“If the bird flu thing is true or not, it is still a controversial health related issue that is forcing the hand of our government and governments around the world, regardless of the motivating factors seen or unseen.” Right on!
Yes you can call me a conspiracy nut. But just because someone is paranoid does not mean that no one is out to get them.
When you listen to the “official” explanations of events and then you look at the facts it is hard not to be paranoid. For example:
Kennedy “we’re told” was shot from behind and it blew the back of his head off and splattered his brains all over the back of the car. Of course from what we know about gunshot wounds “if he was shot from behind” then the bullet should have torn off the front of his face not the back of his head.
“We’re told” that McVeigh parked his rental truck in from of the Oklahoma federal building and detonated the explosives and virtually blew the entire front off of a well built building, yet across the street a cinderblock building is virtually unscathed. However this building was severely pock marked from flying debris. So if the force of the exploding truck bomb was blowing in the front of the federal building were did all this debris come from? “Perhaps” from the secondary explosions, blowing stuff out of it, that some claim to have heard?
“We’re told” that on flight 800 an empty fuel tank blew up into a huge ball of flame. The fact that the FBI has reports from almost 200 people that say they saw a “light” rise from the ocean and arc over towards the plane just before the explosion was somehow ignored it the official report.
“We’re told that the fuel from the two planes that flew into the twin towers melted the steel support columns which caused the buildings to collapse. But lets see jet fuel is just kerosene. When kerosene burns under ideal conditions it produces little smoke and about 1800 degrees of heat. We had lots of smoke, so no 1800-degree heat. To melt steal we need about 2800 degrees. Hmmm. Okay what if it just weakened the steel, what is the possibility that all the steel columns gave way simultaneously so that the top of the building could fall straight down, just like you see in movies of controlled demolition, rather then tipping over to one side and then falling? Of course not only were the conditions just right to allow this to happen, but it happened twice!! Oh yes and wasn’t it a fortunate piece of good luck that in all that rubble they managed to find the passport of one of the hijackers. Gee know we know who did it, case solved, you can go back to watching your soap opera.
Meanwhile over at the pentagon, a building with probable more security cameras then any other building, not a single picture of the plane has emerged. Even pictures of the wreckage do not show any large pieces, the fire consumed them all we are told. On the other hand parts of flight 93 were scattered all over a field.
Okay so this a health forum but does anyone really doubt that much of this applies equally well to the way many of our health organization operate? But aside from people who read health forums like this I wonder how many have the slightest clue as to what is going on. Of course I am convinced that this is part of the plan. If one has always been treated like a mushroom, and thinks that this normal, you cannot expect him know enough to complain.
Hopefully I can enlighten some mushrooms.
[What good fortune for government that people do not think.]
The soapbox is now available to whoever what’s it.
Mad Scientist, do you realize what a huge--no, mind-bogglingly monumental--effort it would take to coordinate a lie, among governments the world over, to create a fake bird flu pandemic? Taking into account the language barrier and the differences in philosophy and creed between nations, how in the WORLD are you going to get scientists and medical personnel the world over to agree to a conspiracy about the bird flu, INCLUDING compelling several nations to decimate their food supply by eradicating millions--make that billions--of fowl?
I can see perhaps a political conspiracy involving a few people, but the scope and breadth of a conspiracy linked to a worldwide pandemic practically guarantees that such a conspiracy could not be kept intact. The odds are so against such intense and complete cooperation among nations that I have no problem summarily dismissing the conspiracy theory about the bird flu, even while I think conspiracies are quite possible in other matters.
I can really find myself in the comments by Jack Pine and Mad Scientest (sic)
This government you're "enjoying" at present is not your friend. And by relying on it to take the proper measures to guard your health in case of a serious epidemic, you're delivering yourself to the enemy.
This government simply cannot get its act together. As Ruby reported, Mike Levitt held a speech on Apr. 10th., encouraging people to prepare for the coming disaster. Two days later, on the 12th., Tony Fauci told us that this bird flu probably won't be a big deal after all, and recommended not to panic. That's typical. They don't know what to do, because they don't really care. The motives are purely economical. All the Tamiflu has been sold by now, so who cares what happens? Not your government. What did they do for you at the time of hurricane Katrina? Nothing. But reinforcing dikes and levees costs money, while selling Tamiflu brings in money.
I have explained that the change of an animal virus to a form that is transmitted from human to human is an accumulation of very rare events.
If pandemics had never occurred before, I'd agree that the possibility would be infinitesimal, but they have occurred before, with disastrous results.
Well, a mathematician would reply that the integral of an infinitesimal quantity dx would be a finite, measurable quantity x. I have not claimed a bird-to-human flu epidemic is impossible, but just that the probability of it happening is extremely small. And if you want to prepare for that small possibility, who am I to tell you you shouldn't?
We are being told some things that are virologically incompatible, though:
To make this conversion possible, they assume a high mutation rate for the bird virus. Well, OK, flu viruses do mutate, and send us a new strain every year... But then they have the nerve to mention a vaccine!
Well now, I guess all of you know that making a vaccine against a new infection threat takes about a year. So if this virus really mutates fast, the vaccine will already be outdated when it appears on the market. So all this talk about a vaccine is nonsense. But... if they really come up with one, it won't do you any good. But they won't tell you that, and as I sample the mood, most of you would take it. Cash register!!
Ruby also mentioned SARS:
The reason that SARS didn't turn into a full blown world wide pandemic is that authorities worked diligently to keep it contained.
Oh, great! Now they're even taking credit for a failed scam. The whole swindle of "SARS" was built upon a few symptoms that are so general that everybody with any ailment of the respiratory system has them. But for SARS it was claimed that it was caused by a Coronavirus. It so happens that coronaviruses do exist. You can find them in almost every human body, and they are not known to do any harm. Our body contains lots of such viruses that never cause any trouble.
But the SARS hoax failed, just like Ebola and West-Nile. But the virus scaremongers kept on trying. And now, with bird flu, they finally seem to have a winner. People really believe in it, and that's easier to do because we are used to an annually returning flu season.
Well, if the flu hits you this year, don't panic. Yes, you will feel lousy for a couple of weeks (maximum). But it won't be a special chicken version, and it will pass.
Just to scare you a little more, a comparison with 1918 is often thrown in.
But the circumstances are now quite different from 1918. At that time, WW I had just ended. Poison gases had been used a lot in that war. and lots of people got exposed to it. Apart from doing their own damage, these toxic gases also make you more vulnerable to infectious agents such as viruses and bacteria. None of my relatives died of the 1918 flu.
Ruby made a suggestion that makes a lot of sense to me:
In various narratives about the 1918 pandemic, it was reported that those who isolated themselves survived.
Very good idea! If something infectuous is out there, avoid gatherings of people. I'm not scared at all of this possible epidemic. But during the flu season, when many people are getting sick, I don't go to the theater or to jazz or rock concerts, and I don't ride the streetcar or the subway. And for the rest: I have an immune system I politely address as "Sir".
I can see perhaps a political conspiracy involving a few people, but the scope and breadth of a conspiracy linked to a worldwide pandemic practically guarantees that such a conspiracy could not be kept intact.
Ah, but you're underestimating the power of your government, Ruby. They don't have to conspire with other countries. All they have to do is bully them.
Besides, they won't keep up this scam long. Only until all the Tamiflu has been sold. If no pandemic occurs, then they will simply claim credit for it, and scare us with a new virus a couple of months later.
I have read, repeatedly, that the flu bug is changing and mutating constantly and that is the reason the vaccine must be updated each year, and that the updated version is always outdated to some extent, because the virus has already mutated some more.
That part is correct, Jabbo.
I've also read, repeatedly, that the new flu bug always has it's genesis in asia because it incubates in the farm animals and jumps to humans, year in and year out.
No, I can't go along with that. Viruses are species-dependent. They don't just jump from farm animals to humans and vice versa. The surface protein of a virus must "recognize" the surface of the cell it's trying to infect, otherwise infection will fail. If these new strains of the virus always originate in Asia, that may be because there are more people there.
Yes Rudy: I believe I know what it would take to create a fake pandemic. While I admit that I do not trust government, STILL most government employees are honest hard working people who are just doing their job. But like the old computer adage “garbage in - garbage out” it only takes a few bad apples to input bad information and then just let it run its course. Therefore I would not be surprised to find a government employee who honestly believes that he is doing a good thing by ordering a million doses of vaccine of which he knows nothing about but has been told will save lives.
The point being you do not need to get all scientists and medical personnel the world over to agree to a conspiracy, all that is needed is to get some of them to agree that there might be a problem and we should do something. Who will disagree that it better to be safe than sorry? Now if it turns out that we really need a vaccine how can we say it will be “Tamiflu” when we still do not know what the finial virus will look like? Or will the pharmaceutical companies say, ”Oh sorry this one will not work, but just give as a few more million dollars more and we will try again.”
Personally, I don't think the actual Bird Flu is part of any conspiracy theory - it's real and viable. BUT, the hype by Gov. and others may well be, and it's important not to get pulled in by it, by excessive fear or by passing on info you have no way of know whether it's true or not.
My own preparation is in keeping plenty of all the items I consider necessary for my well being - just in case - Am presently stocking up on TTissue, paper towels, canned foods/fish, Postage Stamps - Utility companies w/have to be paid. :wink:
With gasoline going up daily/weekly, this may eventually save on gas costs too. Plus, with the prices of everything rising due to gas costs, the sooner I get it done, the better.
May you always have..Love to Share, Health to Spare, and Friends that Care!
Thanks for the recommendations, Ruby. The only item I have reservations about is the latex gloves. They have been known to give rise to serious allergies.
I feel very positive toward the Vitamin C and the Coconut oil. But even the face masks may come in handy. NOT as protection against bird flu (or any kind of flu), but against the photochemical smog that occurs frequently in California. These face masks are used a lot in Japan, where many people live on a relatively limited stretch of real estate, and where industry causes serious air pollution.