Maybe you can use your influence with pepawbear to get SovereignSilver to fund a trial.
Yes, I'm highly quotable where ol' pepawbear is concerned. Besides, ol' pepawbear isn't interested in objective proof--only "miracles" that his "product" allegedly delivers.
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Colloidal silver is generally well-tolerated, according to the literature I've seen. It is hell for bacteria and viruses present, though. But keep in mind that most of these intestinal bacteria are benign or even beneficial.
Yes, argyria makes you look like death warmed over.
One warning: ionic silver (such as silver nitrate) is very toxic!
Ruby, the last time I looked at some scientific papers on CS was more than a year ago. I can't find them right now, but here are a couple of articles that give a pretty good idea what it's all about.
Silver was used a lot in ancient times, before antibiotics were known.
The FDA has banned the sale of colloidal silver solutions, but most users produce their own, electrolytically.
Silver is an old remedy. The metallic form is not very toxic, but the ionic forms are. Anyhow, it's controversial, as you will see. Just the stuff you like.
Review by Ray Richmond
Bottom line: A taut and terrifying evocation of a viral nightmare.
8-10 p.m. Tuesday, May 9
ABC
This chilling made-for-TV pic that's designed to look and feel like a contemporary nightmare docudrama a la "The Day After" delivers the goods with a wallop to the gut, taking some heavy-handed liberties in telling the to-date fictitious story of an avian flu pandemic but revealing a greater sense of authenticity than most reality shows. The fact that "Fatal Contact: Bird Flu in America" is so disturbingly timely adds to its impact, but even without any contextual backdrop, it's an exceptionally well-produced (by exec producers Diana Kerew and Judith Verno and producer Dennis A. Brown), -written (by Ron McGee) and -directed (by Richard Pearce) cautionary tale that's more than worthy of its sweeps scheduling.
It's almost immediately clear that the folks behind the film did their homework to make for a wrenchingly credible scenario. They also smartly utilized as a consultant a fellow named John M. Barry, author of the New York Times best-seller "The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History" (about the 1918 Spanish flu that wiped out tens of millions). And while there is an inevitable overheated quality to much of the dialogue, its focus and tone are steeped more in sobering "what if?" than alarmist "we're doomed!" This isn't to say it isn't distinguished by some particularly graphic scenes of blood-seeping medical calamity.
Playing like a page-turning thriller, "Fatal Contact" opens with a depiction of Patient Zero in the depicted outbreak: an American businessman who flies to Hong Kong to meet with his Asian manufacturers and winds up falling violently ill. It's traced to a new strain of avian flu virus discovered by the World Health Organization in a Hong Kong marketplace. More than a million birds suspected of infection are destroyed to eradicate the strain, to no avail. The virus leaps from its bird hosts and is suddenly communicable via human-to-human contact.
This is pretty much the ultimate health catastrophe, a virulent disease that's so contagious and spreads with frightening speed via microbes that take to permeating the atmosphere. In the film, the doctor fighting to somehow keep the nightmare contained, Dr. Iris Varnack, is played with earnest command by "Nip/Tuck" star Joely Richardson. She's flanked by Stacy Keach as the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Ann Cusack as the wife of the fallen businessman, Scott Cohen as the quarantine-conscious governor of Virginia and Justina Machado of "Six Feet Under" as a New York nurse on the front line of the escalating crisis. All acquit themselves well, which is to say, without chewing too much scenery.
Balancing the gloomy prognosis in the meticulously researched "Fatal Contact" is the single encouraging, if ironic, footnote: that even if this actually came to pass and the country was woefully short of adequate vaccine for four to five months, that could wind up as a blessing in disguise. Why? Because the longer the virus is around, the less lethal the strain becomes. But the film doesn't exist to reassure us. The actual H5N1 virus is working its way through the wild bird and poultry populations of 48 countries in Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Africa. And while properly cooked poultry kills the virus, the capacity for mutation is no long shot. Thus, we minimize vivid and intelligent movies like this one at our peril.
Colloidal silver is still there. Even my MD has it.
What makes you say it is banned, Skepzilla?
Yes, it's still available by prescription. The ban applies to over the counter preparations of CS that are claimed to be effective against any kind of disease. This complicated formulation has to do with the fact that the rules the FDA handles for drugs are different from those for foods and food additives. Several companies received warnings from the FDA in 1999.
In October 1996, the FDA proposed to ban the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products [11]. A Final Rule banning such use was issued on August 17, 1999 and became effective September 16th. The rule applies to any nonprescription colloidal silver or silver salt product claimed to be effective in preventing or treating any disease [12]. Silver products can still be sold as "dietary supplements" provided that no health claims are made for them. During 2000, the FDA issued warnings to more than 20 companies whose Web sites were making illegal therapeutic claims for colloidal silver products.
And while properly cooked poultry kills the virus, the capacity for mutation is no long shot.
Still trying to scare us silly, eh Ruby? While you're cavorting on the beach, laughing your tail off. Well, the capacity for mutation really is a long shot.
Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my well-done chicken drumsticks. As you know, I'm in Europe. So if I get the flu, I'll give you fair warning and I'll let you know how it feels. :wink:
Well, the capacity for mutation really is a long shot.
With what do you not agree?
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Genetic studies of the human influenza virus are changing the understanding of how fast and how frequently viruses mutate. A series of studies recently published in the journals Nature and Science show that flu viruses swap genetic information far more frequently than was thought, and that there are even more versions of human flu than researchers suspected.
Plus, findings from a project that looked specifically at genetic information from the virus that caused the 1918 influenza pandemic may alter the basic understanding of how viruses adapt to different species. In fact, scientists now question their understanding of where viruses come from and what happens when they move between different species.
Samples of the 1918 virus came from sources that were frozen and stored for years.. "Studying the 1918 virus is difficult... it's something that happened about 90 years ago and we're basically doing archaeology at the molecular level," Jeffery Taubenberger, MD, PhD, told Access Excellence. He is chair of the Department of Molecular Pathology at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Rockville, Maryland. Studying viruses from the past reveals details of how viruses evolve. Flu viruses change or mutate through a genetic swapping method microbiologists call reassortment, and have a segmented genome that allows them to swap genetic information easily. Genetic material is located on eight discrete segments of RNA rather than on one string.
The hyperbole. Most of the things in that article are correct facts. Flu viruses have a segmented genome, so reassortment (and even recombination) is possible. But in order for that to happen, two virus strains must be present in the same cell at the same time. And if one of them is a bird virus, the question remains how it got in there in the first place. Have you ever met a human being with foot-and-mouth disease? Or feline distemper?
Based on a few simple facts that are true (reassortment does happen), Dr. Taubenberger goes on a flight of fancy, just extrapolating to a mutant that just happens to be much more virulent and more deadly than the regular strains we get to see every year.
This is science fiction stuff: In this kind of story, a hybrid of a human and a mule is always as smart as a human and as strong as a mule. Why not the other way around? Weak and flabby as a human and stupid as a mule? Must we call a cross between a pheasant and a duck a "deasant"?
I also think the good doctor Taubenberger is bluffing when he claims to have the 1918 virus. Isolating flu viruses from human patients (especially after 88 years) is no easy matter. Besides, RNA is by no means as durable as DNA.
And I'm sure they don't have the dreaded H5N1 virus either. Sure, they can squeeze some slop out of a patient that shows type H5 hemagglutination behavior and type 1 neuraminidase activity, but those are markers, not virus particles.
And don't you find it strange that all those nasty viruses originate in the far east? As far away from the U.S. as possible. The "Spanish flu" didn't originate in Spain, but in Canton. It seems to me that there is a lot of harm done to us by very bad people. Most of it is caused by toxic chemicals. And a (mostly imaginary) virus in a faraway country gets blamed for it. It's simple: Just look for a place where 5 birds have died. Then kill of a few million of them in the name of public health, and call it an epidemic.
It seems to me that there is a lot of harm done to us by very bad people. Most of it is caused by toxic chemicals. And a (mostly imaginary) virus in a faraway country gets blamed for it. It's simple: Just look for a place where 5 birds have died. Then kill of a few million of them in the name of public health, and call it an epidemic.
Just who are these Very Bad People? Where are they hiding or, more correctly, where are they meeting? Do they communicate by email or do they courier their dastardly plans via FedEx?
Glad to see someone still has some good common sense, Skepzilla. I agree w/you.
IF the Bird Flu does hit US Poultry or even if any wild birds are found with it here, and this is highly possible, even probable, I will no doubt stop eating chicken. Even eggs would be a concern, unfortunately. And I certainly wouldn't want to be raising them, or turkeys either.
But, I still say the likelihood of the involvement of from human to human is NOT going to happen. There are plenty of things to worry about these days, which are far more likely, than what took place in the Bird Flu program.
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