Department of Urology, Kinki University School of Medicine.
Abstract
Treatment of chronic prostatitis is difficult and many antimicrobial drugs have been tried. Although these drugs showed good permeability into prostatic fluid in experimental studies, they have limited value in clinical use and development of more effective drugs has been anticipated. A study was performed on the effect of Hachimi-ji-ji-oh-gan, a traditional Chinese medicine, for the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Symptoms were improved in 53% of the patients treated with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim alone for two weeks and in 84% of those treated with Hachimi-ji-oh-gan in addition to sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim for two weeks. Since Hachimi-ji-oh-gan has no antimicrobial effect, the drug may change the characteristics of the prostatic tissue or prostatic fluid providing a favorable condition for antimicrobial agents to penetrate into the prostatic fluid. Further examination is necessary to disclose the machanism of Hachimi-ji-oh-gan on the effect of prostatitis.
[Combined treatment of chronic prostatitis with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim and hachimi-ji-oh-gan].
Department of Urology, Kinki University School of Medicine.
Abstract
Treatment of chronic prostatitis is difficult and many antimicrobial drugs have been tried. Although these drugs showed good permeability into prostatic fluid in experimental studies, they have limited value in clinical use and development of more effective drugs has been anticipated. A study was performed on the effect of Hachimi-ji-ji-oh-gan, a traditional Chinese medicine, for the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Symptoms were improved in 53% of the patients treated with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim alone for two weeks and in 84% of those treated with Hachimi-ji-oh-gan in addition to sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim for two weeks. Since Hachimi-ji-oh-gan has no antimicrobial effect, the drug may change the characteristics of the prostatic tissue or prostatic fluid providing a favorable condition for antimicrobial agents to penetrate into the prostatic fluid. Further examination is necessary to disclose the machanism of Hachimi-ji-oh-gan on the effect of prostatitis.
Department of Urology, Kinki University School of Medicine.
Abstract
Treatment of chronic prostatitis is difficult and many antimicrobial drugs have been tried. Although these drugs showed good permeability into prostatic fluid in experimental studies, they have limited value in clinical use and development of more effective drugs has been anticipated. A study was performed on the effect of Hachimi-ji-ji-oh-gan, a traditional Chinese medicine, for the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Symptoms were improved in 53% of the patients treated with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim alone for two weeks and in 84% of those treated with Hachimi-ji-oh-gan in addition to sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim for two weeks. Since Hachimi-ji-oh-gan has no antimicrobial effect, the drug may change the characteristics of the prostatic tissue or prostatic fluid providing a favorable condition for antimicrobial agents to penetrate into the prostatic fluid. Further examination is necessary to disclose the machanism of Hachimi-ji-oh-gan on the effect of prostatitis.
[Combined treatment of chronic prostatitis with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim and hachimi-ji-oh-gan].
Department of Urology, Kinki University School of Medicine.
Abstract
Treatment of chronic prostatitis is difficult and many antimicrobial drugs have been tried. Although these drugs showed good permeability into prostatic fluid in experimental studies, they have limited value in clinical use and development of more effective drugs has been anticipated. A study was performed on the effect of Hachimi-ji-ji-oh-gan, a traditional Chinese medicine, for the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Symptoms were improved in 53% of the patients treated with sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim alone for two weeks and in 84% of those treated with Hachimi-ji-oh-gan in addition to sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim for two weeks. Since Hachimi-ji-oh-gan has no antimicrobial effect, the drug may change the characteristics of the prostatic tissue or prostatic fluid providing a favorable condition for antimicrobial agents to penetrate into the prostatic fluid. Further examination is necessary to disclose the machanism of Hachimi-ji-oh-gan on the effect of prostatitis.
Hi Iwillbecured what dose of allicin was you taking with trim,I seem to be having a positive reaction.Cheers.
I was taking 10 capsules of allicin a day (but you prob only need around 4-6 a day spread by taking 2 at a time). I was taking 200mg of trim twice a day.
Heres a simple and fairly cheap regimen;
- Now Quercetin + bromelain 2 capsules 3 times a day on an empty stomach
- Trimethoprim 200mg twice a day
- Allicin 2 capsules 3 times per day with the quercetin
(if anyone here responds to doxycycline you could try doxy first, followed by trim)
Theoretical reasons for using two antibiotics would be: Normalisation of the prostate pH by controlling infection with doxy to reach higher levels of trimethoprim later on. Also wiping out any resistant organisms that doxy is not killing. One issue might be that with prostatitis there are various organisms, and it's a situation where you kill off one colony that are fairly easy, but dont kill of the persisters... and they start growing when antibiotic is stopped. But the other antibiotic might get the persister cells. Just an idea... It isn't that uncommon to cycle antibiotics in chronic infections.
Don't neglect to focus on stretching and relaxing your pelvic muscles too.
I was taking 10 capsules of allicin a day (but you prob only need around 4-6 a day spread by taking 2 at a time). I was taking 200mg of trim twice a day.
Heres a simple and fairly cheap regimen;
- Now Quercetin + bromelain 2 capsules 3 times a day on an empty stomach
- Trimethoprim 200mg twice a day
- Allicin 2 capsules 3 times per day with the quercetin
(if anyone here responds to doxycycline you could try doxy first, followed by trim)
Theoretical reasons for using two antibiotics would be: Normalisation of the prostate pH by controlling infection with doxy to reach higher levels of trimethoprim later on. Also wiping out any resistant organisms that doxy is not killing. One issue might be that with prostatitis there are various organisms, and it's a situation where you kill off one colony that are fairly easy, but dont kill of the persisters... and they start growing when antibiotic is stopped. But the other antibiotic might get the persister cells. Just an idea... It isn't that uncommon to cycle antibiotics in chronic infections.
Don't neglect to focus on stretching and relaxing your pelvic muscles too.
I got nothing from doxy but the trim is working with other things.My gp only gave me a dose of 100mg a day for 100 days.I have doubled that to 100mg twice a day andf it seems to be working.
Thanks for you reply...
So he's given you long term suppressive therapy. Could work... though I would have asked for at least a 2-4 weeks full dose of 400mg per day then maybe lowering the dose to 100mg per day. I was on 100mg per day for a long time, it worked really well to suppress symptoms so I could lead a normal life Maybe with the other things it could be enough to cure the infection. I don't know...
So he's given you long term suppressive therapy. Could work... though I would have asked for at least a 2-4 weeks full dose of 400mg per day then maybe lowering the dose to 100mg per day. I was on 100mg per day for a long time, it worked really well to suppress symptoms so I could lead a normal life Maybe with the other things it could be enough to cure the infection. I don't know...
what symptoms are getting better for you so far?
You can tell when an antibiotic is working I have had that many lol.The allicin seems to be working with it also things seem to get better at times but then it flares up again I take a dose and then it calms it down.
I have doubled the dose to 100mg twice a day I cant see him giving that much I will try see what happens.
Did you do any massage therapy at all?
No I didn't... I found that using a hot water bottle and holding it against the perinium helped a lot. :-) You can buy them real cheap.... just wrap something around it like a tea cloth if it's too hot. Trust me it helps a LOT!!! lol. Much easier than taking a bath... ;p you can hold it there while sitting/laying down o the couch or whatever.
The quercetin and the bromelain will help the prostate drain. You might notice a spike in symptoms for a few days followed by yellow semen as this happens.
No I didn't... I found that using a hot water bottle and holding it against the perinium helped a lot. :-) You can buy them real cheap.... just wrap something around it like a tea cloth if it's too hot. Trust me it helps a LOT!!! lol. Much easier than taking a bath... ;p you can hold it there while sitting/laying down o the couch or whatever.
what are you taking? Just the allicin and trim?
Allicin, Trim,Quercetin,Bromelain and probiotic yog.
Massages are helping me a lot I had a lot of inflamation in my pelvis and has gone down a lot.
I get a lot of prostate pressure as well as pain and it helps.
I was on flagyl 250mg three pills a day for seven days I really hope this is over but I don't know....I have never had pain in my penis no discharge I never had pain in my rectum my problem has always been problem passing urine (feeling as if I really have to go and can't get it out) pain in my lower abs( between my pubic hairs and my belly button) pain in my lower back and my erection does not get all the way hard I mean he gets up but not sticking straight out and when I turn my body to hard to the right my left nut hurts (like if I'm parallel parking and I'm looking back over my right ) my stomach often makes strange sounds kinda like a growling sound sometimes if I push on my stomach it well make this sound and I can feel it bubbleing under my fingers I never had a problem sleeping trough the night but I do normaly have to get up early in the morning and pee I do have drizzle after I pee I can shake forever but when I walk away drip drip my symtoms seem to bother me more when I'm standing...... Has anyone here had these type of symptoms??
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I was on flagyl 250mg three pills a day for seven days I really hope this is over but I don't know....I have never had pain in my penis I never had pain in my rectum my problem has always been problem passing urine (feeling as if I really have to go and can't get it out) pain in my lower abs( between my pubic hairs and my belly button) pain in my lower back and my erection does not get all the way hard I mean he gets up but not sticking straight out and when I turn my body to hard to the right my left nut hurts (like if I'm parallel parking and I'm looking back over my right ) I never had a problem sleeping trough the night but I do normaly have to get up early in the morning and pee my symtoms seem to bother me more when I'm standing
I hope so to for you .I wish I could give you advice but all I can do is post my progress on this thread everybody is so different.
iwiilbecured so are you cured right now today I thought I was but the last few days have me wondering I have been having slight symptoms not as heavy but I notice something is not right Im so sick and tired of being sick and tired..... you dig
I was on flagyl 250mg three pills a day for seven days I really hope this is over but I don't know....I have never had pain in my penis no discharge I never had pain in my rectum my problem has always been problem passing urine (feeling as if I really have to go and can't get it out) pain in my lower abs( between my pubic hairs and my belly button) pain in my lower back and my erection does not get all the way hard I mean he gets up but not sticking straight out and when I turn my body to hard to the right my left nut hurts (like if I'm parallel parking and I'm looking back over my right ) my stomach often makes strange sounds kinda like a growling sound sometimes if I push on my stomach it well make this sound and I can feel it bubbleing under my fingers I never had a problem sleeping trough the night but I do normaly have to get up early in the morning and pee I do have drizzle after I pee I can shake forever but when I walk away drip drip my symtoms seem to bother me more when I'm standing...... Has anyone here had these type of symptoms??
Your symptoms sound identical to mine. I have never had a discharge or pain in the rectum. I have had pain in the same area's as you. I have discomfort in my stomach/bowels and think this may be related. I have the drip drip too. What has your diet been like leading up to this?
I am going to do a humaworm and humacleanse and maybe a colonic.
It isn't that uncommon to cycle antibiotics in chronic infections.
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