res, 2004 Jul, 38(7), 739 - 50
A comparison of the effects of ocular preservatives on mammalian and microbial ATP and glutathione levels; Ingram PR et al.; The aim of this study was to investigate the mechanism of action of the preservative sodium chlorite (NaClO2), and the relationship with intracellular glutathione depletion . A detailed comparison of the dose responses of two cultured ocular epithelial cell types and four species of microorganism was carried out, and comparisons were also made with the quaternary ammonium compound benzalkonium chloride (BAK), and the oxidant hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) . The viability of mammalian and microbial cells was assessed in the same way, by the measurement of intracellular ATP using a bioluminescence method . Intracellular total glutathione was measured by reaction with 5,5'-dithiobis-2-nitrobenzoic acid in a glutathione reductase-dependent recycling assay . BAK and H2O2 caused complete toxicity to conjunctival and corneal epithelial cells at approximately 25 ppm, in contrast to NaClO2, where > 100 ppm was required . The fungi Candida albicans and Alternaria alternata had a higher resistance to NaClO2 than the bacteria Staphyloccus aureus and Pseudomonas aeruginosa, but the bacteria were extremely resistant to H2O2 . NaClO2 caused substantial depletion of intracellular glutathione in all cell types, at concentrations ranging from <10> 500 ppm in fungal cells . The mechanisms of cytotoxicity of NaClO2, H2O2 and BAK all appeared to differ . NaClO2 was found to have the best balance of high antibacterial toxicity with low ocular toxicity . The lower toxicity of NaClO2 to the ocular cells, compared with BAK and H2O2, is in agreement with fewer reported adverse effects of application in the eye.
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It might be good to supplement with NAC to keep GSH at a healthy level.
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Free Radic Res, 2004 Jul, 38(7), 739 - 50NaClO2 caused substantial depletion of intracellular glutathione in all cell types, at concentrations ranging from <10> 500 ppm in fungal cells.
It might be good to supplement with NAC to keep GSH at a healthy level.
This mechanism confirms what I mentioned earlier that hypochlorite has its own cell toxicity but is easily managed by the body (in case the neutrophil dies in battle and releases its hypochlorite and peroxides) with superoxide dismutase (of which glutathione is a part) mechanisms.

Glutathione is made of three "non-essential" amino acids: glutamic acid, cysteine and glycine. If we want to provide raw materials for our bodies to produce glutathione, we simply take in more protein. Taking only specific amino acids may not be of much use if the others are absent, or if the body uses them for something else because of lack of protein. We should never underestimate our need for protein.

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NaClO2 caused substantial depletion of intracellular glutathione
But we are not taking in sodium chlorite. We are taking in chlorine dioxide. a different chemical structure with different results.
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Anyone who is worried about low glutathione levels can supplement with NAC, ALA, and grape seed extract. The liver will convert this into glutathione. Supplement in the morning (including vitamin C) and take your MMS at night.
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So if there is an indication that one is not improving, then I suggest the following direction. Purchase some Indian Herb from Kathleen in texas. It costs $60 a vial and that is plenty. Phone 806 647-1741 She has a thousand letters from people who have been helped. She and her father have been selling the Indian herb for over 60 years.
The above quote comes from the questions and answers provided by Xania. At the bottom is a few paragraphs with recommendations for folks with cancer. Thats where this quote comes from.

I called Kathleen in Texas today. Her product is similar to the old time escharics except that this one is made for internal use. It is made from bloodroot, licorice, galangal, and yellow dock. She sounded on the phone to be fairly along in years, as she had inherited the formula and business from her dad. Anyway, I plan to have another conversation with her next week. I think that she in in jeopardy by carrying testimonials on her website. She said that since Jim has come out with this information she has been swamped with phone calls.

Over the years the FDA has come down hard on bloodroot products. I suspect hers is a good one and it sounds similar to other recipes from classic herbalogy.

If I had cancer I would likely be adding something like this to my regimen. This is the first oral product I've come across in a long time. Other companies have been shut down.

https://www.lifelinewater.com/herb.html
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