I just noticed one of my symptoms was gone, and that wads fever and chills after ejaculation. I have not had that one in a while, I tried to think back to when it stopped. I had it after trimethoprim, then thought hmmm what else did I take, then it hit me, Augmentin. The prostatitis that I have does indeed have a sensitivity to beta lactam drugs i.e cillin and cephalosporins.
I'm fixing to post a link, not only that do you people know why Iwillbecured is cured ? He did it right !!!!! That is why I willbecured is cured, he did it right.
I found this out last night after reading for hours on biofilm. The persister cells in biofilm are almost impossible to eradicate, even in laboratories.
So what did iwillbecured do ?? He found an antibiotic he was sensitive to and he kept taking it, he took the damn thing like for 6 months didn't he.
When you have persister cells in a biofilm infection, even if you manage to wipe the whole damn biofilm out, if you leave one persister cell alive, just one, it will multiple and rebuild the entire damn biofilm with newly formed resistant bacteria. This is why it is almost impossible to kill chronic prostatitis. But iwillbecured whether he knew it or not by taking an antibiotic sensitive to the bacteria for so long, he not only penetrated the biofilm layer, but because the course was so long he ended up killing the persister cells, which stopped the re multiplication of the infection. It is like killing cockroaches, If an exterminator leaves one roach alive it can respawn again and cause a reinfection. In other words the entire biofilm and persister cells must all be killed and if even one, one cell survives, my friend you will be worse off than when you began. because it will spawn a whole new more resistant bacteria even stronger than the last.
In other words you are fighting an enemy that becomes stronger after every battle with an antibiotic, growing stronger and stronger and STRONGER !!!!!!!!
This is why the doctors fail, by them giving you small amounts of antibiotics and not enough long term of the drug to kill the infection, it is just making the infection stronger. Like adding more fuel to the fire.
Riddle of Biofilm Resistance..... link below. if it won't let you click on link then copy and paste in your web browser.
I would say Harry that Iwillbecured mentions he responded very well to abx.I am not sure if any of us can say that abx has made a massive improvement.
You know as well as I do the only way out of this is death Ilovelife.
We can all get on here and type a bunch of bullsh*t to make each other feel good, but nobody is getting cured. Even the guy who replies to my comment and will say "Wrong I will be cured".... He will never be cured either.
The only lucky ones with this disease are the ones who have the balls to take their own life and be do with it The rest of us are nothing more than another statistic.
I have always believed in the positive outcome of things, so say i like looking at
the bright side of things.
In general, there is no reason to express definite statements such as " never" or
"u will not get cured" or other rather excessive and really depresive statements as it may lower morale of thy self.
I try to keep myself in a positive state of mind even though i may be in pain.
Now, have you tried really everything Harry Crumb beyond atbs ?
Have you been on cernilton, ion water and tumeric for say 3 months ?
Have you been consistent with your diet and streches ?
I must say, i try my best to be disciplined and the results i get are slow but very very
promising. For instance, in the last couple of 4 days, i had no real pain and felt very good
in like 89 per cent.
I surely do all of the above plus a high frequency magnetic resonance therapy ( 50 GHz),
and you bet I can feel the results.
If i get a consistent amount of say 20 days without symptoms, I shall write my report on
my way of dealing with this condition, hopefully my last report here.
I have always believed in the positive outcome of things, so say i like looking at
the bright side of things.
In general, there is no reason to express definite statements such as " never" or
"u will not get cured" or other rather excessive and really depresive statements as it may lower morale of thy self.
I try to keep myself in a positive state of mind even though i may be in pain.
Now, have you tried really everything Harry Crumb beyond atbs ?
Have you been on cernilton, ion water and tumeric for say 3 months ?
Have you been consistent with your diet and streches ?
I must say, i try my best to be disciplined and the results i get are slow but very very
promising. For instance, in the last couple of 4 days, i had no real pain and felt very good
in like 89 per cent.
I surely do all of the above plus a high frequency magnetic resonance therapy ( 50 GHz),
and you bet I can feel the results.
If i get a consistent amount of say 20 days without symptoms, I shall write my report on
my way of dealing with this condition, hopefully my last report here.
There are occasional people who say I am 80% cured , 90 percent cured, but they do not want to go into detail.
(( For instance, in the last couple of 4 days, i had no real pain and felt very good in like 89 per cent. ))
Johnny what are you cured from ? What were your symptoms before this began ? What are your symptoms now ? What symptoms have
improved ? Have any of the symptoms gone completely away or are they just weaker ? what are these stretches you are doing ? Has the cernilton, ion water and turmeric helped , or was it just the stretches ?
I have tried allimax , garlic pills, prosta response and a couple of others that I don't remember the names of, none of them did anything.
Well, I hope i will be among the lucky ones that will completely get cured.
My symptoms before:
- pain in the abdomen (lower stomach- quite disturbing and iching pain) - lasted whole day without break till noon.
- penile pain and stinging.
- burning pain in the abdomen.
- lowert back pain - half day.
- could not sit on a chair because of the pain in the abdomen, losing focus.
- mild symptoms of depression and exhaustion.
- woke up with lower abdomen pain for 4 months.
As i have written before, semen cultivation was positive for enterococus and klebsiela, both were causing my pain- bacterial prostatitis. After 1 month of atbs, semen cleared up but pain persisted.
Thats when i started with streches - joga pelvis streches. 2x day or when pain occured.
My proven regimen and i dont want to claim it should be universal or whatever but it seems that it will help me and already diminished substantially my problemes:
- TUMERIC POWDER : buy wholesale in health food stores. QUANTUM 3 teaspoons per day (morning, afternoon, evening) - mixed in water or milk. Drink it and cover it with plenty of water. THIS THING DOES MAGIC, believe me, if used for 2-3 months. I used it for 2 months. Initially did not feel any change for the first month, but in week 5 things starter to happen. Pain is almost zero, i feel like a healthy person again after so many months !! Hope that it lasts.. so I keep pumping TUMERIC powder in my body 3 times a day. Wow.
- CERNILTON - bought about 10 bottles - 3 capsules per day - clinically proven to work for non bacterial prostatitis. Plenty of reports of improved patients using it on the net. It helps a lot. I am still using it now.
- MAGNETIC RESONANCE THERAPY ( 50GHz) - bought the device cost me 400 euro. Applying it directly to scrotum and abdomen when pain occurs. Relieves pain in 10 mins like magic. Again i talk from my experience, so lets not make this a universal guide.
- ION WATER - have not started yet.
- Enterocucus homeopathic nosodes - receiving injections in a homeopathic clinic. This injections are doing its work.
- streches and kegel exercises - joga style- 2 times a day or when pain occurs. I do these to feel fit and good.
I like doing streches, why not... they also help relieve acute pain symptoms.
Now, regarding atbs - its all pharma business, and doctors prescribe atbs because they either have a stake in getting percentages and bonuses for the amount of atbs prescribed, or because they have not heard of any other "proven" pill to work.
NOW lets be clear - almost all clinical trials of ATBs (levo, cipro and DOXY or even the magic AVELOX) are being sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. They have put their money in clinical trials and even paid the doctors conducting these trials to prove the effectiveness of an ATB. In many, many cases as we can see, ATBS are proving not to work in prostatitis. It is all about money, it is a Big pharma business, where doctors act as Agents for the pharma companies to sell and increase the turnover of their ATBs.
Its all a turnover issues - the more atbs are prescribed by doctors, the bigger their bonus with plenty, really plenty of SIDE EFFECTS for the patients and thousands of patients dying from side effects.
Nothing against ATBS, they work well in ACUTE cases - acute bacterial prostatitis, or chronic baterial prostatitis. Usually when taken on the bases of culture their presription is at least proven. But once the culture is clear and the chronic infection persists, in a non bacterial manner, then their usage seems not to be efficient.
MY advice, all of the above (+ 4 mg of VITAMIN C) per day. Get rid of all the ATBs, stop it once and forever, throw away sugars, start a healthy diet, more vegetables. But most importantly - keep taking the TUMERIC, Cernilton and visit a homeopathic clinic.
I am serviously getting very well and shall put my reports in front of some urology clinics, so that we have some tangible and practical steps to fight against prostatitis and win in the end...
It is gonna be good in the end, especially when QUANTUM doses of Tumeric and Cernilton are taken for 2-3 months period. Personally i dont want to throw away any more money on any other dietary supplement (so dont buy Saw palmeto, prosta q ect..it is a waste of your money... Just keep to TUMERIC, CERNILTON, detoxicate your body from sugars, keep a regular healthy diet with some brocolli broth if you wish (this is my all time favourite) and keep a positive mind. Depression makes things worse, but these powerful healing products will cure us from prostatitis...and we shall show the way to other sufferers. Once the body balnces by its internal forces, it gets rid of bacteria quickly by itself naturally. Thats what i am talking about here.
Until a few years ago one could claim that only Wise-Anderson believed that most cases of chronic prostatitis were caused from pelvic floor dysfunction and not bacteria. This is not the case anymore and if you look in the online literature plenty of studies just converge to the same conclusion about pelvic floor being the main culprit.
Well, I hope i will be among the lucky ones that will completely get cured.
My symptoms before:
- pain in the abdomen (lower stomach- quite disturbing and iching pain) - lasted whole day without break till noon.
- penile pain and stinging.
- burning pain in the abdomen.
- lowert back pain - half day.
- could not sit on a chair because of the pain in the abdomen, losing focus.
- mild symptoms of depression and exhaustion.
- woke up with lower abdomen pain for 4 months.
As i have written before, semen cultivation was positive for enterococus and klebsiela, both were causing my pain- bacterial prostatitis. After 1 month of atbs, semen cleared up but pain persisted.
Thats when i started with streches - joga pelvis streches. 2x day or when pain occured.
My proven regimen and i dont want to claim it should be universal or whatever but it seems that it will help me and already diminished substantially my problemes:
- TUMERIC POWDER : buy wholesale in health food stores. QUANTUM 3 teaspoons per day (morning, afternoon, evening) - mixed in water or milk. Drink it and cover it with plenty of water. THIS THING DOES MAGIC, believe me, if used for 2-3 months. I used it for 2 months. Initially did not feel any change for the first month, but in week 5 things starter to happen. Pain is almost zero, i feel like a healthy person again after so many months !! Hope that it lasts.. so I keep pumping TUMERIC powder in my body 3 times a day. Wow.
- CERNILTON - bought about 10 bottles - 3 capsules per day - clinically proven to work for non bacterial prostatitis. Plenty of reports of improved patients using it on the net. It helps a lot. I am still using it now.
- MAGNETIC RESONANCE THERAPY ( 50GHz) - bought the device cost me 400 euro. Applying it directly to scrotum and abdomen when pain occurs. Relieves pain in 10 mins like magic. Again i talk from my experience, so lets not make this a universal guide.
- ION WATER - have not started yet.
- Enterocucus homeopathic nosodes - receiving injections in a homeopathic clinic. This injections are doing its work.
- streches and kegel exercises - joga style- 2 times a day or when pain occurs. I do these to feel fit and good.
I like doing streches, why not... they also help relieve acute pain symptoms.
Now, regarding atbs - its all pharma business, and doctors prescribe atbs because they either have a stake in getting percentages and bonuses for the amount of atbs prescribed, or because they have not heard of any other "proven" pill to work.
NOW lets be clear - almost all clinical trials of ATBs (levo, cipro and DOXY or even the magic AVELOX) are being sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. They have put their money in clinical trials and even paid the doctors conducting these trials to prove the effectiveness of an ATB. In many, many cases as we can see, ATBS are proving not to work in prostatitis. It is all about money, it is a Big pharma business, where doctors act as Agents for the pharma companies to sell and increase the turnover of their ATBs.
Its all a turnover issues - the more atbs are prescribed by doctors, the bigger their bonus with plenty, really plenty of SIDE EFFECTS for the patients and thousands of patients dying from side effects.
Nothing against ATBS, they work well in ACUTE cases - acute bacterial prostatitis, or chronic baterial prostatitis. Usually when taken on the bases of culture their presription is at least proven. But once the culture is clear and the chronic infection persists, in a non bacterial manner, then their usage seems not to be efficient.
MY advice, all of the above (+ 4 mg of VITAMIN C) per day. Get rid of all the ATBs, stop it once and forever, throw away sugars, start a healthy diet, more vegetables. But most importantly - keep taking the TUMERIC, Cernilton and visit a homeopathic clinic.
I am serviously getting very well and shall put my reports in front of some urology clinics, so that we have some tangible and practical steps to fight against prostatitis and win in the end...
It is gonna be good in the end, especially when QUANTUM doses of Tumeric and Cernilton are taken for 2-3 months period. Personally i dont want to throw away any more money on any other dietary supplement (so dont buy Saw palmeto, prosta q ect..it is a waste of your money... Just keep to TUMERIC, CERNILTON, detoxicate your body from sugars, keep a regular healthy diet with some brocolli broth if you wish (this is my all time favourite) and keep a positive mind. Depression makes things worse, but these powerful healing products will cure us from prostatitis...and we shall show the way to other sufferers. Once the body balnces by its internal forces, it gets rid of bacteria quickly by itself naturally. Thats what i am talking about here.
Good lluck Harry Crumb.
(( As i have written before, semen cultivation was positive for enterococus and klebsiela, both were causing my pain- bacterial prostatitis. After 1 month of atbs, semen cleared up but pain persisted. ))
In my opinion - Johnny I don't think you ever cleared your infection, all you did was clear the semen of klebsiella and enterococcus faecalis. The infection is still inside your prostate, the fact that the pain and symptoms persisted proves that. More than likely plankton bacteria broke free of the biofilm in your prostate and some moved into the semen, and of course being free floating plankton it would be easily killed by any old antibiotic.
The biofilm in the prostate prevents antibiotics from killing the true infection. Urologists do it this way, patient comes in has symptoms of low back pain, erectile dysfunction, pelvic pain, anal pain,testicle pain. Urologist finds an infection in the urinalysis, sends to lab, lab comes back antibiotics prescribed from sensitivity test. Patient comes back in 4 weeks later all his symptoms are the same minus the bladder infection. Urologist checks urine again no infection found, urologists announces the patient is cured. Patient goes home with all of his symptoms and still has the prostate infection. This is the oldest ploy in urology.
The same was done to you with the semen infection, not on purpose but more than likely doctor stupidity. Or of course the old "well you probably just have some inflammation that will cure its self up in 6 months"
Most don't kill a real prostate infection, it is way to strong. very few luck out like iwillbecured. By the way guys like Kite Surfer, just don't understand that the prostate lays behind the pelvic muscles and that is why pelvic pain is experienced. When prostate is removed the pelvic floor muscles are cut through by the surgeon to remove it. It's not the pelvic floor causing anyone pain, it is the prostate underneath the pelvic floor that flares up the pelvic muscles and causes pain. yet people deny that its the prostate , but it is a fact now that men with chronic prostatitis pelvic pain are cured when the prostate has been removed. Go look at all the countless men who had CPPP syndrome and no infection was ever found and yet prostate was removed and they were cured by Dr Krongrad. Most men failed antibiotics , pelvic floor therapy etc. Same guys that took all the drugs and going through what we are going through now some even suffering 20 years with same symptoms were cured with prostate removal.
As far as statistics go 90 - 95 percent of men with prostatitis no bacteria is ever found, and they are put into the chronic prostatitis pelvic pain category. That figure shows urologists/ doctors are getting something wrong, and their culture techniques are not cutting the mustard.
Go look at all the countless men who had CPPP syndrome and no infection was ever found and yet prostate was removed and they were cured by Dr Krongrad.
Had 3 prostate surgeries, probably thought like you that prostate removal will rid him of symptoms...well obviously it didn't.
Harry I told you this and I will say again. Your keep reading the site of the prostatectomy guru Krongrad and your few stories of people being cured from prostatectomy all come from there. What do you expect to read from someone who has based his business in removing prostates? Which countless men are you talking about? A few posts back you mentioned 4-5 names all taken from Krongrad's blog.
I WANNA ASK A SERIOUS QUESTION HERE. HENCE THE CAPS
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I TOOK A NEEDLE POURED SOME TAP WATER INTO IT, MIXED WITH SOME ANTIBIOTIC PILL AND INJECTED MYSELF WITH IT. EXAMPLE: A CAPSULE WHICH ALREADY HAS PILL GROUNDED UP GOOD IN IT AND COULD POUR OUT CONTENTS INTO THE SYRINGE
WOULD THIS KILL ME ? I FIGURE IF INJECTION IS BETTER THAN ORAL WHY NOT TRY THIS AND INJECT SOME ANTIBIOTICS INTO SAY MY A$$ CHEEK OR LOW BACK
I ALSO THOUGHT HOW DRUG ADDICTS INJECT METH INTO THE VEINS OF THEIR ARMS. AND METH IS MADE FROM STUFF LIKE EPHEDRINE , DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT THINNER ETC. I FIGURE IF PEOPLE CAN INJECT THAT CRAP AND LIVE JUST FINE, I SHOULD BE OKAY TO INJECT WATER AND PILL POWDER IN MY REAR CHEEK OR ALONG THOSE LINES.
AGAIN THOUGHTS ? DO YOU THINK IT COULD KILL ME ? CAUSE SIDE EFFECTS ETC ?
I WANNA ASK A SERIOUS QUESTION HERE. HENCE THE CAPS
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I TOOK A NEEDLE POURED SOME TAP WATER INTO IT, MIXED WITH SOME ANTIBIOTIC PILL AND INJECTED MYSELF WITH IT. EXAMPLE: A CAPSULE WHICH ALREADY HAS PILL GROUNDED UP GOOD IN IT AND COULD POUR OUT CONTENTS INTO THE SYRINGE
WOULD THIS KILL ME ? I FIGURE IF INJECTION IS BETTER THAN ORAL WHY NOT TRY THIS AND INJECT SOME ANTIBIOTICS INTO SAY MY A$$ CHEEK OR LOW BACK
I ALSO THOUGHT HOW DRUG ADDICTS INJECT METH INTO THE VEINS OF THEIR ARMS. AND METH IS MADE FROM STUFF LIKE EPHEDRINE , DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT THINNER ETC. I FIGURE IF PEOPLE CAN INJECT THAT CRAP AND LIVE JUST FINE, I SHOULD BE OKAY TO INJECT WATER AND PILL POWDER IN MY REAR CHEEK OR ALONG THOSE LINES.
AGAIN THOUGHTS ? DO YOU THINK IT COULD KILL ME ? CAUSE SIDE EFFECTS ETC ?
This is a bad idea, but then you already know that.
Try taking a good probiotic instead.
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I feel bad that people keep pumping themselves with antibiotics. Bacterial prostatits is like 10%
Listen to pinball. Take the blinders off. If 1 out of 10 people post that antibiotics worked the other 9 think it will work. Look closely at your doctors face. It is not even a good poker face I bet. They are clueless and hand out antibiotics. Times are changing start googling fungal prostatitis.
I feel bad that people keep pumping themselves with antibiotics. Bacterial prostatits is like 10%
Listen to pinball. Take the blinders off. If 1 out of 10 people post that antibiotics worked the other 9 think it will work. Look closely at your doctors face. It is not even a good poker face I bet. They are clueless and hand out antibiotics. Times are changing start googling fungal prostatitis.
Good luck
I know, but that's about all we can do is pump our selves full of drugs. Because that is how desperate we are. I have took diflucan for fungal infection it just made pain worse. probiotics never helped me at all, they had no effect.
Also where is the proof that all of our prostatitis is caused by fungal infection ? In fact we can add this theory in with every body's prostatitis is caused by pelvic muscles.
Hey can I make one up to....every bodys prostatitis is caused by the smallness of their butt holes. If we all had bigger butt holes we wouldn't have prostatitis. Anybody know where we can get some butt hole stretchers at ?
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