No ive never had any lower back pain.. but thats def. a common symptom. I have had sharp twinges of pain in my rectal/prostate area though.

Did you know that Jaw tension and pelvic tension are related.. a tense jaw can cause a tense pelvis and vice/versa.. may or may not play a role.

One piece of advice I have is.. dont get too lost in trying to figure out EXACTLY what happened to you etc.. I did that for a long time, it will drive you crazy. instead focus on being as healthy as you can be now and you will see a lot more results. You cant change the past.. but you can control this moment.

Do you all think stress really contribute to gray hair......I ask cause since I been stressing about my prostatitis I have been getting more grays. The thing that bothers most is I have had this condition since 2003 and my symptoms are not as bad as they have been in the past but for some reason Im stressing far more than I used to. For years I walked around all day every day feeling like I have to pee but when I went to go I would have a hard time passing urine I dont have that feeling nearly as much ( I do still have pelvis pain) but now it stays on my mind unless Im really into somthing that can hold my thoughts...its crazy!!!

P.S I dont mind going grey I have never had a problem with getting older I actually like my greys and the fact that Im getting older I just feel like my mind is getting weaker Like I said I have been living with this condition for years and have never let it get to me now I cant get it out of my head

Thanks moxum

Im reading a book right now called Healing Back Pain by Dr. John Sarno.. his theory is basically that most cases of back pain and many other symptoms/afflictions in the body are caused by repressed emotions. Basically, many of us are "type A" personalities.. perfectionists, people pleasers, dont know when to take a break etc... and various other issues that lead to subconsious anger/fear/anxiety/frustration and when we dont have an outlet for it, the body creates symptoms to distract us from our own issues. He lists prostatitis as a condition related to this cycle of events.

Me personally, I went through a period of very intense psychological stress/anxiety/depression in the months preceeding me developing prostatitis.. I know this is a common experience for many men with these symptoms. Also, as we all know, men are already so focused on our anatomy down there, maybe we are subconsiously directing negative energy towards it.. I certainly think when we worry and obcess over a particular body part or function is disrupts the natural flow in that area..

Thats kind of an out there theory but I believe it plays a role.. Dont sentence yourself to having "prostatitis" as if it were some disease or condition.. its not, it is simply a set of symptoms and nothing more. Western medicine loves to lable symptoms as diseases because then they can say they dont have a cure.. instead of understanding why the symptoms arise in the first place..

Prostatitis causes:
- Anxiety/Anger/Frustration repressed emotions
- Too much sex/too little sex
- Diet
- Lifestyle (not enough sleep, sitting all day, etc.)

What do all think of the book headache in the pelvis? Im trying to read it but it is really boring

Its useful.. probably not the whole story but a lot of it is true and worth looking into.. Theres no doubt the pelvic muscles get tense / tight and one cause is emotional issues.. there are other causes too..

I was turned off from it when I found a prostatitis forum that was obvouisly fake with every post and testimonial pointing to that book. I believe proper stretching and all that jazz is needed for optimal health anywhere in the body. I don't believe it alone is a cure for what we call prostatitis, but can definitely help with the healing. I just took my first yoga class yesterday, and felt better just after taking it. I have been doing acutpunture once a week wich I think is hleping. I have also been experimenting with iodine supplementation. I'll let you guys know if I make any real break throughs, but since starting iodine, all of the thick white crap on my tounge has disapeared. Still got some thin white stuff on the sides, but its way better than before. Just got my lugol's solution today, and I got straigh SSKI (super saturated potassium Iodide) on the way. Once that is here I am going to start doing so higher doses.

hey jofus, what do you think the white stuff is? and are you treating yourself for fungus? i am and i am doing very well. i see a uro tomorrow and am wondering for the first time why bother. i will go anyway and listen to most likely more bs. i have cut down on mms but still do 8 drops in the morning. i have added folic acid, biotin, ammino acids malic acid, fivelac, other probiotics and copper since my hair sample showed way low in copper.

i too do acupuncture and have recently done it with electro charge. i am concentrating on liver gall bladder and spleen. the last session was great. my guy gave me pills called liu wei dihuang wan. they are for YIN. it is said that liver blockages in the liver channels can give us this problem. anger, stress, depression, fear and anxiety are all stored in the liver. i am gearing up for a liver cleanse in a few days (thats why the malic acid) anyway i dont know if it was the last acupuncture session or the YIN pills but i am leaning toward the YIN pills almost over night. i know i had all of the issues mentioned and am trying not to be stressed angry and depressed. anyway i have read on YIN and thats a interesting look and correlates to MOXUMS last post and a lot of what i have been reading.

however i have nothad anything sweet in all most 2 months now. no fruit at all. just meats and green veggies. that combined with the mms i believe have given me circulation down in the unit and nuts and almost zero clear fluid coming from the prostate when i pee. i can still get some when i do the ego checking prostate massage.

jofus where can you get sski? how much? and it seems to fight candida, bacteria and viruses. do you know more?

Its tough to get right now because of the Japan nuclear deal, but I am working at a good supply. I am going to be taking both SSKI and Lugol's. Apperently your body needs both forms of iodine and pottasium iodide, you can just take a lot more of the potassium iodide. I figure max out on the Lugol's for your iodine and supplment the rest of potassium iodide you feel necesary.
It is suspose to be able to cure a lot of infection types as well as candida, so I figure why not give it a shot. I got some SSKI coming from a place called keaveys corner, you can google it, but it was $50 for 1 once worth. I think I can find the raw KI powder from a guy I know, but I'll elaborate more on that after I talk to him. As far as I know J.Crows Lugol's solution is still available on his site. With iodine you can feel worse before better and also it can take some time, there is a lot of reading about it to do.
As for what the white stuff on my tounge is, I'm not sure. It could be candida, I can't remmber if I had it there before my antibiotics courses or not. I haven't been as strict as you about not fruits or grains, but I have been mostly organic and very rarely anything processed.
As for going to the uro, I 'm done with them. My last visit he said I have spastic bladder muscles or something like that and wanted to give me muscle relaxants.

wow lol. i love how they come up with things and then they say no one really knows it is a mystery. ya spasms because something is causing the body to freak out. i know that all doctors look at me and say you are way too healthy to have candida but cant prove i dont have it. i am not saying i do but i fail the spit test and the measures i am talking are working. i went from agony to living again. mms helped a lot. i believe there is blockages in my lower region. kegels help. lugols stuff looks interesting too.

anyway i have this white phlegm in the mornings that i can remember being a apart of the cipro symptoms. i got this into my cipro tour. it is worse when i over do it on fivelac. i hack up some white phlegm too. then its gone till the next morning.

i am waiting for syntol to come in the mail. its hung up in customs that is another good prebiotic and probiotic for fungal and said to be for systemic as well.

there is a zainy guy on youtube that talks about beating candida for good. he is under candida cure there is part 1 p2 p3 p4. he is on the ball. i am following his method and others but he expains it well. no sugar at all. 4 months and we are clean 2 months just diet to weaken it then 2 months diet and fivelac and syntol. i will go on the fivelac for a little longer. i read stuff bashing threelac and fivelac, one stating that threelac caused antibacterial resistant uti's. but too many people claim it is the real deal. without the diet the candida is only suppressed. deit and syntol fivelac it is beat then stepped on type of thing. i use mms and when i do i feel better and the blood flow is working better to all parts of the body and my p feels much better.

thanks for the reply and do you know a good supply for lugol's in canada?

I gots mine Lugol's up to Canada from J.Crow. But if your in Canada and can hang tight a few days, I happened to find a supplier for the raw KI granular form. Its easy to make SSKI, all you have to do is add purified water until all but the last granual has dissolved and presto Super Saturated Potassium Iodine.
I found I can get a lot of these chemicals and such as the sister company to the one I work for is in the water treatment biz. We got accounts at all kinds of chemical dealers. Unfortunetaly the price on the KI granuals has gone up do to with the nuclear stuff going on in Japan, but this is still the cheaper way to go as opposed to ordering from any of the other places out there, specially seeing as many of them have raised there prices as well.
I will let you know when I get it in, I am just filling out the paper work as I type ( I guess any jo blow of the street can't buy this in any kind of quantity.
Have you checked out this link
https://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
it gives you some basics on iodine, the more I research this stuff, the more I am liking it.

thanks jofus. i will take anything to knock this out forever.

hey have you been losing hair and not from stress..... or anybody else with cp? i know it is not stress but a constant thinning. i think it is related some way or another.

well Gents, i just had a great apt with a knowledgable uro finally. he is of east indian decent and he is younger than most. i believe two things to look for.

he believed me and agrees with yeast fungus and candida causing chronic prostatitis. he believes that is what happened to me with 8 weeks of cipro. he believes the prostate was infected through the urethra. abx might have caused an anti inflammatory response twice before or that the first two none painfull bouts of p may have been a bacteria or fungus but now the long courses of abx have put me and my digestive tract in this state.

good news?? well at least reaffirming that i have to keep going in the direction that is working and that "that" is the real big clue. he said i may achieve a low grade relief of symptoms that may need to be managed or perhaps hopefully completely cured. sad but true with fungus.

he is referring me to what he said is the leading doctor in the world for prostatitis who has a clinic in kingston onterio of all places. his name is dr nickles. his name has come up in countless studys and searches i have seen in the past. i can be part of a group helping or and a patient.

i hope this helps some people that just dont get any relief from doctors and their drugs and lack of knowledge. again it is a theory but now backed up not only by people in the know part of this site but by a urologist. try zero sugar zero grains zero simple carbs and probiotics with fungus fighters. i hope you improve and hopefully get cured from this.

oh and another thing he did agree that biking is very bad and termed "chemical prostatitis" never heard that before. but it is brought on by pressure on the prostate. bad news.

Yes I started experiencing hair thining leading up to this. This is why I believe that there is some conection between the prostate, adrenals, and the thyroid. The thyroid regulates hormones which directly influence your adrenals and your prostate. I also read somewhere that your prostate is the second body part that uses the most iodine, next to the thyroid. I link in the adrenal glands with the lower back/kidney pain that can come with prostatitis, as the adreanals are attached to the kidneys. This is why I like the iodine approach. Iodine helps thyroid function, it is needed by the prostate. It is used by our immune system and by all cells in the body. It is great as an anti-viral, anti-fungal, and anti-biotic. I have also read people getting results of hair regrowth after using it for a while. Hair problems, adreanal problems, and prostate problems all lead to hormone problems, wich lead to perhaps thyroid problems wich are also shown to be linked with immune problems. Also candida may just be another symptom, if your thyroid and adrenals are not functioning properly, your immune system is not either, leaving your body unable to keep the candida in check. Just remember if you start Iodine supplementing to make sure to research the companion supplements that you should take with. I am taking selenium 200mcg/day, vit c 6-4g/day, vit d 3 5000iu/day, magnesium 400-600mg/day.

BTW my supply of KI fell through because I wrote on the sheet that I was using it for a dietery supplment, and the sales rep told me the had been specificaly instructed not to sell it to anyone using it for that purpose, even though it was ACS grade wich is the most pure grade, even mor so then USP (which is pharma grade). Something fishy with that seeing as it is specificly used for supplementing in the case of radioactive fall out. Perhaps all the awareness of iodide supplementation has got the elite worried that people may start to feel good and come out of the brain fog that most of us are currently in.
Anyway I found another source and should be on its way, I also found elemental iodine, so I can actually make a Lugol's solution.

hmm, i got to get some... wonder if it will compliment the mms.. i am doing so much better. i know the diet is something that will stay for a long time but man summer is almost here and i am dying for a pint sometime in this life again.

the hair loss really bothers me and it fell out like crazy late in the cipro run and when i got real sick. but it started slowly thinning around my first bout of prostate issues with low libido like over night.

if iodine can regrow last hair i am already in. if it can kill invades im totally in. so i will check out you supplier tomorrow. thanks jofus..