Have a look a this guys....

https://www.prostatitis.org/worthyprogress.html

Most people don't believe me when I tell them this and think I'm nuts. But I'm being very honest here. I don't usually even talk about it because people think I'm lying and had 2 urologists look at me like i was crazy. I bought some whey protein powder from walmart . And drunk it about 30 minutes after words my skin started burning and my back started hurting like i had a kidney infection.
I took cipro for 7 days and it knocked it out. I thought maybe its just the cheap ol walmart crap. so i bought name brand optimum nutrition and it done the same thing to skin burning back hurting. started taking cipro and it got rid of it again. next I was reading on a bodybuilding forum about men discussing that they were drinking protein powder and could not pee. one guy tells the others I bet its your prostate and your getting prostatitis . he says the same thing happen to me what you need to do is keep drinking the protein powder and your bodies will get used to it

so thats what i started doing kept drinking the protein powder. and done something dumb I drunk the powder while taking cipro so cipro stopped working ......... I keep thinking its an infection. but no infection found in urine. pus cells found in prostate fluid but no bacteria. last shot i got knocked out some symptoms and they never came back got rid of my stabbing anal pain and i can pee good now aint got to shake it, because usually cant get all the urine out and have to contract mucles in my penis to push the water out. some thing with ejaculation all the ejaculate wouldnt come out would have to contract penis to push ejaculate out. so that last shot i had got rid of stabbing anal pain I could also feel the prostate throb when the pains come out i could feel it throbbing up in my a$$..... so shot knocked out symptoms that never came back.

I did try something though I bought me some whey protein powder it had no artificial sweetners or any kind of energy crap in it. just plain bland protein powder. I drunk it first thing I noticed was my skin did not burn like the others drunk. It did irritate the prostate a little bit but not as bad as the others..... may have been those damn artificial sweetners . I know aspartame bothers my dads heart.

according to a website

the following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting of aspartame: Brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, fibromyalgia, and diabetes.

don't know where the label is to the body fortress protein powder but it had a bunch of different artificial sweetners one of which had something to do with insect spray . not joking either)

so I don't what the hell it did to me. all i know antibiotics do seem to have some effect. though now its hard to find anything that will touch it

my story is different than everybody else . I usually don't even tell it cause people never believe it

my dad had a similar problem with cold medicine pseudoephedrine when ever he would take it his prostate would swell and he could barley pee and his back would start hurting and testicles.

he'd go to his family doctor they'd say you have prostatitis and put him on cipro for 10 days and then
the prostatitis would go away with the cipro. how do i know the pseudoephedrine because he took it again 2 different times after word. I told him first time but it was those cold pills. he said not possible...
he took them again couple months later and woke up again with prostatitis more cipro from his doc.
of course he still said its not those damn cold pills. even when i told him yes it is you done it twice.
he ended up taking the same cold medicine pseudoephedrine again the third time and again wakes up the next morning with prostatitis again another trip to doctor 10 days cipro. he then grabs his cold pills and i said what are you doing with them. he says im throwing that sh*t out. so anyways pseudoephedrine would cause him
prostate troubles.

I can remember when i was younger taking diet pills with ephedra in them and getting a bladder infection.
I probably had 5 or 6 bladder infections in the course of 5 or 6 months. then it hit me every time i start taking ephedra is when i get the bladder infection. maybe it was causing some kind of an allergic reaction that inflammed the bladder then the inflammation sparked some kind of an infection ....dunno

for the last 5 or 6 days i have been eating very bland food and the prostatitis calmed down a bit.
last night i ate some vegetable soup and it about killed me about an hour after eating it my back started
started burning and my a$$ hole felt like it was on fire. I can't eat ant think spicy including anything with tomatoes in it. went to get a hair cut earlier and the barber had me run down the street and get him coke and a burrito from the mexican place. all i could think of walking back is how good that burrito smelled and how i just wanted to drink that soda cause i can't eat or drink anything anymore with out it making it worse....

see when i was on cephalexin i could eat home made chilli, tacos , burritos and drink pepsi ,coke, dr pepper
it was working till i had to get off of it and now it no longer works. if i ever get over this prostatitis I'm celebrating
I'm going back to that same dang mexican restaurant and I'm orderingme a burrito and a taco and some pepsi and some salsa ........ have lost 12 lbs in the last 2 weeks cause haven't ate nothing but plain ham sandwiches,
plain turkey sandwiches, chicken noodle soup , crackers , pretzels or plain fritos and to drink tap water.
thats about all i can eat ..milk makes it worse, soda makes it worse , fried foods make it worse,spicy foods make it worse , chocolate makes it worse, even peanut butter bothers me

Yes it is my friend have you had any sensitive cultures to see what drug works best?

By the way, whey protein contains something called Lactoferrin which is around 1% of whey concentrate. This is part of the innate immune system and basically prevents biiofilms from forming. It's also directly antibacterial. Lactoferrin from whey is also synergistic with many antibiotics.

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/...ort_lacto.html

Antimicrobial effects

Probably lactoferrin’s best known role is as an iron binding protein. It’s referred to as hololactoferrin in its iron bound form and apolactoferrin in its iron depleted form. Studies have found that it is the apolactoferrin form that has the most powerful effects as an antimicrobial agent.

Lactoferrin is a powerful antimicrobial able to inhibit a wide range of pathogenic bacteria and other microbes. The mechanism appears to lie with lactoferrin’s ability to bind iron, as it’s known to have an extremely high affinity for this metal. Many pathogenic bacteria need a supply of free iron to multiply and in the presence of lactoferrin are strongly inhibited or killed. One study added lactoferrin to the drinking water of mice and subjected them to the toxic microbe called staphylococcal. The study found that the mice getting the lactoferrin as 2% of calories reduced kidney infections by 40% to 60%, and reduced bacterial counts 5-to-12 fold. They concluded, “The results suggest a potential for the use of lactoferrin as natural anti-bacterial proteins for preventing bacterial infections.”

The whey protein also stimulates the immune system quite well. Maybe the whey disturbed an infection by boosting your immunity. It's a long shot though and probably this wasn't the case. Although my prostatitis started about 2 months after I took trimethoprim for something else. I think it disturbed an infection that was already there. I doubt it was a coincidence.

A bovine whey protein extract can enhance innate immunity by priming normal human blood neutrophils.

Rusu D, Drouin R, Pouliot Y, Gauthier S, Poubelle PE.
Source

Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Centre de Recherche en Rhumatologie et Immunologie, Centre de Recherche du Centre Hospitalier de I'Universite Laval, Qu�bec, Canada.

Abstract

Bovine milk-derived products, in particular whey proteins, exhibit beneficial properties for human health, including the acquired immune response. However, their effects on innate immunity have received little attention. Neutrophils are key cells of innate defenses through their primary functions of chemotaxis, phagocytosis, oxidative burst, and degranulation. A whey protein extract (WPE) purified from bovine lactoserum was evaluated for its direct and indirect effects on these primary functions of normal human blood neutrophils in vitro. Although WPE had no direct effects on primary functions, a 24-h pretreatment of neutrophils with WPE was associated with a significant and dose-dependent increase of their chemotaxis, superoxide production, and degranulation in response to N-formyl-methionine-leucine-phenylalanine, as well as of their phagocytosis of bioparticles. The pretreatment increased the surface expression of CD11b, CD16B, and CD32A receptors. The major WPE protein components beta-lactoglobulin (beta-LG) and alpha-lactalbumin (alpha-LA) were the main active fractions having an additive effect on human neutrophils that became more responsive to a subsequent stimulation. This effect on NADPH oxidase activity was associated with translocation of p47(phox) to plasma membrane. Glycomacropeptide, a peptide present in measurable amounts in WPE products, was able to enhance the individual effect of beta-LG or alpha-LA on neutrophils. The present data suggest that WPE, through beta-LG and alpha-LA, has the capacity to enhance or "prime" human neutrophil responses to a subsequent stimulation, an effect that could be associated with increased innate defenses in vivo.

sensitive culture ? first time got prostate massage then was made to pee in cup and it was sent to lab to be cultured no bacteria found. then 3rd time at doctors prostate massage done then prostate fluid sent to lab to be cultured.
no bacteria found..he found pus cells both times but no bacteria grown in culture

that what you mean by sensitive culture ?

A couple of times I had a prostate massage under a general anesthetic and they tested my fliuid to see wich abx worked best,so they said.

one guys story of prostatitis hell

https://www.chronicprostatitis.com/cautionary_tale.html

Wow thats quite the story. Man I feel sorry for the guy. But it just shows you that doctors don't have a clue what to do or how to treat it. And they are supposed to be the experts.

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Doctors give drugs of which they know little,
into bodies, of which they know less,
for diseases of which they know nothing at all.
Voltaire

I've been following this thread closely as I was also a member of the old forum.
I'm taking doxy for 28days, and then will switch to Bactrim. (I'm on the 14th day of doxy and nothing special to report so far, some days better others worse.)
Doctor prescribed me this because last time (finally!) bacteria showed up in the prostatic culture: E. Coli and Enterococcus Spp.
I refused quinolones this time because it caused me tendinopathies last time around Still living with those.

Anyway, I've been taking allicin and quercetin with antibiotic. Perhaps it exarcebates symptoms a little but nothing much to report on those.
I was expecting to feel better by now on doxy, but if on the 28th I'm still like this, I'll switch to Bactrim then, and add brocoli treatment. I think if bactrim fails after doctor is going to have to give another antibiotic intramuscularly (I believe Rocephin).

Thanks for your help 'iwillbecured'. I've read your posts in different forums and it has given me a lot of hope.

I have had good results with the flagyl but doc wont give me a long strong dose...What should I do...instead he gave me sulfamethox/TMP 800/160 ds tablet What do you all think about this antibioctic

I think most of us have probably read that story. I'm glad I never ended up like him :/

To hopy4days. The supplements will likely make symptoms worse. That's the point. If you need an explanation on that just read through the 2 large prostatitis threads. Symptom relief close to 100% wont really come until 10-12 weeks. Even if the bacteria are cleared by 4 weeks, your prostate needs a long time to heal. Nothing much will speed this up. Maybe bromelain and arginine might a little. Plus any other natural anti inflammatory supplements you might be taking.

wanted to share this before but after cleaning out my favourites I came across it

"In no case was relapse or failure associated
with a significant change in sensitivity of the organism to either
TMP or SMX."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...01525-0023.pdf

my cultures always come back clear...... so is there infection?? IWBC did you have positive cultures if so what was the bacteria .. just last week I had urine culture and a psa or whatever the blood test is called everything was normal Im at a lost I thought I was on my way after I had taken the flagyl but now I don't know

Many strains of gram negative microorganisms are immune tetracycline.
as well as many strains of gram positive microorganisms....

But if it was cultured then the sensitivity I'm guessing showed doxycycline was effective. Enterococcus is a gram positive organism and ecoli is gram negative....so you have a gram negative organism and a gram positive organism ....

Enterococcus is going to be almost impossible to kill because it is immune to about everything.

some strains of Enterococcus can be killed by bactrim but not all strains.

and the one drug of choice that would wipe them all out is the drug you do not want to take and that is quinolone.

have you ever personally had a problem with quinolones ?
I myself have never had a problem with them accept for levaquin which a did have a little bit of side effects .......

you may have to end up making a choice either quinolones or end up with prostatitis for life.

I will give you a bit of advice ciprofloaxcin which some people on this forum are hell bent against is probably the quinolone with the least side effects and levaquin would be the one with the most side effects.

But again if they did a culture than bactrim should work for you. that is the one medicine that I'm allergic to. by the way give the bactrim some time to work if it doesnt work in say 10 days dont throw it in the trash and say im done with it..... take it the entire 4 weeks iwillbecured recommends ate least 8 weeks....

But like I stated I don't think doxy will help with this. even if it is one of the ecoli strains doxy hits, I'm almost certain doxy can not touch Enterococcus at all ..but the bactrim would stand a good chance at knocking both organisms out.

by the way which quinolone was it that caused you tendinopathy ?

Oh I need to add this in before i forget ......... you said give you another rocephin shot ?

so how many have you had so far of rocephin ? did the shot before help any at all ?
I need to also warn you ..by spacing shots out your infection could end up growing immune to rocephin.
so antibiotics work in a domino effect. one domino knocks of another and another. lets say you have a medicine working for you lets say a pill , lets say the pill will take 6 weeks to kill ur infections and you start taking this pill and its working for you. you can feel the effects and you are on the 2nd week and all of a sudden you stop taking the antibiotic for some reason and you let some time pass and try it again the infection will be more immune to those pills the second go around. see each time you take something that works then stop that antibiotic and try it again the infection gets a little more used to the antibiotic and eventually the strain or organism can become completely immune to the antibiotic altogether.

so be careful of this.... if the rocephin shot works good for you and you can afford it. you could ask the doctor if
you could do a therapy of shots and come in mon-friday for just a shot. urologists some times do this. you wont be paying for an office visit just the shot......it might help you just an idea

rocephin should help with ecoli but I must warn you now rocephin is a cephalosporin

Some enterococci are intrinsically resistant to β-lactam-based antibiotics (some penicllins and virtually all cephalosporins) as well as many aminoglycosides

your case may be a tough one to beat. just stick with your doctor it may take a while for you to get rid of this
because both of these organisms are very hard to kill

Enteroccocus is sensitive to allicin. So take a lot of it if you can. I also have a theory that taking Allicin might help show up a positive culture for those that haven't previously. This is because the allicin attacks the biofilm by inhibiting quorum sensing. The white blood cells enter the biofilm and bacteria escape, sometimes in very large numbers which causes an immune reaction. 4 weeks after allicin you might want to take a test to check. Just an idea, but theoretically it makes sense.

My friend who I talk to for years also had prostatitis but has beaten it. He also had enteroccoci and couldn't take a quinolone.

Combination supplements with an antibiotic makes it more likely you'll cure this infection. Following on with a different antibiotic after the first helps by killing cells that were more persistent to that treatment. Again, symptoms for me got worse at least 2-3 times during therapy, after each flare up the symptoms were much better!!! It was only after around 10-12 weeks that there was a feeling of being cured, and living a normal life. 3 months of doxy at 200mg per day and followed by trimethopriom for a few weeks. 2-4 weeks. Longer if you can. I think it's probably worth it if you'rer esponding well. Doxy took most of my symptoms away by itself, the rest that remained were taken care of by trimethoprim. Where I could go very long periods, like 5-6 hours without needing to pee. This happened after switching antibiotics. I think that all the supplements I mentioned are very useful to combine with antibiotics. Each are important for their own reasons. Don't leave them out.

I'll repeat it one more time. My symptoms were WORSE at 4 weeks than they were at the start. Periodic flare ups are always part of the treatment. With every flare up comes damage, which requires time to heal. No matter if bacteria are present or not.