Since my first update on MMS nothing new to report except a few days ago I had a bout of diarrhea similar to what Gerry just described.

I don't know how anyone can use vinegar as the activator. It is absolutely horrible tasting.
Citric acid, or even lemon juice would be better.

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I can't stand the citric acid and much prefer the vinegar.

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I saw this man again, yesterday, and told him I now have a supply, and offered some to him. His reaction was predictable - "No Thanks". Asking what his objection was, he just said
"The way it's presented"

Does that tell us what his background is!! But that is so sad - he has a post viral, chronic fatigue condition. He is doing his best to run his own clinical audit business and life could be different for him if he was open to a new idea - however presented.
- bangs head against wall.

Well I think all would agree that we would like it better if research were done and everything were delivered in a tidy little presentation.

Most drugs damage cells. some drugs kill human cells. They are all toxic. Many people die from the use of antiibotics. They can cause liver and kidney failure.

I think that there is much yet unknown on MMS. I do feel that those who want to explore it have the right to make that choice, especially in light of all the disease our medical establishment creates and the deaths that occur at such hands. Many people are struggling to have some kind of live and current medicine, if not the cause, certainly holds little hope for them

It does appear that mms is effective for a number of conditions. I would not stay on it forever as Jim Humble does. Chlorine we know is toxic in sufficinet quatity but it does not seem to accumulate in the system. I am not convinced we fully understand what happens to mms after ingestion. I do know that chlorine can make some one sick but I also wonder about swimming in heavily chlorinated pools. Millions of people jump in these pools millions of times every year and soak for a couple of hours.Many people do this and live to a rip old age. I think of my niece who was all state swimming champ. 4 hours a day in a chlorinated pool almost every day for about 4 years. Lots of chlorine is absorbed through the skin while in these pools. The skin has a huge capacity for absorbing minerals and most any chemical you want to put on it.

just some thoughts.

Amazing.

I guess we are all different.

When I was a kid, fries with vinegar was "in", as fries with gravy wasn't invented yet. I got sick of the taste (and smell) of vinegar, and haven't been able to stomach it since.
Same is true for cod liver oil, thats why I take the softgels.

**You are absolutely right about the skin absorbing chlorine from swimming pools. It is also in the water that we shower with, as well as breath in the "chlorine mist", which is all bad.

It's one thing being considered, based on the signs he and my wife described. It may be something else. But fortunately, whatever it is, it has responded to MMS in spite of being non-responsive to antibiotics.

Were you continuing your use of MMS? Or did this happen even if you already stopped?

I just used vinegar because we did not have any of the others available, and more importantly, I was duplicating what my son did.

I'm also concerned about what was mentioned in the audio that vinegar or acetic acid actually enhanced Candida growth, worsening the condition. How common are Candida infections? Should we just outrightly avoid vinegar? I was thinking of using apple cider vinegar as an alternative.

Well, I think this is where I have a big advantage. To me, if we know the mechanism, if we know the pathways, then we can easily see the validity of claims. And fortunately for me, I have learned of immunological mechanisms that have been known for years.

As soon as I saw this thread and looked into Humble's books, I immediately recognized a mechanism similar to our own neutrophil respiratory burst. Now what can be better than that? Even when I read about the neutrophil respiratory burst some years ago, I really marvelled at how we have the best defense against pathogens right in our own systems: hypochlorite (hypochlorous acid) -- plain household bleach!

So when I read about MMS here, it became clear that here was one way of safely delivering a powerful substance into our bodies. So I'm no longer looking out for research (although they would be interesting reading), and am jumping fully into application. As you would have noted, I had no qualms recommending it for a relatively frightening condition (coughing out frank blood) in my own son. And as I expected, knowing the mechanisms, he responded favorably. (Now if only he could get himself to take it daily till at least full recovery.) I am also now jumping into applications with my own canine patients. I virtually have no fear of going ahead because I recognize the mechanism.

Well, as much as I could, I'm trying to share my advantage (some immunology knowledge) with all of you.

As I pointed out in one post, we take in chlorine routinely, as part of table salt, which is half sodium (also toxic by itself) and half chlorine. I hope no one in this group believes in the low-salt myth. We have chlorine in all our body tissues, it being a part of electrical conduction (nerve and muscle signals). It must also be available for the neutrophil respiratory burst. It's even a part of our digestive system as hydrochloric acid.

Could low salt intake explain poor innate immune response because of the resulting deficient hypochlorite production? And how about weakness from poor nerve and muscle signal conduction? Or decreased stomach acid production?

Chlorine is a nutrient like most other poisons: sodium, potassium, phosphorus, iodine, and cobalt (to name just a few). Whether we are poisoned by these or not depends on the form we take them, not necessarily the quantity. And any excess chlorine is easily excreted by our kidneys. So no problem with excess chlorine, as long as we ingest it in its non-toxic forms.

As for what happens to MMS in our bodies, I really think it is used as hypochlorite. And our bodies have ways to deal with unneeded hypochlorite.

Gerry

I don't think I believe this about vinegar at all. Whats others opinions on this? Many old folk cures for candida use as a vinegar douche. I don't know where this came from, fear of vinegar. I have seen no supporting evidence.

Quick question, I started using this on my dog... going very slowly with her. We have finally increased to three drops... She is a big dog!! It does seem to be clearing up the white coating over her one bad eye tho... IMy question... once I mix the mms and lime juice up and wait three minutes, I pour a glass of milk into the mixture to get her to drink it.... Is this wrong... will the milk mess this up... If so, could I use beef broth maybe??

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just me - do you have any pH strips? As I recall, we are not to use anything with Vit C in it, hence the ban on citrus fruit drinks. Maybe adding more acid stuff to it would be wrong. Water is usually pH neutral. Perhaps Arrow or Gerry can advise us better. I would be inclined to find out the pH of milk and broth and use whichever one is not acid. After that, I would sit down with Jim's book and read it again!!

This was with continues use. Had slowly worked up to 10 drops a day and had been at that rate for a while. It lasted for one day and that was it.

Agree with PBD on the taste of vinegar, yuck phooey!, used it the first two days because that was all I had.
Then went into shop and found some sandpaper to scrape taste off tongue.
Citric acid is much better, but still not good. Would like to try apple juice,etc. instead of water, when I can find some that has not been improved by the addition of vitamin �C�.

Mad, Husband and I find it quite drinkable with the addition of apple or pineapple juice. - organic, of course!

Well, I wanted to find out if MMS could be "activated" with stomach acid. So I sort of repeated my experiment, but this time without activating.

I placed some 20 drops in a glass, added some water enough for a couple of gulps (weird taste!) and followed it up with a couple of glasses of plain water. A difference from my previous trial, though, was that I had a full stomach. I even purposely ate more cheese, thinking that protein would stimulate stomach acid secretion.

In an hour, I really felt nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but a lot more strongly than in my previous trial where I thought I was only imagining things. This time, the nausea was real and strong, although bearable.

It's now around 7 hours since my dosing, and I only had one "diarrhea" which did not really pass much fluid, unlike in my first trial. Either my first trial took care of any diarrhea I still had to make, or my not activating had some effect. However, I think that the strong nausea I felt was indication that the MMS was still activated by my own stomach acid.

I really think we should not underestimate the effect of MMS without activation. Thus, I find it surprising that even Humble would require acidification, warning that otherwise, it would not work. Doesn't he give weight to his successes before when he still did not do acidification?

So for pets, although I plan to use only intravenous administration, I think we could start out with plain MMS without acidification, unless we know that our pets enjoy sour taste. I would think that like Humble, we could use MMS without acidification unless we see that there's no effect.

Just my ideas. 8)

Gerry

Gerry, I admire your spirit of advnture, but I know that you have sound reasoning behind your experiments. Thanks for telling us.
D and I are still plodding slowly, increasing by one drop daily. Not much to report - maybe I am sleeping better.

Gerry, I had said earlier, that I am giving the mms to my dog, by after activating it, mixing it with some milk.... will the milk in some way mess up the mms???? She seems to be doing well... Actually, she seems to be doing very well... This is the old lab that we have had for many years... definitly over weight, according to the vet has heartworms, kidneys are supposedly shutting down, and she has an infection in one eye that most folks says is a cataract..... I have been giving her three drops... Yes my son and I discussed the idea of the heartworms, and the possibility that this might kill her, but we went ahead with the experimenting... To be honest, we really couldnt afford any of the other treatments, so our only other choice was to consider putting her down.... But.... since she has been doing the mms.. She seems to have more energy... She is definitly going pee more, and the infection in the eye actually seems to be clearing up... I am hoping its not my imagination... son should be over today and I will see what he says... She doesnt seem to snore as much at night like she use to, and she actually tried to jump up on my picnic table in order to get a doggie snack from me(No I didnt tell her to get up there, I just called her name, and she came running so hard and fast, that when she got there, she jumped!!! surprised the heck out of me!!!) and honestly, we did one drop one week, missed a week becus of new grandbaby, and then went to three drops at night before we go to bed.... its getting to be a ritual for her and I, our own private little time together without the rest of the world bothering us. I hope the mms is working as well as I think it is... She goes back to the vet in Dec for shots, so we will know something then!
Xania, I dont think milk has vitamin c, thats why I figured it would be ok, but Im not really sure..... yes more reading is necessary, but at this point, Im trying to get caught up on the school work that I missed while at the hospital with tadpole... so extra reading will have to wait a while!