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We have a city in California called "Twentynine Palms." Why not a conglomerate disease called "Twentynine Ancient Diseases" disease. A rose is a rose is a rose...
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This is a travesty.

That there are those who say that AIDS does not exits while its communicatble nature is well documented is a travesety.

It does nothing for finding a cure for the peole who have this 29 palms disease.

On the other hand the FDA will not look at or accept or allow research on Ozone as a purifier for blood used for transfusions wich would wipe out every virus or microplama it could contain without damaging the blood. Nor will they recognize the documented cures of AIDS-29 palms disease with the use of IV ozone treatment even though its been stuck under their nose time and again.

Yes, Ruby, the truth is out there somewhere. And in this case the truth is in Ozone.

If you really want to know the greatest political and medical horror story of the century you will ge Ed McCabes book "Flood Your Body with Oxygen" $18 at amazon.
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Boru & Zkep:
While media encourages us to argue over how many Red & Blue states there are, and yip yip hooray for our �team� because it won this that or that election. The reality is this is just a means to keep us distracted while both parties are working to slowly strip us of our rights and freedom.

Check out the following web site. It is for a new movie coming out this summer. Hopefully it will motivate some to learn what is going on and show us who the �they� are and what they are planning.

freedomtofascism.com
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I couldn't get your site to go anywhere but I did find this written review.

My husband and I considered refusing to pay taxes at one point in our history, about 15 years ago for the same reasons this movie points out. Eventually we came to the reality that we do not have the monetary clout to fight anything in a court of law. It would have decimated us and our children left in the custody of others as we spent our life in jail.

So yes, in the face of the IRS we are wimps.

Any simple child can figure out that money is made out of thin air. I did when I was quite young as my uncle tried to explain to me his version of a silver note, fort knox, the IMF and the World Bank.
Scary stuff.
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Thanks to all of you. Your reactions were not as furious as I feared. I notice that you are willing to do your own thinking about the points I brought up. And that's the best I could hope for. Naturally, I can't expect everyone to agree with me on all points. So let me comment on some of the issues you raised:

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So what are all the hemophiliacs dying of, conspiracyitis? Why did 2 of my classmates and my 1st cousin die at such young ages of a non-disease? Would you feel better if the name "AIDS" was changed to "WholeBunchOfCrudSyndrome"?
I think that would not be a bad name change. But, as Ruby pointed out (and some guy named Bill Shakespeare before her): A rose is a rose...
The name is not really that important. What's truly important is the sad fact that your classmates and your cousin died. No, they did not die of a non-disease. They just didn't die of "AIDS", because there's no such thing. Let's not forget that hemophiliacs are not normal healthy people. They are born with a serious genetic defect. Non-threatening things like swallowing spinach seeds or other sharp little objects can have serious consequences for hemophiliacs. Occult internal bleeding can mean serious blood loss. So these people receive lots of blood transfusions during their lives. And these transfusions are risky by themselves, regardless of whether there are viruses in them. Introducing strange proteins into your blood stream is not something to be recommended. But under certain conditions it is necessary.
Hemophiliacs have never been known to live long lives. Of course cleaning up the blood supplies is a good thing. But not all risks have disappeared.
There have been too many people who died, supposedly from "AIDS", where nobody even went to the trouble of finding out what was the real cause of death. But better still, we shouldn't wait until the patient dies. Instead of treatments with toxic meds against a vaguely defined disease and a non-existent virus, the patient should be treated for whatever he or she is really suffering from. If it's pneumonia, treat the patient for that, instead of bumping the poor slob off with antiretroviral drugs, just because certain kinds of pneumonia belong to the 29 "AIDS-defining" diseases.

Arowwind suggested ozone therapy. Well... actually, that makes a lot of sense. There is a brilliant German biochemist by the name of Stefan Lanka, who is of the opinion that "AIDS" should be renamed "AEDS", for "Acquired Energy Deficiency Syndrome". Many metabolic phenomena that are ascribed to AIDS can be explained by a shortage of energy.
In higher organisms, the energy generated through the oxidation of foodstuffs by oxygen is stored as high-energy phosphate (ATP). If this mechanism fails, we're in deep trouble. But instead of funding studies that address this line of thought, all research money is spent on drugs that are supposed to stop a virus that has never been isolated. But of course, this is far mor lucrative for the pharma industry.

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The reality is this is just a means to keep us distracted while both parties are working to slowly strip us of our rights and freedom.
That's right on the money, I think. When I lived in the U.S., I still enjoyed some freedoms that are gone now. But don't think this is a specific American phenomenon; it's a global trend. The whole world is diverging into a master/slave society. Civil rights are a thing of the past already. Eventually, there will be a generation that will stop this trend. But we may not live to see it.

Arrowwind: Refusing to pay taxes is seldom successful. Many have tried.
Being fast on your feet and willing to travel is a better solution.
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Any simple child can figure out that money is made out of thin air. I did when I was quite young as my uncle tried to explain to me his version of a silver note, fort knox, the IMF and the World Bank.
Today's kids think that money is manufactured in ATM machines. The response of my son, when he was small, to "I don't have any money," was, "Well, just go to the ATM machine."

Children may think that money is made out of thin air, but adults must face reallity: a silver note, Fort Knox, the IMF and the World Bank are all repositories for money, the exchange for which legal tender is our labor.
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My husband and I considered refusing to pay taxes at one point in our history, about 15 years ago for the same reasons this movie points out. Eventually we came to the reality that we do not have the monetary clout to fight anything in a court of law. It would have decimated us and our children left in the custody of others as we spent our life in jail.

Yes you wimped out. But not without good reason as Iggy�s quote states. �With the government's unlimited resources, they can just keep coming after you until they find the right judge and jury.�

Along that same line the director of the movie �freedom to fascism� was talking about the 70 year old guy who was recently convicted of tax evasion (can�t think of his name at the moment) but as he was defending himself in court he was going to site various tax laws. However the judge disallowed that and is on record, say that he would not be allowed quote the law in his courtroom!

Also before a case is turned over to the jury and the judge will is instruct jury to only consider evidence that was presented. But how often are they told that they can also consider if the laws in question really apply to this case and even if they do that they can declare them invalid.

More stuff and other things along the same line. https://jimmarrs.com/
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UN Agency Expands Team Investigating Bird Flu Cluster

May 18 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization sent two officials to Indonesia's North Sumatra province to investigate the largest cluster of human bird flu cases, as a government official said sick animals may have been involved.

Medical epidemiologists Thomas Grein and Timothy Uyeki joined the team in the province today, said Sari Setiogi, a WHO spokeswoman in Jakarta. The H5N1 avian influenza strain infected as many as eight members of a family in the past month. It may also have been in farm animals near their homes, Agriculture Minister Anton Apriantono said today.

"Hopefully the two people heading to North Sumatra today can contribute and identify the source,'' Setiogi said.

Infected animals increase the risk of human infection and create opportunities for the virus to mutate into a pandemic form. Fatalities from H5N1 this year have surpassed 2005 levels as the virus spread to more than 30 countries on three continents.

At least 115 of the 208 people known to be infected with bird flu have died, the WHO said on its Web site May 12. The tally doesn't include six cases, five of which were fatal, in North Sumatra and an unrelated fatality in East Java confirmed by the WHO yesterday.

The virus infected a 75-year-old woman in Egypt, marking the county's 14th human case, China's Xinhua news agency reported yesterday. The woman, from the governorate of Minya, about 220 kilometers (137 miles) south of Cairo, contracted the H5N1 strain through direct contact with backyard poultry, Xinhua said.

Almost all human H5N1 cases have been linked to close contact with sick or dead birds, such as children playing with them or adults butchering them or taking off feathers, according to the WHO. Cooking meat and eggs properly kills the virus.

Pigs, Poultry

Pigs, chickens and ducks are raised by about half the 400 households in the North Sumatran village of Kubu Sembilang, where some of the infected people lived.

Most of Kubu Sembilang's residents are Christian and many of them are distantly related, Umbat, who runs a food stall in the village, said in an interview yesterday. Indonesia has the world's highest population of Muslims.

Waterfowl are the natural hosts of avian influenza. Pigs are susceptible to both human and avian strains and are considered a potential ``mixing bowl'' of flu viruses.

Ten of 11 pigs in the district where the infected people lived were found to have avian flu antibodies in their blood, Apriantono told reporters in Jakarta today.

Previous Infection

The presence of antibodies is an indication of an existing or previous infection. Antibodies were also found in chickens and ducks by a national laboratory in Bogor, and confirmatory tests on the animal samples are under way, Apriantono said.

"As soon as we know it's positive, these animals should be culled,'' he said.

"If the virus is in pigs, that would be a major concern,'' Ton Schat, a professor of virology and immunology at Cornell University, said in an interview today.

Previous testing on farm animals surrounding the patients' homes had shown no evidence of avian flu, raising concern that the virus may have been passed from one person to another.

The possibility of human-to-human transmission cannot be ruled out, the WHO's Setiogi said.

Genetic Changes

Human-to-human transmission would suggest the virus had undergone genetic changes making it more contagious to people. Avian flu has the potential of sparking a pandemic if it spreads easily among people.

"It is certainly alarming,'' said Dick Thompson, a WHO spokesman in Geneva. "This is the largest H5N1 cluster we have seen. There are obviously important questions that we need answered. But right now it is too early in the investigation to say anything definitive.''

Yesterday, three members of the family said they were feeling sick, with symptoms including headache and cough.

"At this point there is no evidence that infectivity, transmissibility or virulence has changed dramatically, but we're investigating the Indonesian cases very carefully,'' Shigeru Omi, the WHO's regional director for the western Pacific region, told reporters in Hong Kong today.
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But what about that Minnesota turkey?
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Inflamatory!
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Does he sign off with "H"?
No Jabbo, I'm not talking about that kind of turkey. I mean "turkey", the bird that is at the center of attention on Thanksgiving.
I made this loose remark in connection with an article on bird flu that is to appear soon. When it's out, I'll let y'all know.

I read something unsettling yoday. It was an interview with Dr. Jeff Runge, chief medical officer for the Department of Homeland Security. (Did that sink in? the Department of Homeland Security!!)

"Bird flu will hit the United States - it's only a matter of time - and not all states are ready to respond to the deadly virus", says the chief quack.

Yeah. Think of that bird on a raft, in the middle of the Atlantic, too sick with the flu to be able to fly. It's coming...

Here in Europe, it's all over without ever having started. Nobody worries about it anymore. Sure, we read about birds dying in Indonesia. But we knew all along that birds die sometimes.

You know what this looks like? This Runge character is establishing an alibi beforehand for the next atrocity the U.S. government has in store for you. Something is brewing, and they're not telling you about it. But if something goes wrong, and there are a lot of deaths, they already have the bird flu in place to blame the disaster on. Is the government so clever, or are the citizens so dumb?
Paranoia? Maybe. But that doesn't mean they're not out to get ya.
I'm watching it all from a safe distance. I'll come to the U.S. again after Jan 20, 2009. Right now I wouldn't feel safe - and it's not because of the bird flu.
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