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One 8 oz bottle isn't enough.

Depending on your condition, you would need a gallon or more..That is why you should buy your own colloidal silver generator for a couple hundred bucks, then all you need to buy is distilled water, which is cheap.

I don't understand how people can pay thousands of dollars to doctors who don't cure them, but instead prescribe antibiotics and steroids, that end up making the problem worse.

My advice to you and all your fellow prostate sufferers is to get yourself a good quality colloidal silver generator so that you can cure yourself and all your family members for years to come. There are a thousand uses for colloidal silver, and the big pharma companies know it, that is why they are pushing the government toward banning it just like any other good natural product that works... and they will succeed eventually because politician's votes are bought and sold every day.

98% of the people who suffer from prostate issues can be easily cured (or greatly helped) by simply changing to a phase one (candida) diet, and supplementing with natural antifungals such as colloidal silver, olive leaf extract, probiotics, and oil of oregano, while avoiding the things that make the problems worse, such as sugar, simple carbs, alcohol, antibiotics, fluoride, steroids, and advice from your average urologist.

This is where I bought my colloidal silver generator from a couple years ago, after much research:

https://www.silverlungs.com/
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In August 1999, the FDA banned colloidal silver sellers from claiming any therapeutic or preventive value for the product, noting colloidal silver was being marketed for numerous diseases without evidence of safety or effectiveness.[48] As a result, the product now has the status of a dietary supplement in the US; it can be promoted with general "structure-function" claims, but cannot be marketed as preventing or treating any illness.[48] Following this ruling, the FDA has issued numerous Warning Letters to Internet sites that have continued to promote colloidal silver as an antibiotic or for other medical purposes


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Silver was once used as an oral antibiotic and also
Silver also kills bacteria in external wounds in living tissue, so physicians use wound dressings containing silver sulfadiazine (Ag-SD) or silver nanomaterials to treat external infections.[1][2][3][4][5] Wound dressings containing silver are increasing in importance due to the recent increase of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, such as MRSA.[6] The disinfectant properties of silver are used in medical applications, such as urinary catheters and endotracheal breathing tubes, where the silver content is effective in reducing incidences of catheter-related urinary tract infections and ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP), respectively.[7][8][9][10] Silver is also used in bone prostheses, reconstructive orthopaedic surgery and cardiac devices,[11] as well as on surfaces and fabrics to reduce the spread of infection.


Interesting, silver is used for all of that stuff above, but the government doesn't want you using it as an oral antibiotic nor selling it with any indication that it can be used to kill bacteria. I smell government cover up here ..... truth of the matter is when you are dealing with those bacteria that eat holes in your skin, do you know what is used ? doyxycline? ciprofloxacin ? levaquin ? No those antibiotics are worthless and won't kill open wound bacteria, which shows how weak the FDA approved antibiotics are. What is generally used is silver and maggot therapy where maggots eat the dead skin and its bacteria. Also a woman had MRSA on her face and was given surface disinfectant , why not pills ? Because pills are weak and are becoming more and more ineffective by the day

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Guy with e coli notices improvement on diflucan anti-fungal drug

https://www.medhelp.org/posts/Urology...is/show/226667

fungal infection can mimic prostatitis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16930504

If steroids make your symptoms worse then you definitely have something alive and living inside your prostate causing your symptoms, be it virus, bacteria, fungus, etc. Also the fact that a steroid would make symptoms worse rules out 2 conditions in which we know prostatitis for that specific individual is not caused by pure inflammation, nor is caused by an auto immune disease, as steroids are recommended treatment for both.So in my personal opinion for a steroid such as prednisone to have such a reaction as to make the condition worse, their has to be something alive and colonizing the prostate.

https://www.cancer.org/Treatment/Trea...ugs/prednisone

https://www.drugs.com/prednisone.html

And I must stress again, even though I sound like a broken record, there are places in the prostate where an organism can hide and colonize. Such as hidden chambers, ducts, buried beneath prostate stones,and yes even in the tiny acini sacs of the prostate.And also if biofilm is present the organism will grow at a very very slow rate compared to planktonic bacteria which spread rapidly. And a patient needs to notice affects of a drug in his system, and the difference between an anti inflammatory effect
and a drug actually working. An anti inflammatory effect would be signs of burning settling down or disappearing while on a drug, but in my opinion if an individual is getting erections back, orgasm back, ejaculation becomes stronger, etc. Then in my opinion the drug working has indicated what you have inside your body doing this. And yes the majority of our growing community has a hatred for antibiotics, mainly because most of the time they don't do anything for us. But if you happen on some drugs that are having amazing effects you may be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out what that urologist could not figure out for you. Also my former urologist once told me he see about 100 patients a week. Now that is a lot of patients, so I thought about this, lets say the average urologist sees 100 patients a week, do you honestly think that a man so busy will take the time to understand your case or to understand the disease more than the person suffering the disease ? The answer of course would be no, in fact a urologist might give you a couple of go arounds of medication and if his tests that are often full of errors to being with doesn't find anything, Then it is at this point the disease is now considered to be all in the patients head and it is at this point the urologist abandons you and refuses you any further medical treatment
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After reading that article Sparky it seems unlikely it's pelvic floor issues because my pain takes place in one of two places only:

The muscles of the shaft of my penis: Feels like inflammation/swelling tension. This occurs almost everyday all day and gets increasingly worse the longer I go without ejaculation. Ejaculation, if held off for a few days, will relieve this for a day but then the cycle repeats. If done too often my testicles will really ache and the shaft tension will get worse or not be relieved at all.

The tip of my urethra: A burning feeling right at the tip. Since I was a child I would get this occasionally (maybe once or twice year) after a urination. The difference is when I was a kid up until about mid august (last time this happened) it would only last a minute or two but would be incredibly intense to where I'd just lay down and grit my teeth til it ended. Now I'll have days where it lasts all day but it's milder (if it was as intense as previously mentioned I would've killed myself by now). This too can be relieved by ejaculation sometimes. This isn't as frequent as the muscle tension symptom. It may only last one day usually.

Other symptoms to note: My scrotum sack doesn't hang like it used to. It spends most the time close up to my body and tight.

During the worst of this (the first two months) urine would mix with my semen. I think this has resolved itself but maybe not completely.

There's been semen changes since this as well: doesn't shoot out as much and is more watery.

If I push on the right side of my bladder or pelvic region near the bladder the urge to urinate intensifies. It intensifies the chronic discomfort I have. If I push on the left side it does not intensify it at all.

Lifting weights the other day I noticed that while I was lifting the weight the right side of my pelvic region near where the inside thigh meets the groin there was a sharp sensation.

My thought on cause: I built a new mt bike this summer and noticed the last couple rides that the saddle was applying pressure to a certain part between my groin and rectum. I remember my last ride thinking to myself that I need to adjust the seat before my next ride. This new saddle could've been the culprit. I also had a pretty high speed wipeout during that last ride and that may have jarred things or strained some type of muscle down there as my body probably tensed up as I flew off. The saddle was also high and I had to really stretch over to get up onto it.

But other than those two types of pain that I mentioned there's no other types. No pain in the pelvic region, just the tip and the shaft. So not too sure it could be pelvic floor dysfunction but I dunno.

The muscles at the shaft of your penis are called the Bulbocavernosus (sometimes referred to as Bulbospongiosus), as well as the Ischiocavernosus and Superficial Transverse Perineal Muscle. Both These muscles are very much a part of your pelvic floor, and play an active role in urination, ejaculation, erection, etc. These muscles actually make up the beginning of the shaft of your penis, which begins inside your body, which you cannot see on the outside as well as the perineum (which is where we experience pain and right away the doctors jump to conclusions diagnosing prostatitis). These muscles protrude from the pelvic floor to make up the base of your penis. The reason you're probably having pain the next day after ejaculation is probably due to spasm of the Bulbocavernosus muscle and/or the Ischiocavernosus muscle. I am currently dealing with the exact same situation. In fact, I'm beginning to think years of masturbation (for long periods of time, also known as delaying ejaculation), as well as an active sex life and prolonged cycling (I too rode many, many miles on my mountain bike), have caused an overuse injury in the aforementioned muscles, as well as causing my other pelvic muscles to possibly spasm as a result. Let's not forget that our Pudendal Nerve innervates most of the pelvic floor muscles, including the ones I mentioned before. Burning in the tip of the urethra could most definitely be an infection, but if you have had negative urine cultures, I doubt you have one. Other things that can cause burning in the tip of the urethra are dehydration (everyone experiences this, especially the morning after a night out drinking), muscle spasms in muscles such as the Bulbocavernosus (seeing as this muscle sits within close proximity to the urethra and one of its main jobs is to push residual urine out upon completion of urination), and nerve irritation from either an entrapment (which is rare), or irritation (which is common due to hypertonic/spasming pelvic floor muscles).

In case you aren't aware, erection requires that the muscles I mentioned before, contract, thus blocking the outward flow of blood from the vessels of the penis. This is the first step in the so-called "tension", but is completely normal. Upon ejaculating, these muscles contract intensely with a specific rhythm to force the semen out of the urethra. Also normal, but none the less, more tension, and if these muscles are tired, overused, or injured, this could mean spasm later on.

I could go on forever trying to explain this to you, but I'd rather just say I had all of your symptoms. I had the burning not only in the tip of my urethra, but throughout the whole thing, as if a hot screwdriver was being forced inside it. I had the difficulty with ejaculation, as well as the watery semen, both of which are back to normal. I might add that the consistency of your semen is influenced greatly by your diet, as well as the intervals between ejaculation. Even the most normal of men will likely produce watery semen if they ejaculate too frequently.

I still get the pain the day after ejaculation, unfortunately. But I think this is one of the final pieces to my puzzle. I have come so far with improving, yet I haven't done all I should, so I suspect. Rather, I should have rested. By this I mean not ejaculating so frequently. In fact, all these urologists kept telling me to ejaculate very frequently, especially while on antibiotics. This was probably a bad idea. I never gave these key muscles a chance to fully relax and heal. After all, injuries can be healed, and if you tore your ACL or rotator cuff, you wouldn't be at the gym the next day on the treadmill or doing military presses. So my plan now is to try and abstain for a month, maybe even more, especially while I'm continuing to go to physical therapy, and let these bastardly muscles heal, so I can get to where I plan to be, back at 100%. You must understand, our pelvic floor muscles, aside from just a few others such as our heart, never truly relax completely. They are always busy, whether it be keeping you from leaking your urine, walking, defecating, or having sex, etc. And the latter most thing, sex, is by far their most intense job, and when overdone, could be harmful I believe. After all, we aren't designed to be having orgasms as frequently as society has deemed acceptable. You don't see lions or bears jerking off on the discovery channel. We too are designed with a purpose and specific way of behaving, just like other animals. And also, I strongly believe that 95% of these cases are some type of trauma or injury to the pelvic muscles. The other 5% are probably infectious, and I'd say 95% of those 5% are "acute" prostatitis. Believe it or not, healthy men with no symptoms have been found to have bacteria in their prostatic fluid.

Take it how you want it, but I thought I'd share, and especially let you know that these muscles you are complaining of, are in fact part of your pelvic floor, very much so.

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The reason you're probably having pain the next day after ejaculation is probably due to spasm of the Bulbocavernosus muscle and/or the Ischiocavernosus muscle. Burning in the tip of the urethra could most definitely be an infection, but if you have had negative urine cultures, I doubt you have one.
Pain after ejaculation and tip of urethra burning are both the hallmark symptoms of CPPS. True that urethra burning can also be an infection but again it could very well be CPPS.


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Rather, I should have rested. By this I mean not ejaculating so frequently. In fact, all these urologists kept telling me to ejaculate very frequently, especially while on antibiotics. This was probably a bad idea. I never gave these key muscles a chance to fully relax and heal.
Uros say that because in their minds this is most likely an infection. For the last 8 months I have been ejaculating once or very rarely twice a week at most and I think this has played a key role in my own improvement. However this is not enough I think. If I am not mistaken and from what you wrote in the past it seems that you follow the clinic of Amy Stein in NY. My understanding is that she follows the Wise-Anderson protocol but strangely enough her book is missing two key parts of their protocol: 1) Relaxation and 2) Internal Therapy. I am not doing the internal therapy because I cannot find a specialized clinic here for that. However, I am focusing a lot on the relaxation part and working hard with the mind to focus and relax the pelvic muscles. I think this protocol has slim chances of achieving a complete recovery if some form of relaxation is not religiously included in the daily schedule. From what you are saying it seems that you are missing this key component. Wise-Anderson talks about paradoxical relaxation however meditation works just as well. You read plenty of successful stories in the chronicprostatitis site of people improving or being cured through deep relaxation and meditation. There is no way I would have reached the stage I am finding myself today (only current symptom I have is mild discomfort in the right pelvic area) without doing meditation and stretching.

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You must understand, our pelvic floor muscles, aside from just a few others such as our heart, never truly relax completely. They are always busy, whether it be keeping you from leaking your urine, walking, defecating, or having sex, etc. And the latter most thing, sex, is by far their most intense job, and when overdone, could be harmful I believe.
I was surprised to find out that those muscles do not fully rest even when we sleep as they have to perform other tasks related to sphincter functions for bladder and anus. Men also always get a few night erections which further makes those muscles work at a time when they should be resting. This is why we need to consciously do our best to relax those overworked muscles when we are awake.
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Pain after ejaculation and tip of urethra burning are both the hallmark symptoms of CPPS. True that urethra burning can also be an infection but again it could very well be CPPS.



Uros say that because in their minds this is most likely an infection. For the last 8 months I have been ejaculating once or very rarely twice a week at most and I think this has played a key role in my own improvement. If I am not mistaken and from what you wrote in the past it seems that you follow the clinic of Amy Stein in NY. My understanding is that she follows the Wise-Anderson protocol but strangely enough her book is missing two key parts of their protocol: 1) Relaxation and 2) Internal Therapy. I am not doing the internal therapy because I cannot find a specialized clinic here for that. However, I am focusing a lot on the relaxation part and working hard with the mind to focus and relax the pelvic muscles. I think this protocol has slim chances of achieving a complete recovery if some form of relaxation is not religiously included in the daily schedule. From what you are saying it seems that you are missing this key component. Wise-Anderson talks about paradoxical relaxation however meditation works just as well. You read plenty of successful stories in the chronicprostatitis site of people improving or being cured through deep relaxation and meditation. There is no way I would have reached the stage I am finding myself today (only current symptom I have is mild discomfort in the right pelvic area) without doing meditation and stretching.


I was surprised to find out that those muscles do not even fully rest even when we sleep as they have to perform other tasks related to sphincter functions for bladder and anus. Men also always get a few night erections which further makes those muscles work at the time when they should be resting. This is why we need to consciously do our best to relax those overworked muscles when we are awake.
Yes I do follow what is practiced at Amy's clinic. In fact I go there for therapy and. An assure you that my therapist does internal therapy every visit. She has also stressed the relaxation aspect as well but it's something that is not easily done nor understood. I think my problem is probably due to an overuse of the muscles I mentioned earlier as well as long distance biking. Truth is, it takes a long time to narrow down the symptoms and figure this out and it takes a long time to heal too. But the body is resilient so one must be patient.
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Have any of you guys tried Lysine? It's an amino acid. I started taking it and it seems to be helping a lot. It has taken a lot of the edge off, I felt a huge difference about 4 hours after taking the first pill. I've read that it's normally used for Herpes, etc, however I don't seem to have that. Took blood test for it and it was negative and have not had any symptoms aside from burning in scrotum. Lysine also reduces anxiety and helps treat pain conditions, so it may just help with the pain, but I gotta say that it has improved my urination a lot too, I'm no longer having problems with flow. I gotta tell ya, I feel better with it now, not cured, but better, almost tolerable. I've been taking two a day, once in the morning and in the evening. I noticed my scrotum doesn't burn at times, I'm thinking of increasing the dose, since right now I'm only taking 500mg per pill equalling 1000mg a day, but I was reading that your body can take up to around 3000mg. So Idk. Do you guys think this could be viral? It would explain how docs can't find the culprit. However, most viral conditions come and go and what I have, and what most of us seem to have in common is that the problem is constant. In addition, contraire to most, antibiotics make me feel normal when I'm on them, my energy returns to full and I no longer have skin, urination problems, however the burning in the testicals remains, even though it seems to very slowly start subsiding after several weeks on them. I only used Cipro for 4 weeks and they have been the best time I've had since I started with this. I'd really like to try Cipro for longer periods but it's been kinda hard to convince docs to do it. Currently in limbo, but I'd thought to let you guys no about Lysine in case you guys hadn't tried it. I've been taking it for about 3 weeks now.
I have taken lysine for two days now.....same result.
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For my fellow sufferers who have been through the fires of hell with this disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhUjCyOtPQ

I want you to tell that doctor "I am a human being god damn it, my life has value, and I am mad as hell and I am not going to take this anymore"

Its time to stop being pushed, now its time for you to start pushing back .
You are a human that doctor may view you as dog sh*t on the bottom of his shoe, its time to stand up pound that fist and get mad as hell !!!!!!!!
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For my fellow sufferers who have been through the fires of hell with this disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhUjCyOtPQ

I want you to tell that doctor "I am a human being god damn it, my life has value, and I am mad as hell and I am not going to take this anymore"

Its time to stop being pushed, now its time for you to start pushing back .
You are a human that doctor may view you as dog sh*t on the bottom of his shoe, its time to stand up pound that fist and get mad as hell !!!!!!!!
Funny but you cannot ask something from someone who is unable to give it to you. The main problem with most uros is not that they do not want to help you (ok this also happens but not too often I think) but they simply do not know how. However it is fair to get angry and mad at them for completely failing to keep updated with latest research and news. Most uros treat prostatitis empirically and using whatever knowledge they earned at university. They keep using the same old outdated methods despite their high failure rates. So this video needs to be modified If I were the guy in the video I would print a few latest research papers and throw them in their face pissed as hell
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The tension I mentioned, I forgot to mention, also always seemed like potential "microspasms" I would thin of them. They didn't feel like the were spasming in an extreme sense but like they were spasming at such a high frequency that it translated as a tension or inflammation.

Pyridium, an antispasmodic, always helped a lot as well.

I keep a daily log of void times, volume, color, good days, b.m., ejaculations, semen characteristics, morning erections and I'm starting to notice that holding off on ejaculation until I start to get one of the two types of discomfort I mentioned in a previous post brings relief. I'll typically have a normal day the next day. But I can't go long without ejac because the discomfort will increase by the day. The normal days are starting to become more frequent though now.

Morning erections are now starting to come back here and there. Sometimes strong but usually weak and brief. Last night my scrotum hung normally and wasn't retracted like it constantly is. I'm beginning to get hopeful again but it seems like once you get hopeful you get hit with pain again.

But there seems to be a correlation with ejaculation here though.
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does anyone notice gel like beads/colonies in their urine? Since being infected I've noticed them if I don't flush at night. they seem to come and go randomly and usually coincides with flareups.
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does anyone notice gel like beads/colonies in their urine? Since being infected I've noticed them if I don't flush at night. they seem to come and go randomly and usually coincides with flareups.
hmm interesting, I read something last night that made me cringe
a guy that was said to have non bacterial prostatitis and was accused it was all in his head. He had some ultra sounds done and he had major sh*t messed up, like his semen vesciles was all swollen up and blocked and he had some kind of swollen nodules , anyway he went into detail about it and it scared the hell out of me reading this. He started getting prostate injections from a dr bahn and talked about how things were now returning to normal in his prostate. and this is a guy in the same boat as us, all in his head, nothing wrong with him, non bacterial prostatitis and turns out from what I was reading he had an infection in their doing that to him.

still scared as hell from reading that last night. it might be a good idea for everybody who has not had an ultra sound of their prostate to get one to make sure nothing to serious is going on inside your prostate

Let me state even if you subscribe to the theory you pulled a muscle in your pelvic muscle or some crap like that, please get an ultra sound of your prostate, don't let your own arrogance blind you.....
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PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION

I NEED TO GET AN ULTRA SOUND OF PROSTATE AT THE HOSPITAL, I HAVE ALREADY BEEN TURNED OVER TO A COLLECTION AGENCY BECAUSE I COULD NOT PAY FOR THE $1300 FOR THE CT PELVIC SCAN THEIR. WILL THEY ALLOW ME TO GET A RECTAL ULTRASOUND THEIR OR WHEN I GET OVER THEIR TELL ME TO LEAVE AND NOT ALLOW ME TO HAVE ONE. I WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE PROSTATE ULTRA SOUND EITHER, AS I HAVE NO MONEY, CAN'T WORK, AND CAN'T GET ANY INSURANCE ......
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I some what agree with sparky. Not only does ejaculation cause a lot of muscles in your pelvic area to tense up, but the ejaculat itself also takes valueable vitamins, minerals, and energy for your body to produce. Read /f33/24143-eastern-ancient-guide-men-women-sex.html
I have stopped any kind of ejaculation for at least two weeks or more at a time. I have also been falling the healing program on this website https://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/ and so far I have had bad days and good days, but some of the good days have been the best I have had in over a year, and I have tried a lot of stuff.
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I some what agree with sparky. Not only does ejaculation cause a lot of muscles in your pelvic area to tense up, but the ejaculat itself also takes valueable vitamins, minerals, and energy for your body to produce. Read https://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=24143
I have stopped any kind of ejaculation for at least two weeks or more at a time. I have also been falling the healing program on this website https://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/ and so far I have had bad days and good days, but some of the good days have been the best I have had in over a year, and I have tried a lot of stuff.
ejaculation makes mine worse. I try to stay away from doing that as it aggravates it. some people state they get relief from ejaculating I am the opposite
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The muscles at the shaft of your penis are called the Bulbocavernosus (sometimes referred to as Bulbospongiosus), as well as the Ischiocavernosus and Superficial Transverse Perineal Muscle. Both These muscles are very much a part of your pelvic floor, and play an active role in urination, ejaculation, erection, etc. These muscles actually make up the beginning of the shaft of your penis, which begins inside your body, which you cannot see on the outside as well as the perineum (which is where we experience pain and right away the doctors jump to conclusions diagnosing prostatitis). These muscles protrude from the pelvic floor to make up the base of your penis. The reason you're probably having pain the next day after ejaculation is probably due to spasm of the Bulbocavernosus muscle and/or the Ischiocavernosus muscle. I am currently dealing with the exact same situation. In fact, I'm beginning to think years of masturbation (for long periods of time, also known as delaying ejaculation), as well as an active sex life and prolonged cycling (I too rode many, many miles on my mountain bike), have caused an overuse injury in the aforementioned muscles, as well as causing my other pelvic muscles to possibly spasm as a result. Let's not forget that our Pudendal Nerve innervates most of the pelvic floor muscles, including the ones I mentioned before. Burning in the tip of the urethra could most definitely be an infection, but if you have had negative urine cultures, I doubt you have one. Other things that can cause burning in the tip of the urethra are dehydration (everyone experiences this, especially the morning after a night out drinking), muscle spasms in muscles such as the Bulbocavernosus (seeing as this muscle sits within close proximity to the urethra and one of its main jobs is to push residual urine out upon completion of urination), and nerve irritation from either an entrapment (which is rare), or irritation (which is common due to hypertonic/spasming pelvic floor muscles).

In case you aren't aware, erection requires that the muscles I mentioned before, contract, thus blocking the outward flow of blood from the vessels of the penis. This is the first step in the so-called "tension", but is completely normal. Upon ejaculating, these muscles contract intensely with a specific rhythm to force the semen out of the urethra. Also normal, but none the less, more tension, and if these muscles are tired, overused, or injured, this could mean spasm later on.

I could go on forever trying to explain this to you, but I'd rather just say I had all of your symptoms. I had the burning not only in the tip of my urethra, but throughout the whole thing, as if a hot screwdriver was being forced inside it. I had the difficulty with ejaculation, as well as the watery semen, both of which are back to normal. I might add that the consistency of your semen is influenced greatly by your diet, as well as the intervals between ejaculation. Even the most normal of men will likely produce watery semen if they ejaculate too frequently.

I still get the pain the day after ejaculation, unfortunately. But I think this is one of the final pieces to my puzzle. I have come so far with improving, yet I haven't done all I should, so I suspect. Rather, I should have rested. By this I mean not ejaculating so frequently. In fact, all these urologists kept telling me to ejaculate very frequently, especially while on antibiotics. This was probably a bad idea. I never gave these key muscles a chance to fully relax and heal. After all, injuries can be healed, and if you tore your ACL or rotator cuff, you wouldn't be at the gym the next day on the treadmill or doing military presses. So my plan now is to try and abstain for a month, maybe even more, especially while I'm continuing to go to physical therapy, and let these bastardly muscles heal, so I can get to where I plan to be, back at 100%. You must understand, our pelvic floor muscles, aside from just a few others such as our heart, never truly relax completely. They are always busy, whether it be keeping you from leaking your urine, walking, defecating, or having sex, etc. And the latter most thing, sex, is by far their most intense job, and when overdone, could be harmful I believe. After all, we aren't designed to be having orgasms as frequently as society has deemed acceptable. You don't see lions or bears jerking off on the discovery channel. We too are designed with a purpose and specific way of behaving, just like other animals. And also, I strongly believe that 95% of these cases are some type of trauma or injury to the pelvic muscles. The other 5% are probably infectious, and I'd say 95% of those 5% are "acute" prostatitis. Believe it or not, healthy men with no symptoms have been found to have bacteria in their prostatic fluid.

Take it how you want it, but I thought I'd share, and especially let you know that these muscles you are complaining of, are in fact part of your pelvic floor, very much so.

-Sparky
SPARKY

Why I can not prescribe to all of this being caused by pelvic muscles.

1.Why would a muscle pull or weak muscle cause fever and chills ? It wouldn't

2. Your bladder is behind your pelvic muscle and the pelvic muscle is cut open when a prostate is removed in prostatectomy. David wise who is the big wig behind this theory whom I might add once stated that prostatitis is no more painful than the common cold, is wrong. I say the reason for pelvic pain is not the pelvic its self but bladder spasms. In fact I had a ct pelvic scan which showed my pelvic area is 100 % fine even though pain is coming from their. The fact it burns to urinate despite not having a UTI while having prostatitis, shows the bladder is involved. It is bladder spams
which you are feeling, which the bladder is located under neath the pelvic region

3. You state it is not the prostate but pure pelvic floor, the reason a man can even ejaculate is the prostate , if I took your prostate out tomorrow you would never been able to ejaculate ever again, the prostate is the reason a man can ejaculate, and if men are having ejaculatory problems it is of course the prostate. But your theory is none of us have prostate problems it is all pelvic muscle problems. I say nonsense !

4. A simple ultra sound of the prostate in any one with chronic prostatitis who is experiencing erection difficulty, will show lack of blood flow to the prostate which again contradicts the theory of it was just pelvic muscle problems and nothing more.

5. This would be like telling a man puking, with a high fever, chills and cancer that he can be cured by doing 25 push ups a day.

6. You can't cause all of this from having to much sex, or ejaculating to often that is impossible. But once this starts and the prostate is sick the reason not ejaculating would help is because the muscles of the prostate contract during ejaculation, by not ejaculating and forcing the prostate to contract, it would help that prostate to relax.

7. I saw a list that said reasons for prostatitis are eating junk food, lack of fresh air, stress, etc. I think beliefs like this are garbage. eating junk food is not going to cause prostatitis if it did , why are not all the 400 lb over weight fat people of the world having prostatitis or pelvic problems ?
fresh air ???? okay why are not all the men of the world not breathing enough fresh air having this. Stress their are people who have high levels of stressful jobs and stress daily and men so depressed to the point of suicide but they are never having any of this prostate, or as you say pelvic muscle problems. same goes for all of these supplements people take on here like allimax, broccoli etc. one minute they say it is helping them then a few posts later they are still in the exact pain before the pills, this is nothing more than a placebo effect, an individual reading something and getting in his mind if I take this it will work for me. Just like all of these herbal websites that have convinced people to take these herbal crap in a bottle, as some miracle pill. I might half way agree with colloidal silver because it was once used as an antibiotic and it can kill bacteria, but the rest of the stuff is just to rip off unsuspecting people who fall for anything.

8. Men in whom no infection were ever found, who had their prostates taken out have been cured. But why ? They should still be hurting after all its not the prostate, its just the pelvic muscles.

9. I have had bladder infections man in the past, and when i had a bladder infection, the pelvic area hurts ? Your theory would be pelvic floor dysfunction, which be incorrect. As this was an e coli bladder infection that was cured with antibiotics, as I stated the bladder lays right under the pelvic muscles. Hence what I have been saying, bladder spasms.

10. You stated that infection does not cause prostatitis as most men commonly have bacteria in their prostate fluid. That is not true, the prostatic fluid is generally sterile. That makes as much sense as saying the urine of most men have e coli bacteria in it, which would make no sense.
e coli comes from the feces in the small intestine and colon. So you are telling me that men generally have feces (turd) bacteria in their bladders and prostate and that is normal and healthy ? You are the one who said it not me

11. you told everybody you had an std, so now you don't have an std you just flexed your stomach and injured your pelvic muscles ?


12. The only individual I ever heard of who injured the pudendal nerve,
was an over weight guy who tried to do the splits.

You're beating a dead horse sparky


meaning you believe that everything is a waste of time as the outcome has already been decided by you that it is every bodies pelvic muscles.
By believing so you have closed your mind to any thought process other then what david wise says .......

And yes reply, I know you love talking about the pelvic floor and telling people they are wrong.
So I am eager for a discussion on this
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