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*** The reason I posted this article is two-fold. First, to warn of the dangers of sodium benzoate and also to show that acidity attracts yeast and mold. You don't want your body to be acidic, and you don't want to be overly alkaline either, however, you do want to be somewhat alkaline, with a pH of over 7 for sure.

Do some research on body pH, being acidic etc..
Thanks for the article! I know that being ACIDIC or ALKALINE is not healthy...that the mid-range is best. However, I am OVERLY-ALKALINE, thus the candida turns from a yeast to a biofilmed fungus---the most difficult to erradicate. An Acidic environment helps combat/prevent this (a way to do this is thru acid-producing probiotics, kefirs, kombucha, fermented foods....).

What is your opinion on kefir, kombucha, and fermented foods? Lots of controversy as to whether they help or hurt, but eating probiotics makes more sense than taking a pill-form of them.

Do u also know much about bitters?

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So you think that your candida problems occur from being over alkaline. How did you determine that you are over alkaline? What are you measuring?

I would assume that your candida problems started with vancomycin and probably with antibiotics you used previously to this. These drugs morph candida and start the systemic candida infection as well as leaky gut and bowel disorder.
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So you think that your candida problems occur from being over alkaline. How did you determine that you are over alkaline? What are you measuring?

I would assume that your candida problems started with vancomycin and probably with antibiotics you used previously to this. These drugs morph candida and start the systemic candida infection as well as leaky gut and bowel disorder.
I never said the alkalinity was the CAUSE...it contributes the problem and prevents me from healing. I have numerous causes (stemming back BEFORE the MRSA infection...god know how long I've had this), but the alkalinity only serves to keep the candida in its detrimental fungal/biofilm form, as well as causing a host of other issues. My digestive pH is 7.25 when it should be 6.21-6.59. That's quite high. My excretory pH is fine (6.25....normal range is 6.21-6.59).
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What is your opinion on kefir, kombucha, and fermented foods? Lots of controversy as to whether they help or hurt, but eating probiotics makes more sense than taking a pill-form of them.
Fermented foods are great, because they supply friendly bacteria. Don't forget sauerkraut. It is nearly impossible to find sauerkraut that has not been pasteurized, so making it yourself is better. Kefir has the widest range of bacterial species, making it the best.
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Is water kefir as beneficial as milk kefir? Is it possible to use coconut water to make kefir?

I'm on my 2nd day of the 1000+ protocol. I'm now doing 5 drops every hour and I feel no different. IDK if this protocol is working. I think my food is neutralizing it bc protein, vit c, and other antioxidants deactivate MMS.

I think it makes more sense to take it every 4 hours or so....that way, u can maximize the effects of it and can schedule eating around it so that they don't interfere with one another.

I was starting to get detox reactions doing 12+ drops BID....but this 1000+ protocol isn't doing anything except being a major inconvenience/hassle.

Should I try what was suggested by an ND student: to work up to 15 drops 3-4 times a day (with DMSO)?
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Regular food will not deactivate the mms to any signficant degree. If it did those who do the hourly and or two hourly applications, none of them would get benefit.

Have you added the DMSO yet? I think that two days is not enough to determine if a protocol is working for you or not.

I wonder if MMS2 would be of benefit to you as it is hypochlorus acid.. Many people do both or just the mms2
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Regular food will not deactivate the mms to any signficant degree. If it did those who do the hourly and or two hourly applications, none of them would get benefit.
Actually, that is not true. Read this link (scroll down to Incompatibilities):
https://bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprot.htm

" Chlorine dioxide is used in industry to specifically target and to destroy thiols and phenols, because they readily react together and destroy each other. Examples of chlorine dioxide quenching compounds are: N-acetyl-L-cysteine, glutathione, alpha-lipoic acid, ascorbic acid, polyphenols, tocopherols, bioflavonoids, anthocyanidins, benzaldehyde, cinnamaldehyde, juice concentrates and many herbal remedies. Most fruits especially grapes and berries are rich sources of polyphenolic antioxidants. Examples of herbs rich in antioxidant polyphenols are: chocolate, tea, coffee, turmeric, silymarin, licorice, ginkgo, olive. Sulfur rich foods also eliminate chlorine dioxide if present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Examples include: garlic, onion, leek, asparagus, beans, peas, egg, milk and even white potatoe (due to alpha-lipoic acid). Protein must also not be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. Proteins are made of amino acids which present an abundance of phenols, organic sulfides, thiols and secondary amines, which react with and eliminate chlorine dioxide on contact. L-tyrosine has a phenol group. L-methionine is a sulfide. L-cysteine is a thiol. L-tryptophan, L-proline and L-histidine have secondary amino groups. Certain B-complex vitamins are similarly reactive such as: thiamine, riboflavin, folate, pantothenate. Finally many drugs contain secondary amines, tertiary amines, thiols, sulfides or phenols. Under physician direction these may also need to be identified and withheld on the day of treatment or at least not taken at the time of treatment. While antioxidants and vitamin supplements are generally speaking healthy for preventive and longevity purposes, and while these are beneficial in the treatment of many chronic diseases, these are incompatible at the moment of the acidified sodium chlorite treatment. Therefore, fruit, fruit juices, fruit concentrates, wines, green drinks, herbs, protein, most vitamins and most drugs should not be taken at the time of treatment and certainly not mixed with the acidified sodium chlorite solution. If these principles are not respected, little if any oxidants will survive to kill pathogens and no benefit should be expected.
If a person already ate some incompatible food such as protein or fruit prior to a scheduled treatment, then they must wait at least four hours for these items to pass through the stomach before taking the treatment. The next day after treatment the above described incompatible substances can be resumed. Protein could probably be eaten as soon as 3 hours after treatment.

Anyone who claims success taking fruit juices with acidified sodium chlorite has succeeded in spite of this quenching problem. Higher and higher doses of oxidants would have to be administered to get past the antioxidants. If someone is already apparently tolerating especially high doses of oxides of chlorine, because these oxidants are being taken with antioxidants, then such a person is at risk of oxidant overdose if the concomittent antioxidants are suddenly stopped. The most appropriate action would be to hold the antioxidants and to back down to a much lower dose of the oxidants.

Nutrient poor white starches on the other hand may be present in the stomach at the time of treatment. These may even be taken with or mixed with the diluted solution. These do not react readily with chlorine dioxide. Examples of allowable junky starchy foods are: white bread, casava, grits, white wheat pasta, white rice, saltines. Note that white potatoes are not included in this list because they are rich in alpha-lipoic acid a sulfur based antioxidant. Even though most sulfur compounds react with chlorine dioxide, oxidized sulfur compounds such as DMSO, MSM, taurine or sulfate are probably not reactive. Pending further knowledge it seems likely that carotenoids and polyunsaturated fatty acids do not quench chlorine dioxide."

It is a great research article. Dr Hesselink was one of the pioneers with MMS treatment for Malaria. I actually met him not too long ago, but he did not bring up MMS.
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How long is it safe to take MMS at high doses (example: I've read people taking 18 drops 3x/day)?
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How long is it safe to take MMS at high doses (example: I've read people taking 18 drops 3x/day)?
I think it is OK to take for a long period, because it breaks down within 4 hours to sodium chloride and hypochlorous acid. Both are good for the body. If it even gets to 4 hours. When it destroys a microbe, it is destroyed as well.

It would not cause superbugs either. The microbes cannot 'learn' from the actions of chlorine dioxide. It strips one electron from each molecule, so the organism has not time to 'communicate' to others.
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Bee, I think I am going to excuse myself from this thread. It seems to me that you are spinning yourself in circles and giving me a headache.

If mms were distroyed by eating regular meals people would not get better on the hourly protocol. What bioredox says is irrelevant as clinical experience proves otherwise. Obiviously enough mms survives to do the job or people would not be curing their cancer with it on the hourly protocols. If it were such a huge issue Jim Humble would address it. Just take the dang mms one hour after a meal.


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Wow. Thanks, Arrow. I'm glad u had the means and the support to find your cure. Instead of being annoyed and inconvenienced by someone who is struggling and not experiencing the effects a certain treatment is supposed to give, u ought to be more empathetic and understanding. I'm sure u had doubts and fears as you were on your healing path.

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My background info again: Heavy metals, +3 unknown fungal infection, GI issues (gastroparesis, gerd, constipation, abnormal stools, ibs/ibd, etc), fms/cfs, hormonal/nutritional/neurotransmitter imbalances, osteporosis, adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid.....), muscle wasting, low wt...

So, I tried it, despite many reservations, lots of research, and lots of meditating if this is the route to go: MMS. I used it for approx 2+ weeks and I've come to the conclusion that it's probably doing me more harm than good. Maybe it helps others, but I feel my big problem is my heavy metal toxicities... I feel that chelating the metals will help my immune system, thus helping to bring my body back into balance. Plus, metals and fungus are like magnets for one another...so, get the metals out, and the yeast/fungus goes with it (for the most part.... some fungus tx may be needed as well, just in case).

I think I need to focus on reBUILDING my body, not breaking it down any further than it already is. My health is too fragile to handle MMS, I believe.

To chelate: IV-EDTA for the other metals?, possibly DMSA for mercury?... IV Glutathione? Cilantro/chlorella? Any suggestions? What should I use as binders/vacuums for the toxins? I know of a local integrative MD who specializes in Chelation and does IV chelation and nutritional IV therapies. He's also a chemist and actually helped Jim Humble research MMS for Malaria. I called him, and he thought MMS was too much for my body right now...that I'm too toxic/depleted to be able to derive any benefit.

Yeast/fungus: Should I do nystatin? Homeopathy? I already do VCO, probiotics, 3000mg Vit C, interfase enzyme, low-carb/no sugar/DF/GF diet

How to restore the body: IV nutritional therapy? Healing Diet for certain!, what supplements? Detoxes? Enemas? Bitters? Homeopathy? Herbs?

I have appt with an ND/DC at a nationally-known alternative medicine teaching university, and an appt with an integrative MD who does IV chelation and IV nutritional therapy. I will continue with my chiro, but only for the NAET.

Any thoughts on what I ought to ask them at my appt, as well as what I should do for my Tx would be extremely helpful.

Thanks!
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I also agree with Arrow on this.
MMS works and it works really well. Taking a low dose hourly everyday will not make you worse, it will make you better. Dosage is the key here, too much and you will feel sick.
I also agree that you keep re-hashing everything that has been said. We are not here to tell you what to do but to share our experiences and knowledge.

I wish you all the best in your recovery.

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How do I know what dose? I'm very sick from it... even the thought of it makes me want to gag.

My chiro told me to go back to the BID approach. I did 12 drops this AM and thought I was gonna die. major reaction.

This is all so frustrating.

I just want a clear-cut answer as to how to go about healing EVERYTHING that is wrong with me
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How do I know what dose? I'm very sick from it... even the thought of it makes me want to gag.

My chiro told me to go back to the BID approach. I did 12 drops this AM and thought I was gonna die. major reaction.

This is all so frustrating.

I just want a clear-cut answer as to how to go about healing EVERYTHING that is wrong with me
You took 12 drops of activated MMS this morning?! No wonder you're going crazy.
One last time: 1 drop every hour or every 2 hours if you cannot stand it. You can also take 1/2 a drop...just see what works for you.
You can take it unactivated (that's what I do) and let your stomach acid activate it. This approach gives no smell or taste at all. Take it with a glass of water.

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