Even though I agree with most of the information from the link above, there are some things that are just plain wrong.
First, bakers yeast is not beneficial or harmless to the body. In fact, bakers yeast is added to dough for one reason, to make the bread rise, and that same yeast makes the stomach rise. Between bakers yeast and brewers yeast, pot bellies are created.
Who suffers from candida overgrowth? Anyone who has been vaccinated for any reason, anyone who is put on a 10 day (or longer) dose of antibiotics, prescription drugs, and anyone who is deficient in any vitamin or mineral, for these all affect the immune system in a negative manner.
It is my opinion that copper is not the problem, lack of other minerals such as selenium and zinc are. Copper only becomes excessive when other minerals are missing because they work in a synergistic manner.
I do agree that there is a connection between heavy metals and candida overgrowth, however, this is mainly due to the fact that heavy metals, (with the exception of silver, gold, and copper) are immunosuppressive, thus allowing for yeast to multiply.
In the "correction of candida" section of Dr. Wilsons article, he suggests all sugar should be eliminated from the diet, and I agree with that, however, he lists glucose as one of the culprits when in fact glucose is natural sugar that the body needs, and is made available from vegetables.
He also suggests that grains should be reduced when in fact they should be eliminated, since he has not made the connection between grains and fungal organisms.
Dr. Wilson also suggests that prescription antifungals are usually not needed, however, I disagree with that, especially when someone has multiple health symptoms.
Otherwise, not a bad article.
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Saccharomyces cerevisiae (baker's yeast, brewer's yeast) is one that I read would not feed Candida. A great source of B vitamins and chromium. The yeast is also a good source of immune stimulating polysaccharides called beta glucans. However, not good in cases of uric acid or autoimmune diseases.
Saccharomyces actually feeds on other yeasts, or is that saccharomyces boulardii.
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Sacro B is the beneficial yeast. That one supposedly crowds out candida.
PinballDoc: Do u suggest Sacro B would be good for me to take in addition to my bacterial probiotics?
There is, of course, controversy over nutritional yeast. I avoid it just to be safe... plus, I muscle-tested weak against yeast.
PinballDoc: I sent Dr Null an email. Thank u for the link...I pray he can help shed some light.
The overall majority is telling me to avoid MMS at all costs. I really need to know if MMS would harm me/poison me as some people claim....or if it could help me????
PinBallDoc: I hate to harp on this, but if you could look back at the diet I posted, could u tweak it so that it can be anti-candida pertinent? I'll repost here for convenience:
Here is what I currently eat every day (approx 1500 cals, 45g fat (28%), 140g carbs (37%) , 130g (35%) protein, 23g fiber)
1. 4oz homemade greens juice (cucumber, spinach, celery, cilantro...)
1 Food for Life Brown Rice Tortilla
1 TB organic almond butter + 2 TB Rice Protein powder (I mix this with a bit of water to make a protein-packed spread)
2. Food for Life brown rice tortilla
3oz chicken breast
1/2c steamed veggies, romaine, carrots (I put the chicken and veggies in the wrap)
3. brown rice cake + 1 TB almond butter + 2 TB nutribiotics brown rice protein powder
4. Same as meal 2
5. 2 jumbo soft boiled eggs + 4oz green juice
Also, what are well-documented candida remedies and metal remedies u would suggest for me? If coconut oil all it's crack up to be?
Would it be advisable to use liberal amounts of celtic sea salt on my food for my adrenals? I had read that that might be helpful. WOuld that cause water retention or bloating? How much to use per day?
The overall majority is telling me to avoid MMS at all costs. I really need to know if MMS would harm me/poison me as some people claim....or if it could help me????
Ok I will explain in very easy to understand terms about the MMS. First it is a poison, and if you drink the whole bottle it will kill you quick. However, in small doses such as a few drops, it is beneficial to the body.
If you use MMS properly the way it was designed to be used, it will not hurt you. What it will do is boost your immune system.
Start with a one drop dose of MMS. Mix 1 drop of MMS with 1 drop of your 50% citric acid solution and let it activate for 3 minutes. It should turn to a yellowish-green color. Once activated, add an ounce or two of distilled water and drink it. If you don't have distilled water, use reverse osmosis water. I do not recommend adding fruit juice because of the vitamin C content that may be in the juice.
After a period of at least 4 hours, if you feel good and are not feeling sick to your stomach, mix up another dose, only this time mix 2 drops of MMS with 2 drops of 50% citric acid and let activate for 3 minutes. Then again add a couple ounces of water (don't use tap water because of chlorine, fluoride, contaminates, etc) and drink it. You may find that it tastes a little like swimming pool water because of the chlorine content. MMS when activated becomes CL02 which is chlorine dioxide.
Just keep progressing adding one more drop with each progressive dose, and if at any time you feel sick to your stomach, don't increase the dose, however stay with the same dose until you feel ok, then continue to increase again one drop at a time.
Continue for several days or as long as it takes to get up to a 15 drop dose twice per day. I don't know how long this will take you since you have several health issues that may slow your progress, however, once you get up to 15 drops twice per day, you should be feeling alot better.
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PinBallDoc: I hate to harp on this, but if you could look back at the diet I posted, could u tweak it so that it can be anti-candida pertinent?
Try doing the MMS protocol I explained above first because MMS is going to kill pathogens in your blood, including fungi.
As stated in an earlier post, having the shits on the MMS protocol is considered normal since the body is eliminating vast amounts of toxins, such as from fungus.
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Also, what are well-documented candida remedies and metal remedies u would suggest for me? If coconut oil all it's crack up to be?
Lastly, what issues do I work on first?
Do the MMS protocol first. You can add coconut oil into your diet later, and yes, coconut oil is very good.
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Would it be advisable to use liberal amounts of celtic sea salt on my food for my adrenals? I had read that that might be helpful. WOuld that cause water retention or bloating? How much to use per day?
Sea salt contains minerals, and that is a good thing. Let your body determine the amount you need by starting out using small amounts and slowly increasing the amount til your food tastes salty. That means too much, so then you can cut back a little.
Pinballdoc, u have been very helpful. I'm sorry if I seem so confused...i just get so overwhelmed by all of this and scared that I'm going to progressively decline if I don't do something quick.....but figuring out what the protocol should be is my biggest dilemma.
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Try doing the MMS protocol I explained above first because MMS is going to kill pathogens in your blood, including fungi.
Isn't doing the MMS without a change in diet (ie, an anti-fungal diet) similar to "shooting the enemy then sending the medics?" I'm afraid that if I don't eat a diet that is conducive to killing the pathogens, that I'll either a) prolong the length of time to kill the pathogens b) it'll be ineffective c) I'll produce more toxins.
What is the amount of carbs I should NOT exceed? How much fat should I eat (I read that fat can be very healing...but too much can put stress on an already stressed-out liver)?
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Do the MMS protocol first. You can add coconut oil into your diet later, and yes, coconut oil is very good.
What is the rationale for this?
Do u feel taking chlorella and citrus pectin will help with the detox process from the MMS?
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Sea salt contains minerals, and that is a good thing. Let your body determine the amount you need by starting out using small amounts and slowly increasing the amount til your food tastes salty. That means too much, so then you can cut back a little.
My food should NOT taste salty? Aw, that's no fun! Salty food tastes good, lol. :-)
Any foods/meals/snacks/herbs/spices that u recommend that are very healing that would be good to incorporate?
After the MMS, what should I work on healing next?
Thanks SO much... u are extremely helpful and undoubtably knowledgable!!!
Sacro B is the beneficial yeast. That one supposedly crowds out candida.
PinballDoc: Do u suggest Sacro B would be good for me to take in addition to my bacterial probiotics?
If coconut oil all it's crack up to be?
My naturopathic doctor has me on an anti-candida diet and sacro B is in my protocol during lunch. Too much destructive stuff for morning and dinner. Sacro B does more than just crowd out oher bacteria, though that is its main function. It is know to eat other yeasts for fuel. Too many months without pizza and pasta. At least until Thanksgiving. After all, I've spent decades destroying microbes with various protocols and twice with Diflucan (fluconozole). We are not even sure it is Candida, but various yeasts have shown up in stool samples. I am also taking 2 capsules of VSL#3 probiotics at bedtime. So no problem with probiotics and sacro B. The VSL#3 has 250 Billion live lactic acid bacteria, where most products only contain 5 Billion each. It is the lactic acid producing species that kills the Candida and other bad microbes.
Yes coconut oil is all that it is cracked up to be. It contains 8 different acids. The main one, caprylic acid, is the one that destroys the candida fungus. The fungus does not like the acid and will morph back into its yeast state or die. Another important acid in coconut is lauric. That it found in mothers' milk to enhance the infant's immune system. It also has a higher heat tolerance and is excellent for frying.
I need more reassurance that MMS won't make things worse.... here are only some of the concerns I have with it.:
1. chlorine can combine with organic matter forming carcinogens or that chlorine is a halogen that displaces iodine, which in turn can suppress the thyroid. Excess chlorine can interfere with iodine in the body since it is an iodine antagonist.
2. MMS therapy is contradictory with most everything. MMS is an oxidizer so it can break down vitamins, alkaloids, and many other substances taken with it.
3. Of even more concern though is the chlorine component of MMS. Chlorine compounds can react with organic matter forming carcinogens and MMS can react with ammonia forming highly toxic chloramine.
4. Chlorine dioxide is somewhat safe, but again unstable. It is the byproducts of chlorine dioxide are the worrisome part. These include chlorite and chlorate, which can induce hemolytic anemia among other things. There is also the chlorine produced by the breakdown of the unstable chlorine dioxide that can react with other substances forming poisonous compounds such as chloramine.
5. With my liver not working well, am I able to detox sufficiently? Don't we need to make sure my "detox organs" (ie gut, colon, liver, kidneys...) are up to snuff so that I can eliminate the toxins? Again, Glutathione/cysteine/methinone, and selenium are important, as are Vit C, probiotics, etc
My naturopathic doctor has me on an anti-candida diet and sacro B is in my protocol during lunch. Too much destructive stuff for morning and dinner. Sacro B does more than just crowd out oher bacteria, though that is its main function. It is know to eat other yeasts for fuel. Too many months without pizza and pasta. At least until Thanksgiving. After all, I've spent decades destroying microbes with various protocols and twice with Diflucan (fluconozole). We are not even sure it is Candida, but various yeasts have shown up in stool samples. I am also taking 2 capsules of VSL#3 probiotics at bedtime. So no problem with probiotics and sacro B. The VSL#3 has 250 Billion live lactic acid bacteria, where most products only contain 5 Billion each. It is the lactic acid producing species that kills the Candida and other bad microbes.
Yes coconut oil is all that it is cracked up to be. It contains 8 different acids. The main one, caprylic acid, is the one that destroys the candida fungus. The fungus does not like the acid and will morph back into its yeast state or die. Another important acid in coconut is lauric. That it found in mothers' milk to enhance the infant's immune system. It also has a higher heat tolerance and is excellent for frying.
Can u post what a typical day's worth of meals/snacks is like for you on your anti-candida diet? Perhaps seeing an example meal plan will help me figure out how to tweak my diet so that it is more conducive to healing. Thanks!!!
What brand and how much Sacro B do u do? Do u have to take it away from the bacterial probiotics? I read that it may cause constipation....is this true?
How much Coconut oil do u do a day? Do u cook with it or take it straight? Is it something that needs to be started at a low dose, then worked upwards?
I have seen several studies suggesting that the whole "alkalizing the body" trend actually favors candida growth, and that a more acidic environment is preferred for proper flora balance. Have u heard this? I'm actually alkaline, so I shouldn't have candida issues, if the whole "alkalinity is healthy" trend was true! Plus, don't more probiotics live in an acidic environment (ACIDolphilus!!!!)?
I need more reassurance that MMS won't make things worse.... here are only some of the concerns I have with it.:
1. chlorine can combine with organic matter forming carcinogens or that chlorine is a halogen that displaces iodine, which in turn can suppress the thyroid. Excess chlorine can interfere with iodine in the body since it is an iodine antagonist.
2. MMS therapy is contradictory with most everything. MMS is an oxidizer so it can break down vitamins, alkaloids, and many other substances taken with it.
3. Of even more concern though is the chlorine component of MMS. Chlorine compounds can react with organic matter forming carcinogens and MMS can react with ammonia forming highly toxic chloramine.
4. Chlorine dioxide is somewhat safe, but again unstable. It is the byproducts of chlorine dioxide are the worrisome part. These include chlorite and chlorate, which can induce hemolytic anemia among other things. There is also the chlorine produced by the breakdown of the unstable chlorine dioxide that can react with other substances forming poisonous compounds such as chloramine.
5. With my liver not working well, am I able to detox sufficiently? Don't we need to make sure my "detox organs" (ie gut, colon, liver, kidneys...) are up to snuff so that I can eliminate the toxins? Again, Glutathione/cysteine/methinone, and selenium are important, as are Vit C, probiotics, etc
MMS does not break down to chlorine or chlorate. Neither does MMS2 which you should probably take also. If my liver was bad I would do one or two drops of mms1 once a day for a week then 2 to 3 times a day for several weeks till you liver is stronger. I have seen such a protocol improve liver enzymes which indicates an improved liver. Sodium chloride, table salt, which has a chlorine molecule in it also does not break down to chlorine in the body.
Oxygen is an oxidizer. Do you even know what an oxidizer is? Your body cannot not live without oxidizers. MMS is a mild oxidizer. Milder than ozone therapy which has been in medical use for over 50 years. It will not break down vitamins etc. It will kill pathogens. Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidizer that your body produces on its own.
If your liver is loaded with pathogens and parasites you will never get well. MMS will eleminate them.
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Yes, I have devoured that site, as well as other MMS sites (mmsforlife, for example). I even talked to a representative at the company who makes it. All very helpful. The conflicting info and warnings I'm receiving are from curezone.com, and some other websites. Curezone seems to really be against it. It's odd, cuz approx 4 years ago, there were lots of positive posts about MMS and it seemed like everyone was doing it. Now, they are warning everyone about it. They say it was a "bandwagon" treatment and a way for docs to make money....like, it was the new "it" supplement. IDK why they scorn it so much....and I also don't know where the people who used it (and liked it!) are...perhaps those people are "cured" and are doing so well that they don't need to frequent that site anymore! :-) At least, that's my hope!
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MMS does not break down to chlorine or chlorate. Neither does MMS2 which you should probably take also. If my liver was bad I would do one or two drops of mms1 once a day for a week then 2 to 3 times a day for several weeks till you liver is stronger. I have seen such a protocol improve liver enzymes which indicates an improved liver. Sodium chloride, table salt, which has a chlorine molecule in it also does not break down to chlorine in the body.
Oxygen is an oxidizer. Do you even know what an oxidizer is? Your body cannot not live without oxidizers. MMS is a mild oxidizer. Milder than ozone therapy which has been in medical use for over 50 years. It will not break down vitamins etc. It will kill pathogens. Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidizer that your body produces on its own.
If your liver is loaded with pathogens and parasites you will never get well. MMS will eleminate them.
Thanks for clarifying this. Why did the info I got from my previous post (from a curezone moderator) conflict with your info?
Aren't oxidizers harmful and that's why there is such a big push to take ANTI-oxidants? I guess that's where have trouble comprehending this.
Should i start the MMS BEFORE I start the chlorella capsules and pectin capsules? Or, do I start the chlorella/pectin BEFORE the MMS?
I want to start one or the other first so that I can gauge if I have a reaction...plus, IDK if I should start detoxing first with the MMS, THEN take the vacuums/binders, or the other way around.
If u suggest doing the MMS first, when should I add the chlorella/pectin? (for instance, once I reach the 15 drops three x/day?)
What is most important for you is that you just start for you keep making mountains out of mole hills and it is delaying your progress.
Diet considerations are important but not nearly as important as taking something that will kill pathogens. Ever notice that people who try to fix everything with diet are still trying to fix things 10 years later? Diet alone will not eliminate parasites.
People seem to get very polarized over MMS. We have many people on this forum who have had very good results from it. Seems the worst that happens is that it doesnt' help ALL conditons.
MMS2 is an oxidizer also. It converts to hypochlorus acid in the body. This is the same thing as your stomach acid. Jim Humble says that for those people who did not get the results that they had hoped for with MMS1 adding MMS2 to their protocol has been greatly beneficial.
I have been reading information on the injection in very small amounts of hypochlorus acid directly into the blood to cure some very serious diseases. Its very interesting reading.. and no I am not recommending that.
Curezone has had many people who have promoted and used and liked MMS. There are people there who also do not like it. as with any product. Seems when I was reading on there the vast majority approved of MMS. Seems curezone has two forums to discuss mms. One is a MMS support forum and the other is a MMS debate forum.
That MMS is a way for doctors to make money is hilarious. At $20 a bottle for something that cures many things I fail to see how doctors make money on it. LOL!
anyway, if you have devoured Jim Humble's website then you would know about MMS2. Perhaps you need to go there and read again.
The conflicting info and warnings I'm receiving are from curezone.com, and some other websites. Curezone seems to really be against it. It's odd, cuz approx 4 years ago, there were lots of positive posts about MMS and it seemed like everyone was doing it. Now, they are warning everyone about it.
Thanks for clarifying this. Why did the info I got from my previous post (from a curezone moderator) conflict with your info?
I was the original/earliest poster on the curezone MMS forum. I remained until it became as polarized as our current US Congress. Moderators of other curezone forums jealously attacked the MMS forum. Ignorance or jealousy. Not just conflicting info, incorrect info. MMS (chlorine dioxide) is not chlorine any more that carbon monoxide is carbon. MMS only breaks down into sodium chloride (same as table salt) and hydrochlorous acid (also created by the body to heal).
If you have so many misgivings, you will most likely fail after your first immune/detox reaction. That is too bad. MMS may not even help you, as it does not work for all things. Only for those microbes that are electron donors. You won't even know unless you try.
Can u post what a typical day's worth of meals/snacks is like for you on your anti-candida diet? Perhaps seeing an example meal plan will help me figure out how to tweak my diet so that it is more conducive to healing. Thanks!!!
What brand and how much Sacro B do u do? Do u have to take it away from the bacterial probiotics? I read that it may cause constipation....is this true?
How much Coconut oil do u do a day? Do u cook with it or take it straight? Is it something that needs to be started at a low dose, then worked upwards?
I have seen several studies suggesting that the whole "alkalizing the body" trend actually favors candida growth, and that a more acidic environment is preferred for proper flora balance. Have u heard this? I'm actually alkaline, so I shouldn't have candida issues, if the whole "alkalinity is healthy" trend was true! Plus, don't more probiotics live in an acidic environment (ACIDolphilus!!!!)?
OMG! Absolute worse thing you can do for your body, especially with Candida. Candida is a somewhat harmless yeast that is a common part of our system, as is e-coli. In an alkaline environment it morphs into an aggressive fungi. It is a proven dimorphic (actually polyphenic). That means that it can morph back into yeast. I have written of this alkaline/acid controversy so many times on this forum. I won't repeat. If you lean toward alkalinity, it is no wonder you have such bad fungi as well as numerous other digestive problems. Big problems.
It is not that probiotics live in an alkaline environment as that they produce it. It is one of their major contributions to our immune system that they create acid in their normal life cycle which kills fungi and other bad pathogens. I have to say that cancer produces acid too. That's why it is incorrectly believed that alkaline environment can kill cancer. Someone thought that cancer itself is acid, then dreamed up that cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment. Alkaline in great quantity and very localized will kill any pathogen. But your body will rebel against this and continue to fight to balance the pH.
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