What is most important for you is that you just start for you keep making mountains out of mole hills and it is delaying your progress.
I know that I do this. It's just that I've literally been thru the ringer with my health and with doctors, so I get nervous trying something new, for I have yet to experience much relief of any sort. I'm praying this MMS stuff helps!
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Diet considerations are important but not nearly as important as taking something that will kill pathogens. Ever notice that people who try to fix everything with diet are still trying to fix things 10 years later? Diet alone will not eliminate parasites.
Yes, I have noticed that diet alone is not the answer. But the answer I was looking for was HOW I could change my CURRENT diet that I posted so that it would help this healing process and not keep me stuck in this cycle.
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That MMS is a way for doctors to make money is hilarious. At $20 a bottle for something that cures many things I fail to see how doctors make money on it. LOL!
I agree.... but that goes to show u how some people pull at anything they can to dissuade someone from doing something they are against.
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I was the original/earliest poster on the curezone MMS forum. I remained until it became as polarized as our current US Congress. Moderators of other curezone forums jealously attacked the MMS forum. Ignorance or jealousy. Not just conflicting info, incorrect info. MMS (chlorine dioxide) is not chlorine any more that carbon monoxide is carbon. MMS only breaks down into sodium chloride (same as table salt) and hydrochlorous acid (also created by the body to heal).
I agree, also. The forum is very polarized and often there is a lot of wrong info being handed out.
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If you have so many misgivings, you will most likely fail after your first immune/detox reaction. That is too bad. MMS may not even help you, as it does not work for all things. Only for those microbes that are electron donors. You won't even know unless you try.
I'm going to try it. I figure I have nothing else to lose and it is something I have yet to try. *fingers crossed!*
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No. You are overanalyzing this. The best I can do is point you in the direction of what to eat and what to avoid.
I am not overanalyzing this. The reason I asked for an example day's diet was so that I could make sure I'm devising my OWN diet correctly. Last time I tried this type of diet, it was disastrous---I lost so much weight. I can't let that happen again. I have read all the sites about what foods to eat/avoid, but it doesn't tell u HOW to eat...like what a meal or snack looks like. That's all I'm asking.
Regarding the Coconut oil: did u experience any reactions to it and did u have to work up to the 2T u are doing? Also, how have things changed since being on a high fat/very-low carb diet? Are u experiencing better health (energy, weight, body composition, muscle, sleep, digestion, mental, etc)?
I worry that by cutting out carbs, I'll lose muscle (carbs help muscles look fuller and thicker...without carbs, muscle are flat). Did u notice any positive or negative body changes with the anti-fungal diet?
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OMG! Absolute worse thing you can do for your body, especially with Candida. Candida is a somewhat harmless yeast that is a common part of our system, as is e-coli. In an alkaline environment it morphs into an aggressive fungi. It is a proven dimorphic (actually polyphenic). That means that it can morph back into yeast. I have written of this alkaline/acid controversy so many times on this forum. I won't repeat. If you lean toward alkalinity, it is no wonder you have such bad fungi as well as numerous other digestive problems. Big problems.
It is not that probiotics live in an alkaline environment as that they produce it. It is one of their major contributions to our immune system that they create acid in their normal life cycle which kills fungi and other bad pathogens. I have to say that cancer produces acid too. That's why it is incorrectly believed that alkaline environment can kill cancer. Someone thought that cancer itself is acid, then dreamed up that cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment. Alkaline in great quantity and very localized will kill any pathogen. But your body will rebel against this and continue to fight to balance the pH.
So, you are saying that an Alkaline body is BAD because it makes Candida more aggressive? Wow. Then why are there all these claims that "everyone is too acidic and an acidic body causes disease"....and why are all the new "healthy diets" for curing disease prompting everyone to "alkalize" themselves? (example: the "crazy, sexy cancer diet," raw veganism, McDougall, etc)
How can I get my body's pH to be more favorable for the good flora?
I appreciate the links, but the info all contradicts itself! Some say NO grains whatsoever, some say GF grains are aloud, and some say no grains at first, but introduce them after x-number of weeks. Same goes with fruits, "starchy veggies," etc.
I was hoping to get more concise info...that's why I asked b/c I have been to nearly every "anti-fungal diet" website and cannot find clear info. I'm not trying to harp on this, but I really asking for help and guidance.
Coconut is not harmful, and you can take 2 tablespoons per day without hazard. Many believe that you can lose weight with this protocol. Something to do with metabolism. I am underweight and have not seen swings in either direction.
The key to the diet is to not feed the fungus. Unfortunately you will not be feeding the good bacteria either. So diet alone will not solve the problem, as pinballdoctor has said more than once. https://www.wholesaleherbs.com/yeast.html
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After years of research and experimentation (as well as picking the brains of others, like yourselves!), I have come to these conclusions regarding diet concerning candida and general healthy eating:
I think the fiber from grains (GLUTEN-FREE!!!!) is needed to bind to the toxins released when detoxing. Veggie fiber is different than grain fiber and is different from fruit fiber. Brown rice contains negligible amounts of sugar, but veggies can contain sugar. Fruits are full of sugar, so I can understand why fruits are no good. But I think to totally eliminate grains is asking for trouble. They contain many valuable vitamins and minerals, too. I think if you keep your grain intake moderate-to-low, it's fine. Carbs feed the good bacteria, as well. Plus, why subject yourself to such a lousy diet regimen? There has been no proof that severely restricting carbs is helpful against candida. Look at the number of people who have been on a gran-free, VLC diet for YEARS on this board. Most, if not all, are still struggling with candida. It makes me wonder if that drastic diet is all it is touted to be. If it works so well, why doesn't it erradicate the candida?
After all my research, I'm coming to the conclusion that one's diet needs to be balanced and healthy. That means:
-No sugar
-Be careful of fruits. Some of us may be able to tolerate the lower-sugared fruits (berries, apples, etc), but many of us are fructose-intolerant, thus fruit may be an issue. It seems that eating fruit first thing in the AM on an empty stomach seems to be best tolerated.
-No gluten.
-Protein is very important...make sure it's organic. Stick to lean proteins and not fatty ones like red meat, which is also difficult to digest.
-Carbs ARE needed for health. Carbs stabilize serotonin levels, provide fiber and a variety of vitamins/minerals. Gluten-free grains only.
-The body will convert anything to sugar in order to supply energy to the body. Thus, severely cutting carbs only leads to muscle breakdown, ketosis, and other health issues. Give your body the right amount of carbs it needs for energy---no more, and no less. An improper carb intake can lead to metal fog, depression, low energy, constipation, flat muscles, wasting, malnutrition, etc..
-Eat lots of veggies
-Juice your veggies (leafy greens, celery, cilantro, cucumber, brocolli, etc)
-Nut are healthy...just make sure they aren't moldy. No peanuts!
-Some protein powders are healing for the body, especially if someone is underweight and/or nutritionally compromised. The extra amino acids help to rebuild and restore the body. Plus, protein powders are easy to digest. I like Nutribiotic Brown Rice protein powder. It is clean and is sourced to not contain any impurities, unlike ones like Muscle Milk, which has been shown to contain arsenic.
-Eat clean. Try to prepare your food fresh. Avoid left-overs, if possible.
-Use healing spices, like cilantro, cayenne, black better, kelp, garlic, onion....
-increase sulfur-rich foods, which help with detoxing
-eat a good amount of fiber
-Take a multivitamin, EFA source, probiotics, and other supplements as per one's own health condition.
-Digestive enzymes (and HCl, if stomach acid is low or if one has GERD) help a lot
-Eat small, frequent meals throughout the day, consisting of a mix of carbs, proteins, and fats in order to stabilize blood sugar and to provide a variety of nutrients.
-Don't overcook the food, but steaming, stir-frying, and lightly toasting/baking is fine. Raw is good, but for those who have digestive issues, sometimes lightly cooking helps break down the food better.
-Eat slow, be in an enjoyable environment, and be in a positive mood when eating and preparing food.
https://www.wholesaleherbs.com/yeast.html
Thanks u for the above website. It gives a lot of great info, but isn't so horribly restrictive, for it allows some carbs and a variety of food. I like how it gives the macronutrient ratios to shoot for.
Funny thing is, I'm actually eating close to the way the website lists. My carbs might be a smidge higher, though.
When counting the carbs in a candida diet, are they also counting the carbs from veggies, nuts/seeds or just from grains and other starches?
One thing, though...this website contradicted itself. it first said to eliminate carbs and only focus on protein and fat. Then it said that carbs like brown rice, oat bran (and others) are on the "OK to eat" list. It also said carbs can be 80g per day.
So... which is it? Grains? No grains? Carbs? No carbs?
Or are they suggesting to limit carbs at the beginning, then slowly increase as time goes on?
I think we posted about the same time, so you might have missed my previous post.
You are right about the fibers. Both grain and vegetable fiber contains silica, the most abundant mineral in the body. The friendly bacteria are fueled by this. It is considered prebiotic. The gradually break it down to sugar which provides that food.
I hate diets but have tried so many. None of them visibly helped any of my symptoms. If it is not visible, it will not last long for sure. I don't like the raw food diet. It is too easy to get the wrong bacteria into the body. Cooking will kill most harmful bacteria. Also, some very important vegetables, such as cabbage and broccoli, contain goitrogens which severely interfere with thyroid function. Cooking or steaming will cut down on the amounts of this goitrogen.
LOL...no, we are not posting over each other. I just put two posts up because i didn't want to make one huge post. :-)
Glad to hear that u are not a fan of the drastic candida diets. Do u allow yourself some grains and carbs, then?
I also agree with the raw diet response u had. I think raw foods these days are loaded with lots of bad stuff that we shouldn't ingest. Before we began tinkering with our food and environment, yes, raw was better. But nowadays, cooking seems more safe and healthy, for the most part. :-(
Unfortunately I am a meat and grain person. Vegetables and fruits are lower priority. During this candida diet, until Thanksgiving, I will probably eat more Oriental food and roasted vegetables. I'm not going to worry about rice either. After all, bacteria, friendly or not, and fungi can't survive the cooking process very well. And cooking with coconut oil makes it so much better, since coconut oil is antibacterial and antifungal. But I have great difficulty giving up bread. If I do splurge, I will be sure that it is cooked very well (overcooked). I have done this diet in a strict manner a few years ago, and it did nothing for me. At least nothing visible.
I'm 5'10" and weigh 135 lbs. I've been this way for decades, not varying much from this. I was turned down for military service due to being 5 pounds underweight. Thank goodness for that, as it was the Vietnam era. Regardless, diets do not affect my weight much.
A good bread substitute I found are Food for Life Brown Rice Tortillas. They are really good, especially if u make a wrap sandwich and put it in the toaster oven for a few minutes. It has no gluten, yeast, or other nasty stuff. Check them out!
So are u saying that u ARE doing a strict anti-candida diet, or that u are not? Sorry if I seemed confused; you said the strict diet did nothing for u in the past, and it was a bit hard to tell if u are currently trying it again or not. Are u eating rice?
Sorry that you were turned down by the military, but perhaps that was a good thing!
I have struggled with the symptoms of dysbiosis since childhood. Having said so, I'm not the one to follow what I do. I continue to research what should be done and try that, then something else comes along. Now, I'm working with a naturopathic doctor to give me some guidance.
You should rotate supplements to keep the fungi from getting used to it and evolving as a defense. So, I rotate supplements in 2 week intervals. Except colloidal silver and ozonated water is daily due to the way they work and fungi and bacteria cannot become immune.
So you see, I have done my duty in killing the stuff. I think the fungi, that I'm pretty sure I've killed, grew roots into the lining of my gut. This make permeable intestinal lining called Leaky Gut Syndrome. This allows larger food molecules to get into the blood stream. They body thinks this in an allergen and generate more T-cells. Then I get sinus problems that resemble allergies. And then .... sinusitis. That's what I'm dealing with now. This is why I'm following orders of my naturopathic doctor, so he can see that it is not candida.
The biggest help for Leaky Gut is l-glutathione which is hard for the body to assimilate. I've just started colostrum which I hope helps.
Sounds like u have a very knowledgeable ND! Wish I saw your doc!
Thanks for the details. Do u do one herb at a time in the 2wk rotation or a combo? (and if a combo, how many at a time?)
How long have u been doing the rotation and the diet? Have u seen much success?
I have LGS and have been dealing with that for years. it sucks. :-(
I keep hearing good things about colloidal silver. How do u take this?
I started the MMS last night (1 drop) and did 2 drops this AM. So far, no issues. I hope I get a detox reaction soon...I'm afraid it won't work on me! :-(
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