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That person, HV (James Sloane), is a professional herbologist, who has a lot of experience with mainstream med field. I follow him closely and save his comments for personal study in most cases. It is my favorite subject. He absolutely does not like chemicals, so his comments are biased. I can see why you would not like his comments on such chemicals. BTW, he uses ozone therapy for himself.

Here is his site. https://www.mountainmistbotanicals.com/
And here are some very interesting reports. https://www.mountainmistbotanicals.com/info/index.html

Remember that you are taking a very minute amount of this chlorine dioxide and diluted.
So is he right about MMS?

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Just look at the nature of the Chicago clinic that this MD formed! I doubt Dr Edelburg will prescribe much drugs. He may have some very interesting modalities of treatment at his disposal. Chiropracters are too limited and I do not think you will find your cure with them. I do not hate MDs. I seek MDs that do alternative medicine. If you throw the baby out with the bath water you loose much. Some of the very best alternative practitioners in the USA are medical doctors.

Did you bother to read about Dr David Edelburg? He is not your usual doctor having brought all these alternative specialist together.
Of course I read it. I've read it over and over again. I even called their office twice. However, the commitment to switch and start all over is a big one, especially since he will be WAY more expensive and way farther from home (the drive is not easy and the parking is insane). I know he'd be worth it, but my mom (who is paying my med bills b/c I'm on disability), is not keen on me switching docs again. However, I know what your argument will be, so if you can understand my side of it...it's quite complex.

Plus, what do I do...just give up? The wait list is over a month for him and our funds are LOW. He RX's Metagenics as one of his main supps...I do not react well to that brand. IDK what to do...

On another note, is KOMBUCHA good for people dealing with candida? Or, should I wait to drink this after I'm done with MMS?
https://www.synergydrinks.com/classic...a_classic.aspx

How is coconut milk kefir from SO Delicious?

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https://pureformulas.com/fng-1-oz-by-...ologicals.html
ARROW: How is the above product for homeopathics?
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https://pureformulas.com/fng-1-oz-by-...ologicals.html
ARROW: How is the above product for homeopathics?
I have been to the Deseret Manufacturing plant. I do not like their process of manufacture. Using this remedy just because it is potentized and diluted does not make it a true homeopathic application. This is pseudo homeopathy and most frequently it does not work in a curative manner. I purchased their set of herpes remedies at one time. They did not work on anyone.

I did not see anything about MMS on Sloanes site.
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I did not see anything about MMS on Sloanes site.
This is the thread I was referring to: https://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1863345

can someone answer my question about if KOMBUCHA is beneficial for candida?
https://www.synergydrinks.com/classic...a_classic.aspx

I'm getting really upset b/c nothing has gotten better...if anything, I'm worse because I lost wt.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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I did not see anything about MMS on Sloanes site.
He has nothing on his site about MMS. I did not say that he did. I wanted to show that he is an herbologist and does not promote chemicals. He was just responding to a post on curezone. That is all he has to say about it. His example data mostly shows about chlorine dioxide in larger quantities and one reference where it is in the sun.
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Is this true? John Sloan on curezone said this:

"Just remember not to take fibers with enzymes as most enzymes supplements also contain fiber digesting enzymes that produce more sugar."

Do digestive enzymes produce sugar? That makes zero sense b/c enzymes break things down. Digestive enzymes do NOT produce sugar. I use ReNew Life DigestUltra More. It does NOT produce sugar.

I literally cannot digest without digestive enzymes. I also take HCl. If what he says is true, am I damning myself by taking them? What's an alternative (I cannot do digestive bitters or ACV).
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All carbs break down to sugar. Fibers are excellent prebiotics for your friendly flora. They break down these fibers into sugar and use that as fuel. They must be broken down into sugar. I don't know if the probiotics themselves do this digestion or if enzymes are required. But they must be converted to sugar for the probiotics, and that is what some enzymes do.

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Prebiotics are non-digestible food ingredients that stimulate the growth and/or activity of bacteria in the digestive system in ways claimed to be beneficial to health.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Prebiotic_(nutrition)
The question you should be asking yourself is "why do you need to supplement with digestive enzymes?" Has your body stopped making them, because you have supplied them externally for so long? Does your body make enough stomach acid for your digestion? Zinc and the B vitamins help to produce stomach acid. Without stomach acid, even minerals will not be bio-available for the body.

Digestive bitters will do no good if you don't make enzymes already. They only stimulate the production of enzymes. One of the many functions that they do for you. Digestive bitters also gradually flush the liver. This will make the liver stronger. You put them in your mouth, so they reach the back of your tongue, where the bitter receptors exist. Therefore, you only have to use/swallow a very small amount. Why do you think you can't "do" digestive bitters? Coffee is a bitter, but the caffeine will offset the benefits.
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CRAP. So what do I do? it was recommended to me to take plant-based enzymes.

Should i switch to an animal-derived enzyme, like Pancreatin + ox bile?

Thorne has this type called Bio-Gest:
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Two Capsules Contain:
Betaine Hydrochloride* 480 mg.
L-Glutamic Acid Hydrochloride 480 mg.
Pancreatin (Porcine) 140 mg.
Ox Bile concentrate 80 mg.
Pepsin (Porcine) 70 mg.

Other Ingredients: Hypromellose (derived from cellulose) capsule, Leucine, Silicon Dioxide.

product description: https://www.thorne.com/Products/Gastr.../prd~SD404.jsp

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The question you should be asking yourself is "why do you need to supplement with digestive enzymes?" Has your body stopped making them, because you have supplied them externally for so long? Does your body make enough stomach acid for your digestion? Zinc and the B vitamins help to produce stomach acid. Without stomach acid, even minerals will not be bio-available for the body.
I've depended on them since I was 14 (over 11 years) and I literally cannot digest without them. I've tried "weaning off," but my body won't let me. Plus, I am hypochloric, so HCl helps with the GERD and digestion.

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Digestive bitters will do no good if you don't make enzymes already. They only stimulate the production of enzymes. One of the many functions that they do for you. Digestive bitters also gradually flush the liver. This will make the liver stronger. You put them in your mouth, so they reach the back of your tongue, where the bitter receptors exist. Therefore, you only have to use/swallow a very small amount. Why do you think you can't "do" digestive bitters? Coffee is a bitter, but the caffeine will offset the benefits
Digestive bitters usually contain alcohol, which is usually in corn or grain form...I can't do alcohol. I am also allergic to coffee, as backed by 2 different blood tests.
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Digestive bitters usually contain alcohol, which is usually in corn or grain form...I can't do alcohol. I am also allergic to coffee, as backed by 2 different blood tests.
Not all digestive bitters contain alcohol. https://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Answer...0-ml/8015?at=0 Use half of what is directed.
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Thanks for the link!

can u please explain how these are better than plant- or animal- based enzymes? No one has ever suggested using bitters.....they all just say enzymes.

Why should I use only half? Does the dose amount change depending on the size/type of meal?
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CRAP. So what do I do? it was recommended to me to take plant-based enzymes.

Should i switch to an animal-derived enzyme, like Pancreatin + ox bile?

Thorne has this type called Bio-Gest:
Ingredients
Two Capsules Contain:
Betaine Hydrochloride* 480 mg.
L-Glutamic Acid Hydrochloride 480 mg.
Pancreatin (Porcine) 140 mg.
Ox Bile concentrate 80 mg.
Pepsin (Porcine) 70 mg.

Other Ingredients: Hypromellose (derived from cellulose) capsule, Leucine, Silicon Dioxide.

product description: https://www.thorne.com/Products/Gastr.../prd~SD404.jsp


I've depended on them since I was 14 (over 11 years) and I literally cannot digest without them. I've tried "weaning off," but my body won't let me. Plus, I am hypochloric, so HCl helps with the GERD and digestion.


Digestive bitters usually contain alcohol, which is usually in corn or grain form...I can't do alcohol. I am also allergic to coffee, as backed by 2 different blood tests.
Just curious, are you on a low salt diet? A low salt intake will disrupt the production of HCl in your stomach hence digestion.
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Just curious, are you on a low salt diet? A low salt intake will disrupt the production of HCl in your stomach hence digestion.
Nope. I use a good amount of Celtic Sea Salt on 2 of my meals (I fill a teeny spray bottle with about 1-2 tsp of the salt, then add water. I spray it on my food b/c it's so much easier to spread the salt flavor around than trying to sprinkle it on!)
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Thanks for the link!

can u please explain how these are better than plant- or animal- based enzymes? No one has ever suggested using bitters.....they all just say enzymes.

Why should I use only half? Does the dose amount change depending on the size/type of meal?
Bitters are not enzymes. They do help the body produce enzymes though. But digestive bitters are not digestive enzymes.

https://evenstaronline.com/articles/bitters.html

As I've said before, many times, bitters are meant to be tasted. When the bitter receptors, on the back of the tongue are stimulated, the vagus nerve is stimulated. This enhances the digestive system in so many ways. The first thing this does is to stimulate the release of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. They also help to gently flush the liver. Take as much as you want, just let them linger in the mouth long enough to get a good taste.

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Digestive bitters are one of the best things if not the best thing you can do to help ailing digestion and health. Bitter tasting herbs and foods stimulate the bitter receptors at the back of the tongue which inturn stimulates the vagus nerve which then helps release stomach acid, pancreatic enzymes, bile secretion and also cleanses the liver/gallbladder in the process.

Bitters come in a variety of different types from grape, chinese, swedish, ginger and so on. I prefer the use of grape or chinese although the latter are more hard to find. Any bitter tasting herb will work such as gentain, all you have to do is suck on it for 30 seconds before meals. As bitters cleanse the liver its important to increase your water intake during the day.

https://www.juicingforum.co.uk/digestion.php
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Promoting alkalinity of the digestive tract isnt a wise idea, protein digestion is dependant on sufficient stomach acid(pepsin the protein digesting enzyme is dependant on stomach acid), as is certain minerals and some of the vitamin b group absorbtion. Alkalinity of the digestive tract will also help turn on the candida growth gene turning it from its natural harmless yeast form to the overgrowth fungal form. Some symptoms of low stomach acid are heartburn, bloating, IBS type symptoms, undigested food in stool, gas and nausea.

A common myth that seems to keep getting spread around is that candida is a result of an over-acidic body when actually its rather the opposite. Your beneficial bacteria produce certain acids which keep candida in its normal yeast form.

As we age stomach acid naturally declines which would explain certain nutritional deficiences and other health ailments. One mineral in particular silica which is dependant on stomach acid and is the number one nutrient needed for bone formation could be why osteoporosis is so common in the elderly. Silica has many functions from skin, hair, nails, bones, connective tissue formation and much more.

https://www.juicingforum.co.uk/digestion.php
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As I've said before, many times...
jfh: I appreciate your help, but I can sense some annoyance. I'm sorry if it seems like I ask a lot of questions. I'm new to all of this and I'm trying to learn. My questions help me understand. I'm trying to "play doctor" to myself, since all the practitioners I've seen don't know much more than the general textbook stuff they learned in school. Please have patience. :-)

Have u used bitters before?

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Bitters come in a variety of different types from grape, chinese, swedish, ginger and so on.
What type is most potent? The link u sent me is a tincture. Do u know of any where "all you have to do is suck on it for 30 seconds before meals?"

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Promoting alkalinity of the digestive tract isnt a wise idea, protein digestion is dependant on sufficient stomach acid(pepsin the protein digesting enzyme is dependant on stomach acid), as is certain minerals and some of the vitamin b group absorbtion. Alkalinity of the digestive tract will also help turn on the candida growth gene turning it from its natural harmless yeast form to the overgrowth fungal form. Some symptoms of low stomach acid are heartburn, bloating, IBS type symptoms, undigested food in stool, gas and nausea.

A common myth that seems to keep getting spread around is that candida is a result of an over-acidic body when actually its rather the opposite. Your beneficial bacteria produce certain acids which keep candida in its normal yeast form.
The above quote is exactly my issue. I also have osteoporosis, probably due to alkalinity. I'm very alkaline and IDK how to many my body more acidic? How do I do this? I already take HCl. Would drinking Kombucha help? Kefir? Yogurt? Sauerkraut? Or are these things I should do AFTER the MMS (so that the MMS can focus on killing what's already in my gut and not have to contend with a whole bunch of other bacteria)?

Why do some sources say that Kombucha, Kefir, yogurt, and other fermented foods are BAD when trying to deal with candida?

I hate this big dichotomy in treatment for all of this.
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The following article is on sodium benzoate, which is classified as a food preservative, however, in reality is toxic and causes cancer.

It is used in soda pop to prevent mold. This is very important because as you may or may not know, soda is very acidic. In fact, coffee and soda are tied at 2 on the pH scale, which is indeed very low.

https://www.naturalnews.com/033726_so...te_cancer.html

(NaturalNews) Organic consumers and nutritionists may already know, but the rest of the general population does not know about sodium benzoate. It has the ability to deprive the cells of oxygen, break down the immune system and cause cancer.

This killer is flying under consumer radar with its user friendly tag line, "as a preservative." This silent cell choker has found its way into thousands of products, even foods that are labeled as all natural. But don't be fooled. While benzoic acid is found naturally in low levels in many fruits, the sodium benzoate listed on a product's label is synthesized in a lab.

Derived from a reaction of benzoic acid with sodium hydroxide, sodium benzoate is actually the sodium salt of benzoic acid. Sodium benzoate is a known carcinogenic additive which, when eaten or applied to the skin, gets transported to the liver,where it is supposed to be filtered, and expelled in urine, but the damage gets done before that process is completed.

Sodium benzoate chokes out your body's nutrients at the DNA cellular level by depriving mitochondria cells of oxygen, sometimes completely shutting them down. Just as humans need oxygen to breathe, cells need oxygen to function properly and to fight off infection, including cancer.

The FDA says it's safe because the amount used to preserve foods is very low, but don't ever combine it with vitamin C or E, as this causes benzene to be formed. This is dangerous. Benzene is a known carcinogen, which means it causes cancer.

Okay, so this should be easy. Never, ever mix vitamin C with pickles, peppers, salad dressings, jams, most condiments, vinegar, fruit juices, salsa, dips, shredded cheese, ketchup, or diet or regular soda. Don't forget about mouthwash, toothpaste, cough syrup, cream, lotion, and hundreds of cosmetic products.

So now why is it put in food? It's the cheapest mold inhibiter on the market, so it's all about the money. Acidic foods tend to grow bacteria, mold and yeast more easily than non-acidic foods, so the sodium benzoate extends the shelf life, while it shortens human life.

Cancer is all about the cumulative effect. When the human body is exposed repeatedly to any level of this carcinogen, which rears its ugly head in thousands of products, the immune system, over time, is depleted to the point that one acquires an immune deficiency. Then the body does not have enough essential nutrients to detoxify, and this occurs at the cellular level.Parkinson's, neuro-degenerative diseases, and premature aging have all been attributed to this infamous preservative.

*** The reason I posted this article is two-fold. First, to warn of the dangers of sodium benzoate and also to show that acidity attracts yeast and mold. You don't want your body to be acidic, and you don't want to be overly alkaline either, however, you do want to be somewhat alkaline, with a pH of over 7 for sure.

Do some research on body pH, being acidic etc..
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