I really think we should not underestimate the effect of MMS without activation. Thus, I find it surprising that even Humble would require acidification, warning that otherwise, it would not work. Doesn't he give weight to his successes before when he still did not do acidification?
Postponing activation until in the stomach might be more gentle on the esophagus, which on many older people is already eroded.
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So for pets, although I plan to use only intravenous administration, I think we could start out with plain MMS without acidification, unless we know that our pets enjoy sour taste. I would think that like Humble, we could use MMS without acidification unless we see that there's no effect.
If you bypass the stomach by using IV, how would unactivated MMS ever be acidified?
I agree with Pinballdoctor, activated MMS is a great for cleaning my teeth.
I use 4 drops and lime juice in 1 ounce of distilled water.
I dip the brush of my Sonicare in the MMS, occasionally also dipping the wet brush in baking soda.
After brushing, I use the remaining MMS to swish in my mouth. I spit out the MMS.
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Gerry, I had said earlier, that I am giving the mms to my dog, by after activating it, mixing it with some milk.... will the milk in some way mess up the mms????
I don't think we could really interfere with the action of MMS. Acidification would have released chlorine dioxide, so the milk will just be a carrier. In my own 2nd experiment, I took cheese and milk before the "plain" MMS, thinking that their proteins would cause more secretion of stomach acid.
I have my doubts about the acidification thing anyway. I see that Jim Humble wants it to assure a virtual 100% efficacy. But I just keep thinking that he has been successful as well when he was not acidifying. So it should not mean that interferences (vitamin C, for example) will nullify the efficacy of MMS, activated or not.
As for your dog, it's improving with what you're doing, so why doubt the method you're using? :wink:
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Yes my son and I discussed the idea of the heartworms, and the possibility that this might kill her, but we went ahead with the experimenting...
Arrow points out that MMS might kill parasites. I wonder if it would kill heartworms? If it does, it would also stimulate the body's immune response, increasing the ability to breakdowna and absorb or eliminate the dead worms. So I don't think there's anything to fear about this.
As for vitamin C, lemon juice was used for its citric acid, and effectively at that. I know lemon juice is a source of vitamin C, right?
If you bypass the stomach by using IV, how would unactivated MMS ever be acidified?
Chapter 13 in part 2 of Humble's book explains it this way: the components of the blood bring down the pH of the MMS (highly alkaline at the start) so that it starts releasing chlorine dioxide.
From what I've been reading, though, I now tend to think that simply diluting MMS (which Jim says is highly alkaline) will bring down the pH enough to start dissociating the chlorine dioxide in solution. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that the failures without acidification were more of failures of dose rather than acidification. I'll have to go back to book 1 and check. Sodium chloride (salt) dissociates easily in water. So why not sodium chlorite dissociating into sodium and chlorite (chlorine dioxide) in water (which is what supposedly happens in the blood)? Water is neutral, but relative to alkaline pH of MMS, it could be considered "more acidic."
On some other forum this question was posed about heart worms and one person said that if the heart worms are killed fast and all start to dump at once that it could cause death. Don't know what to think about this. I will leave that to you.
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with your pets are you going to use a glucose solution as recommended in the book? I can make normal saline for injection but I don't know how to make glucose solution. Do you think it would work? I was thinking of emailing Jim Humble to see if he knew of anyone using saline.
On some other forum this question was posed about heart worms and one person said that if the heart worms are killed fast and all start to dump at once that it could cause death. Don't know what to think about this. I will leave that to you.
That is a danger of heartworm treatment. The worms are in the lung arteries and if killed, can cause blockage of those vessels.
However, that danger exists whether we use MMS (in case it is effective) or the approved drugs (melarsomine, thiacetarsamide). I don't believe we could kill heartworms little by little. A low dose of melarsomine does not necessarily kill just a few worms. More likely, it doesn't kill any, in spite of the manufacturer's recommendations.
And when the worms die in those lung arteries, they must be removed by the immune system. And MMS might have a role here.
As for MMS killing pathogens as large as parasites, I still have to find the mechanism. I know that the macrophage nitric oxide/peroxynitrite respiratory burst can kill some parasites, but I still have to see how hypochlorite will fit in the picture.
with your pets are you going to use a glucose solution as recommended in the book? I can make normal saline for injection but I don't know how to make glucose solution. Do you think it would work? I was thinking of emailing Jim Humble to see if he knew of anyone using saline.
I just made a highly dilute solution. From a 50 mL bottle if distilled water for injection, I removed 6 mL and replaced it with 6 mL of MMS. I approximate that to be 2 drops MMS for each mL. I plan to start with an intravenous dose of 1 mL per 50 pounds. Definitely, a lot of pets are way below 50 pounds, so I find this preparation convenient in the sense that I only have to give doses of less than an mL.
Distilled water for injection? We don't do that with people. Its normal saline. or glucose solution, or ringers.
With the heart worm thing, I wonder if it would be advantageous to give large doses of enzymes at time of worm execution. Perhaps the enzymes would help eat up the worms?
Distilled water for injection? We don't do that with people. Its normal saline. or glucose solution, or ringers.
Well, it's not sold to be injected as is. It's sold to dissolve injectable preparations that come in powder form, such as some antimicrobials, minerals, and vaccines (which do not last long as liquid). In this case, I'm using it to dilute MMS. One drop is hard to estimate in a syringe.
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With the heart worm thing, I wonder if it would be advantageous to give large doses of enzymes at time of worm execution. Perhaps the enzymes would help eat up the worms?
Well that's a thought! I should consider that in the next heartworm case we have to treat.
Fortunately, a lot of people now put their dogs on some preventive, and heartworm is not as common as before.
Distilled water for injection? We don't do that with people. Its normal saline. or glucose solution, or ringers.
With the heart worm thing, I wonder if it would be advantageous to give large doses of enzymes at time of worm execution. Perhaps the enzymes would help eat up the worms?
Arrow - do you have sterile water for injection? We used that in the same way Gerry is using distilled water - as a solvent.
I have a question which I am sure has probably been answered several times in this thread already but the thread is getting too long to hunt for it. Is it better to take the MMS on an empty stomach or with food?
The answer is probably in the book, but I am still... waiting for my copy.
It is best to take it about 30 to 45 minutes after a meal. I like to take it best after dinner and before bed. Then I sleep through strange effects. It seems to make me a little dizzy at times which causes nausea for me. It does cross the blood/brain barrier. I did it on an empty stomach once an I was very sorry. But Jim does mention that it can be therapeutic to do so and I would guess that if you have ulcers or stomach cancer you might want to consider it but that is just an idea I've tossed around and can't say for sure.
I started last night--1 drop. This morning after breakfast--3 drops. I've had my product for some time but wanted to wait until I had read the book before starting. I ordered the book over two weeks ago but am still waiting to receive it. Decided I didn't want to wait any longer, so started. Waiting to see what happens next.
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