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A very recent paper demonstrating the role of mast cells (myoneurological aspect of CPPS)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22341813
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The effect of biofeedback physical therapy in men with Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome Type III.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15826751


Biofeedback, pelvic floor re-education, and bladder training for male chronic pelvic pain syndrome.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11113739


Excessive antibiotic use in men with prostatitis.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18456041
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:48 PM
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By the way i want to add that one of the commonest ways to get prostatitis is by holding your bladder in at night and waiting to long to urinate. I had this happen to me in the past I would be sleeping and I really need to piss and Zi would sleep way to long and end up with prostatitis that would easily be knocked out by a few days of cipro. My dad who is in his 50s told me that when he is moving around heavy lumber at work and has a full bladder he always ends up with acute prostatitis. Reason of course being the bladder becomes full and some the urine passes out of it and works its way down into the prostate irritating it and causing an inflammation of some sort

Prostatitis videos on Prostatectomy


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After reading that article Sparky it seems unlikely it's pelvic floor issues because my pain takes place in one of two places only:

The muscles of the shaft of my penis: Feels like inflammation/swelling tension. This occurs almost everyday all day and gets increasingly worse the longer I go without ejaculation. Ejaculation, if held off for a few days, will relieve this for a day but then the cycle repeats. If done too often my testicles will really ache and the shaft tension will get worse or not be relieved at all.

The tip of my urethra: A burning feeling right at the tip. Since I was a child I would get this occasionally (maybe once or twice year) after a urination. The difference is when I was a kid up until about mid august (last time this happened) it would only last a minute or two but would be incredibly intense to where I'd just lay down and grit my teeth til it ended. Now I'll have days where it lasts all day but it's milder (if it was as intense as previously mentioned I would've killed myself by now). This too can be relieved by ejaculation sometimes. This isn't as frequent as the muscle tension symptom. It may only last one day usually.

Other symptoms to note: My scrotum sack doesn't hang like it used to. It spends most the time close up to my body and tight.

During the worst of this (the first two months) urine would mix with my semen. I think this has resolved itself but maybe not completely.

There's been semen changes since this as well: doesn't shoot out as much and is more watery.

If I push on the right side of my bladder or pelvic region near the bladder the urge to urinate intensifies. It intensifies the chronic discomfort I have. If I push on the left side it does not intensify it at all.

Lifting weights the other day I noticed that while I was lifting the weight the right side of my pelvic region near where the inside thigh meets the groin there was a sharp sensation.

My thought on cause: I built a new mt bike this summer and noticed the last couple rides that the saddle was applying pressure to a certain part between my groin and rectum. I remember my last ride thinking to myself that I need to adjust the seat before my next ride. This new saddle could've been the culprit. I also had a pretty high speed wipeout during that last ride and that may have jarred things or strained some type of muscle down there as my body probably tensed up as I flew off. The saddle was also high and I had to really stretch over to get up onto it.

But other than those two types of pain that I mentioned there's no other types. No pain in the pelvic region, just the tip and the shaft. So not too sure it could be pelvic floor dysfunction but I dunno.
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Just an update on my status. Semen and urine culture is clear. It is the
non bacterial prostatitis symptoms treatment that follows.

I still have symptoms, but it seems that they are milder.
Recently added Tumeric supplements and saw palmeto and stinging nettle.

I was thinking of getting some coloidal silver water. Some really positive views - worth giving a try. Check out:
https://www.prostate-massage-and-heal...ver-Water.html

Hope it resolves by burning itself out someday, as experts like to say.

Keeping on the fight. I will be healthy again, my persistency shall prevail.
Best of luck
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:34 AM
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After reading that article Sparky it seems unlikely it's pelvic floor issues because my pain takes place in one of two places only:

The muscles of the shaft of my penis: Feels like inflammation/swelling tension. This occurs almost everyday all day and gets increasingly worse the longer I go without ejaculation. Ejaculation, if held off for a few days, will relieve this for a day but then the cycle repeats. If done too often my testicles will really ache and the shaft tension will get worse or not be relieved at all.

The tip of my urethra: A burning feeling right at the tip. Since I was a child I would get this occasionally (maybe once or twice year) after a urination. The difference is when I was a kid up until about mid august (last time this happened) it would only last a minute or two but would be incredibly intense to where I'd just lay down and grit my teeth til it ended. Now I'll have days where it lasts all day but it's milder (if it was as intense as previously mentioned I would've killed myself by now). This too can be relieved by ejaculation sometimes. This isn't as frequent as the muscle tension symptom. It may only last one day usually.

Other symptoms to note: My scrotum sack doesn't hang like it used to. It spends most the time close up to my body and tight.

During the worst of this (the first two months) urine would mix with my semen. I think this has resolved itself but maybe not completely.

There's been semen changes since this as well: doesn't shoot out as much and is more watery.

If I push on the right side of my bladder or pelvic region near the bladder the urge to urinate intensifies. It intensifies the chronic discomfort I have. If I push on the left side it does not intensify it at all.

Lifting weights the other day I noticed that while I was lifting the weight the right side of my pelvic region near where the inside thigh meets the groin there was a sharp sensation.

My thought on cause: I built a new mt bike this summer and noticed the last couple rides that the saddle was applying pressure to a certain part between my groin and rectum. I remember my last ride thinking to myself that I need to adjust the seat before my next ride. This new saddle could've been the culprit. I also had a pretty high speed wipeout during that last ride and that may have jarred things or strained some type of muscle down there as my body probably tensed up as I flew off. The saddle was also high and I had to really stretch over to get up onto it.

But other than those two types of pain that I mentioned there's no other types. No pain in the pelvic region, just the tip and the shaft. So not too sure it could be pelvic floor dysfunction but I dunno.
You have my sympathy jimijams. This disease has made me a complete basket case at this point, as many of the users could testify from a lot of my angry posts. My father loves to go fishing in the summer and he wants me to go with him this summer, as we haven't done this in a while. I can't say no, but I am scared to death to go, because I will have to sit and I am in so much pain that I can not set at all. I woke up with the worst anal pain I have ever had earlier, felt like my a$$hole was being ripped apart from the inside and the burning, I have never felt that level of burning and pain before with it and ended up screaming over and over from pain and anger, I'm sure my neighbors even heard me cursing and yelling........


As their is nothing else I can do but go to the family doctor and he just tells me sorry nothing I can do for you, you'll just have to live with it. I started to reach for my shotgun and had the box of shells in my hand , but I just put them back, collapsed onto the floor and punched the floor over and over again and cried for for another 15 minutes over the disease I am suffering and over the debt collectors after me from unpaid medical bills that I can not afford. No doubt I am getting worse over time with this, I should be getting to one of those clinics I posted about or somewhere to do something, but at this point I don't have a nickle to my name. The burning and pain started around 8 Am and finally settled down a little bit After 11 Am. This disease is hell, during the episode of pain this morning thoughts entered my head of visiting my family doctor , going on a rant, yelling, grabbing him by the shirt collar and telling him he either gives me an IV or I kick the living sh*t out of him. I surely can not be the only one this angry and frustrated for lack of medical care can I ?

What an awful disease I tell ya. Gerry the paraplegic krongrad treated and took his prostate out who had an accident and was paralyzed and couldn't walk anymore. Said that his prostatitis was even worse than the injury that paralyzed him.

I know my prostatitis is not caused by the pudendal nerve, because I never suffered an injury or tensed my pelvic region or any of that stuff. Mine was from drinking a protein powder that I apparently had a severe allergic reaction to that done something to me, whether it caused a massive inflammation or infection or something along those lines.
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Man that really sucks to hear Harry, I've had pain like that with my galbladder where I was just yelling and punching things. Gal attacks last several hours.

For the rectal pain I'd shop around for a doctor who's interested in treating your pain at the very least. They may be able to prescribe vicodin which basically handles any pain you throw at it.

It really messes up the quality of life though. So man things people take for granted like simply sitting somewhere (work, school, car, church etc) for a period of time without thinking "am I going to be able to do this without having to take a piss or be in pain?"

At this point I'm preparing to make an appointment with a doctor who'll actually listen and I'm also trying to extend the time between urinating to at least 3 hours. Some days it's harder than others.

Finding a compassionate doctor is the main priority though. Lot of these docs are strictly in it for the paycheck, have lost interest or become numb to people's problems over the years. No sense shelling out money to someone who could care less about helping you when that's the very function of their profession.

Good luck man, hopefully time or something will heal it.
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I wanna add my point here. Prostatitis makes me certainly uncomfortable in certain moments, as it has moments when everything seems fine and then suddenly pain comes. The burning and abdominal pain is the worst part of it. So one actually does not know when pain shall strike, but in my case it is after sitting on a chair.

Now, I am quite strong mentally and even excrutiating pain does not seem to influence my mental condition. This i think is key. Do not succumb to pain mentally !! I know its hard to say, but keeping your mind clear is key, otherwise you may end on antidepressants.

I did a second test of semen culture today. If it comes negative, then i dont have bacteria so it is abacterial. No need for other cipros, trims and nolicins or amoxicilins. Still abacterial prostatitis has the same symptoms !!!
But now comes the time when exercises, supplemnts and most importantly the right diet, shall take care of the symptoms. I will get mepatricin for 3 months as he adviced.
And also today i ordered coloidal silver water in two formats 20 ppm and 100 ppm (stronger). This guy, i posted a link previously, says coloidal silver water cured him within 14 days. Now, does anybody think this is realistic ? If so, why not give it a try ?

Keeping a mentally strong condition is vital !!! Dont be a jellyfish, as they dont live very long...lol
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Pain usually doesn't phase me either johnny. Usually I suck it up take a deep breath and hold on until it passes. But a gal bladder attack last several hours and it's unbearable, believe me you wouldn't know what to do with yourself. It literally feels like your stomach (or some internal organ inside) is going to explode. Key factor: it lasts a long time.

Key factor to my potentially prostatitis symptoms: it lasts a long time.

Stubbing my toe or cutting myself I know will only result in temporary pain, but when something persists all day everyday you cannot take your mind off it. I still go to school, and I still work out but I can't say it ever escapes my conscious when it's there all the time.
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Since everyone likes optimistic studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21849186

sounds like long term use of avodart (dutasteride) may relieve symptoms...
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Here's a whole host of studies to look at. Apparently there are some effective measures to alleviate symptoms:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21849186
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Surely, pain is unpleasant. Long term use of medicine such as the above one, may have adverse effects. I would not go that way on a long term basis.

Clear the infection first by all means, so culture is negative. Then commence with suppressing symptoms. (Giving a try to quercitin, mepatricin, and magnetotherapy is worth it). I am on my 1, 5 month of treatment with these and my symptoms are milder, I have to admit. It shall be a longer process, maybe 6 months or more, till symptoms dissapear completely. Patience and persistence is key.
One of the most extensive sudies on treatment methods on CP i found is here

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...4/?tool=pubmed
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I agree being on any drugs really sucks but sometimes it's needed. The post right before yours I put up has about 200 studies dealing with prostatitis, all randomized controlled studies on humans only. It makes mention of the effectiveness biofeedback+electrostimulation. Accupuncture's also mentioned. I would just like avodart because I think it controls the overactive bladder aspect of prostatitis. One of the most irritating symptoms if you ask me.

There's a lot of snake oil out there but I may give the colloidal silver water a try. Found a an 8 oz bottle of 30 ppm 99.999% silver with ozonated water for like 20 bucks. Good deal and will last 16 days. Supposedly long enough to "cure" this. We'll see...
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One 8 oz bottle isn't enough.

Depending on your condition, you would need a gallon or more..That is why you should buy your own colloidal silver generator for a couple hundred bucks, then all you need to buy is distilled water, which is cheap.

I don't understand how people can pay thousands of dollars to doctors who don't cure them, but instead prescribe antibiotics and steroids, that end up making the problem worse.

My advice to you and all your fellow prostate sufferers is to get yourself a good quality colloidal silver generator so that you can cure yourself and all your family members for years to come. There are a thousand uses for colloidal silver, and the big pharma companies know it, that is why they are pushing the government toward banning it just like any other good natural product that works... and they will succeed eventually because politician's votes are bought and sold every day.

98% of the people who suffer from prostate issues can be easily cured (or greatly helped) by simply changing to a phase one (candida) diet, and supplementing with natural antifungals such as colloidal silver, olive leaf extract, probiotics, and oil of oregano, while avoiding the things that make the problems worse, such as sugar, simple carbs, alcohol, antibiotics, fluoride, steroids, and advice from your average urologist.

This is where I bought my colloidal silver generator from a couple years ago, after much research:

https://www.silverlungs.com/
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According to Johny's link a few posts up the guy took 5 oz a day of 3ppm for 14 days and was cured. If I have 30 ppm and take .5 oz a day then it'll last 16 days which, if this effectively cured this guy, could effectively cure me.

You also have to watch out for claims of "miracle cures" too though pinball. There are a lot of politics in the pharmaceutical industry, but there's a lot of scammers out there too ready to pounce on the suffering and naive (not saying you're naive). I just figure for 20 bucks what the hell?

I'm also already on a diet similar to what you've mentioned. Low carb (under 20g a day), no sugar, just water, no alcohol.

Before I ever had prostate problems I became interested in having my own home water filtration system. I don't think I read much about a silver colloidal generator. Guess that's not really a filtration system though either. Anyhow I've been drinking from a dual filter (carbon block and kdf) system for 4 years now fwiw.
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